Byakko... HM or EX ?

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

They do that, then I guarantee you'll be back here in a few months complaining how Byakko Nightmare is too easy, and we need a fourth difficulty tier. It never really ends.

Well, the only way it would is if they made it so hard you legitimately could not beat it. Because once you do, and get it on farm, it starts being easy again. Easy enough to run with all tanks, easy enough to run with 7 people to sell runs, etc.

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I can know a fight inside and out yet still consider it challenging based on my own standards. Cruise Chase remained challenging despite being significantly easier than say, Brute Justice. He didn't abruptly become braindead after I cleared it a handful of times. Beating a fight doesn't make the fight itself objectively easy. You keep attempting to make this correlation and it simply doesn't exist.

No one complained Nidhogg was "too easy." Why is it every single time someone complains how easy the game has become, you immediately rush to extreme examples? With a competent party, Byakko rolls over. Unfortunately, competency is asking a lot in PF.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I'm 100% sure the strategy was intentional. It would have been trivial for them to make it such that the tiger would just flat out wipe you, regardless of tank LB, if you ignored it. They do this sort of thing in countless other fights in the game. They actively chose not to here.

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I guarantee you it wasn't. They simply don't adapt to our cheese strats. This same thing happened with Zurvan, thus creating the ever beloved "Skip Soar or disband" memes. The dev team has difficulty with the NA/EU mindset. JP does the mechanics almost as a show of respect. NA/EU only care about getting through the fight the fastest way possible. If we can break a fight, we're going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

You bring up Titan EX - may I ask you about Shinryu, bot EX and NM? Because thats the more recent primal here and you know what? People complained that that one was to difficult - and certainly not killed by a PUG-group within 40 minutes. So... have you killed that one as easly?

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They complained it was too hard due to '' too many mechanics''

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.If it wasnt for this factor i guarantee that most clear parties would be still seeing enrages.
Would be interesting to see if they made that phase instant wipe you regardless of tank lb.I guarantee most would be on forums crying and saying it was too hard.

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I survived the tank LB dog with 4x vuln stacks with crafted chest being the only 350 left side and no VIT melds. Only AST shield on me as far as I noticed. At least make the Vuln stacks mean something.

Use the party finder more. You just got lucky. I keep getting people dropping puddles wherever they feel, stacking in the wrong area and melees testing my heals with as many vulnerability stacks as they can.

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I guarantee you it wasn't. They simply don't adapt to our cheese strats.

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If you still somehow think fights are designed without the possibility of tank LBs in mind, even after Alexander, then I don't know what to tell you.

Anyone here got a really cheap bridge to sell?

If you are talking about the second dog, then yes the tank lb is a cheese strat its honestly pretty obvious to see it not being the intended way of doing it. After the first lunar dynamo dps can walk to the tiger to begin hitting him and even not keeping the extra uptime its still doable. People just prefer to tank lb cause either its too stressful for them or they rather just skip some mechs if they can which has been pointed out already.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I can know a fight inside and out yet still certain it challenging based on my own standards.

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What extreme example? People are comparing Byakko ex to zurvan, and people were quite adamant about how easy Zurvan was, and how all you needed to do to skip soar was just know how to do a normal opener. There's a tendency for this playerbase to assume a lot of stuff in this game really is easy, and it's just the player's fault they don't complete it. The only time it was otherwise was alex 1-8 savage + thordan, which was generally hard enough that people couldn't say this, and many people couldn't clear at all.

So if they raise difficulty, either in time it gets the same treatment or it gets so hard that he won't say it's easy because he can't beat it or find the people to farm it. I mean, you are using the last fight in arguably the second hardest raid tier in this game as a good model of difficulty is pretty extreme in itself, isn't it?

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If you are talking about the second dog, then yes the tank lb is a cheese strat its honestly pretty obvious to see it not being the intended way of doing it.

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Looks fairly intended to me, otherwise the tiger could have easily just been made to wipe the party outright if it was ignored. They didn't.

They aren't shy about putting "do what we want you to, or die" mechanics in this game, and they avoided doing so here. Doesn't that tell you something?

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Originally Posted by Bernkastelx

If you are talking about the second dog, then yes the tank lb is a cheese strat its honestly pretty obvious to see it not being the intended way of doing it. After the first lunar dynamo dps can walk to the tiger to begin hitting him and even not keeping the extra uptime its still doable. People just prefer to tank lb cause either its too stressful for them or they rather just skip some mechs if they can which has been pointed out already.

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People use the tank lb because most of them arent good enough or geared enough to make the dps checks without it.While i welcome tank lb being used in fights.I dont think it should be used like this case as a crutch to carry people not really capable of the clear.

What strikes me with the different groups I had for farming this fight, is how unable players are to deviate from their A this role, B this role, C this role.
It may sounds a bit silly but when you look deeper into the problem, lies a biggest trouble of players being unable to adapt to change, hence a lot of lower skill players.
It is like if dps are no more C, they wont be able to do mechanics anymore.
On one of my tries, one player disconnected during the transition phase, so we lost lb 3. When the tiger spawned for the 2d time, all the others ones stuck to the LB tank strat...
Despite the fact that I advertised them : we have a deco, we won't have the lb for the tiger phase, you will need to focus it, they still stayed on the boss...
I think the lack of reactivity the reason why so much fights are perceived as difficult when they are not.