FFXIV Servers, are needed ?

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11-13-2011, 10:58 PM
Soukyuu

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Originally Posted by Sav

I don't understand why you expect the US to be different from Europe. If you're basing this solely on physical distance from Japan, they're practically the same, depending on where you are in either continent. Distance, as others have said, has little to nothing to do with it.

That's because there are many providers who route the signal from the EU to US and THEN to Japan. So yeah, we do have a higher latency than US people.

It's especially frustrating when you hear people talk about #10 chains when yours cut off at #4 because it takes the server up to 10 seconds to register a chain on a laggy day.
11-14-2011, 12:36 AM
Delsus

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

That's because there are many providers who route the signal from the EU to US and THEN to Japan. So yeah, we do have a higher latency than US people.

It's especially frustrating when you hear people talk about #10 chains when yours cut off at #4 because it takes the server up to 10 seconds to register a chain on a laggy day.

Which ever way they route teh data round the world ppl in EU have a higher ping because we are further away from the servers than anywhere else
11-14-2011, 01:32 AM
Fear

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Originally Posted by Delsus

The acceptable ping for a MMO client to a server is about 0.1 sec, which we can get to Japan easily, the problem is SE's servers run slow and thier internal network doesnt seem efficiant the 2.0 servers will fix the problem even if they are in Japan.

Sorry but i live in the UK and the lowest ping I get to Japan is around 0.27 to 0.33 seconds so Euorpe > Japan would not get a 100ms or below.
11-14-2011, 02:41 AM
Ilean

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Originally Posted by Delsus

The acceptable ping for a MMO client to a server is about 0.1 sec, which we can get to Japan easily, the problem is SE's servers run slow and thier internal network doesnt seem efficiant the 2.0 servers will fix the problem even if they are in Japan.

No way the average player this side of the world can get 100ms ping to Japan. For reference: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Network-Delay
11-14-2011, 03:38 AM
Delsus

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Originally Posted by Fear

Sorry but i live in the UK and the lowest ping I get to Japan is around 0.27 to 0.33 seconds so Euorpe > Japan would not get a 100ms or below.

Are they to networks that have servers that need to transmit live data, or just web servers which can cope with a lower ping?

MMOs NEED to have a low ping or we get the problems we have in the ifrit fight, admittedly I should have used the range 0.1s to about 0.3, but 0.3 is pushing it.

because MMOs need PC position and enemy attacks on the server and the client at almost the same time they need very low pings, whereas web servers can have higher pings because the data is static and you dont have about 1 sec to react to things, also how many pings did you send?

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Originally Posted by Ilean

No way the average player this side of the world can get 100ms ping to Japan. For reference: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Network-Delay

That is the pings people are getting TO THE ALREADY BROKEN SERVERS SE put that up because they know there is a problem and want to fix it, it bears no referance to what is acceptable or possible only what people are getting across SE's already broken network. The numbers in that post are so SE can see if the problem is widespread and fix it.

I did a speed test to a server in Japan probably to a webserver (low ping across the network not needed) and got a 463ms ping, on my 3g connection so with a 50Mb connection and decent servers on SE's end NA can get 0.1s JP and EU can get about 0.2s to the servers that need a low ping.
11-14-2011, 04:00 AM
Ilean

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Originally Posted by Delsus

That is the pings people are getting TO THE ALREADY BROKEN SERVERS SE put that up because they know there is a problem and want to fix it

I can see why your lack of experience with networks would get you confused. If you go take a look at the tracerts in the thread I referenced you will see that the big ping "jump" occurs when we move from a US network to a JP one and that's several hops before it enters SE.

In other words, the biggest latency source comes from crossing the ocean and has nothing to do with SE's server's hardware or software.

Not that I doubt that their current server (hard and soft) is screwed up and the biggest cause of the problem, it's just that the notion that the average user this side can get < 200ms ping to Japan is uninformed and stupid.
11-14-2011, 04:07 AM
Delsus

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Originally Posted by Ilean

I can see why your lack of experience with networks would get you confused. If you go take a look at the tracerts in the thread I referenced you will see that the big ping "jump" occurs when we move from a US network to a JP one and that's several hops before it enters SE.

In other words, the biggest latency source comes from crossing the ocean and has nothing to do with SE's server's hardware or software.

Not that I doubt that their current server (hard and soft) is screwed up and the biggest cause of the problem, it's just that the notion that the average user this side can get < 200ms ping to Japan is uninformed and stupid.

Imma give up then because the I have played other jp MMOs and and there isnt this problem, and I do know about networks and I do know getting across the sea takes longer but if you really think its not SEs problem keep playing on these broken servers if you want

You are failing to understand what I am trying to say, and in that thread there are 150ish ms ping across the ocean. so guess what it is possible, you just fail to read
11-14-2011, 04:16 AM
Ilean

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Imma give up then because the I have played other jp MMOs and and there isnt this problem, and I do know about networks and I do know getting across the sea takes longer but if you really think its not SEs problem keep playing on these broken servers if you want

Feel free to provide technical data that supports your claims.

And I never said SE's servers aren't part of the problem. Just that when it comes to network latency you don't know what you are talking about.
11-14-2011, 04:34 AM
Delsus

Its nothing to do with SE is it, check this trace from the feeback thread

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1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 8 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.4.127.254
3 333 ms 123 ms 53 ms 10.137.196.145
4 14 ms 9 ms 11 ms 10.255.49.94
5 874 ms 142 ms 9 ms te2-8.ccr01.opo01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.32.17]
6 13 ms 13 ms 16 ms te7-1.ccr01.vgo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.138]
7 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms te4-8.ccr01.bio01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.37.49]
8 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms te2-2.ccr01.bod01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.82]
9 36 ms 38 ms 35 ms te0-0-0-1.mpd22.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.226]
10 108 ms 109 ms 109 ms te0-6-0-2.mpd22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.46.105]
11 114 ms 115 ms 114 ms te0-3-0-6.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.41.29]
12 160 ms 154 ms 145 ms te0-2-0-3.mpd22.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.101]
13 145 ms 144 ms 145 ms te0-3-0-2.mpd22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.246]
14 194 ms 176 ms 175 ms te0-0-0-3.mpd22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.45.6]
15 179 ms 179 ms 183 ms te9-1.ccr02.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.44.130]
16 181 ms 181 ms 180 ms 38.104.84.42
17 289 ms 289 ms * gi11-0-0.cr1.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.61.170]
18 289 ms 291 ms 290 ms gi1-0-0.gw1.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.178]
19 295 ms 295 ms 298 ms squareco.asianetcom.net [203.192.149.210]
20 316 ms 310 ms 683 ms 61.195.56.129
21 310 ms 298 ms 307 ms 219.117.144.2
22 296 ms 296 ms 297 ms 219.117.146.149
23 306 ms 308 ms 308 ms 219.117.146.129
24 310 ms 308 ms 307 ms 219.117.146.46
25 447 ms 416 ms 317 ms 202.67.52.81

Now I know it is only one but it breaks your thorey apart you will see yes it jumps when it gets to Japan to a min of 109ms, but then ir gets to SE's ISP and it jumps 100ms, then it gets to the on to SE's network and jumps to 683ms, i'm sure there will be more traces like this which show there is something at SE's end.
11-14-2011, 04:45 AM
Ilean

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Its nothing to do with SE is it, check this trace from the feeback thread

Now I know it is only one but it breaks your thorey apart you will see yes it jumps when it gets to Japan to a min of 109ms, but then ir gets to SE's ISP and it jumps 100ms, then it gets to the on to SE's network and jumps to 683ms, i'm sure there will be more traces like this which show there is something at SE's end.

Might want to learn how to read a tracert:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/98073

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