Isn't it about time for WHM to get an AOE mitigation tool?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Because the only thing a baiting hypothetical should get is an unpopular fact.

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hypothetical? 2 DRKs and 2 WHMs is a very real possibility in duty finder content due to the low number of healer and tank choices. Yes they can clear content, but as has been pointed out that's a very low bar to set, when the alternative of being paired with a pld, war, sch and ast for divine veil, shake it off, passage of arms, spread bole, collective unconscious, sacred soil and succor creates such a huge difference in party wide mitigation over just being able to clear the content.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Yes yes I know. "But WHM is the RAW healer".

Damage is getting stronger and stronger with each patch. Shinryu is quite literally impossible without loads of help from the tanks, the 24man raid even do ridiculous damage without mitigation.

It's to the point where tanks are mitigating the party more than we are, which is actually pretty sad. A warrior mitigating the party .

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I 100 percent agree with this

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I understand that. The mitigation comes from the tanks and other healer, assuming the other healer is a SCH or AST. WHM's have always had very limited ability in the way of mitigating damage, and reduced further with the loss of stoneskin. It's pretty clear to me the devs don't want this job to revolve around damage mitigation.

WHM is in an iffy place right now. Giving them AoE dmg mitigation, or the ability to increase raid damage and it will instantly leapfrog over the other two healers, perpetuating the teeter-totter effect we currently have with the healers. I don't think WHM needs AoE mitigation, or raid utility. I think they need something unique that is favorable.

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I am in agreement, Gemina. It seems to me SE intends for white mages to use their HoTs and AoE heals when dealing with raid wide damage. Philosophically, rather than the devs adding a whole new ability, I'd love to see Sanctuary buffed instead.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

I am in agreement, Gemina. It seems to me SE intends for white mages to use their HoTs and AoE heals when dealing with raid wide damage. Philosophically, rather than the devs adding a whole new ability, I'd love to see Sanctuary buffed instead.

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I should backtrack a bit. I didn't mean they don't need any raid utility, I meant they don't need the ability to increase raid damage. There are already so many jobs with this capability, which includes two of three healers. I feel giving this utility to yet another job to be lazy and lack of creativity.

I like your idea of buffing sanctuary, and I'm pretty much on board for anything a little outside the box.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Because the only thing a baiting hypothetical should get is an unpopular fact.

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I really would like to see the video of people in average Ilv gear with two DRKs and two WHMs survive Shinryu's second phase.


Also to all the people saying WHM needs a raid utility buff, I do completely agree. It shouldn't be damage though, we have so much AOE DPS utility that it's starting to seem like a lazy balancing tactic at this point.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I really would like to see the video of people in average Ilv gear with two DRKs and two WHMs survive Shinryu's second phase.


Also to all the people saying WHM needs a raid utility buff, I do completely agree. It shouldn't be damage though, we have so much AOE DPS utility that it's starting to seem like a lazy balancing tactic at this point.

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Without a partywide damage buff WHM will never hold up outside of progression. No matter how strong their personal DPS may be they aren't making up for losing even 20% Balance uptime on 4 actual DPS.

Giving them more defensive options when they already have amazing AoE healing and sustainability is icing on top of the icing already on the cake. I can't believe this is even still a discussion but healing has a hard cap of keeping everyone alive and WHMs are already there.

People keep bringing up double WHM parties being at a disadvantage but SE has certainly made it clear at this point they are trying to force party diversity. I'm not saying that it's right just because the devs seem to be behind it but I am saying that the main argument I'm seeing for this mitigation tool is the lack of it in double WHM parties. The answer? Don't form a double WHM party when you know it will be an issue.

I don't understand this disconnect. Two of the 3 healers have partywide utility, balance would mean the third needs it too. Or they can buff WHM DPS potency to compensate, I would love to be throwing out 20k Stone IV's.

I'd love WHM stoneskin to come back, as a job ability not a role ability.

They weren't meant to mitigate because there are AST and SCH which are meant to fill the mitigation role(AST is versatile). WHM is also your safety healer, it has great steady throughput in which the other 2 healers don't even hold a candle to to Cure 3. Also if another part of your team is able to offer mitigation and you don't have a mitigation healer then take advantage of it, I've done a Double WHM Shinryu farm and used Divine Veil/Shrug it off during Diamond Dust and Comets from the tanks in there. I didn't feel like we were gibbed just because we didn't have mitigation in our toolkit I just made use of what I had available, that kinda what you gotta do as a team, cover each others weaknesses.

Sure as long as scholar can get a spell based non CD aoe regen like whm and ast

Oh, or a non CD spell base pure aoe heal, like whm and ast

Ooh ooh, or a ability that does both aoe healing and damage like whm and ast

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Sure as long as scholar can get a spell based non CD aoe regen like whm and ast

Oh, or a non CD spell base pure aoe heal, like whm and ast

Ooh ooh, or a ability that does both aoe healing and damage like whm and ast

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You have a regen, it's called whispering dawn, you have a healing power tool it's called fey illumination. They may not be as effective as WHM or ASTs tools but you have them.

WHM can't say the same. It has no mitigation tools, nothing to compensate for the lack of a SCH or AST, if they just got stoneskin 2 back as an exclusive, usable in combat, party mitigation tool that would be enough. It wouldn't be as effective as having a SCH or AST but it would be something.