Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

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I want to transfer to your server, just to hug you right now, lol. Thank you for getting that I'm asking peoples opinions, not complaining.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

At 800 CRIT, Adlo's shield on average is about 8% higher than their AST counterpart. When it does CRIT, SCH shields is about 76.47% more potent than AST shields.

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Adlo shield gets doubled after the crit is figured in, so if adlo has a bigger shield, then a crit adlo will have more than twice the shield.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

So, basically this is a thread about the fact that Noc Ast has literally one single advantage over Scholar, so OP is asking for a buff to Adlo to take away that one advantage.

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I wouldn't short change Noct AST that much, there are a few situations where Noct AST will excel over a SCH and vice versa. Overall SCH is better but saying "Single advantage" is doing Noct AST a total disservice.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I want to transfer to your server, just to hug you right now, lol. Thank you for getting that I'm asking peoples opinions, not complaining.

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lol, digital hugs acceptable =p *Pets da Lala*

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Adlo shield gets doubled after the crit is figured in, so if adlo has a bigger shield, then a crit adlo will have more than twice the shield.

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I'm not sure I understand your comment. I am factoring in the double shield effect after Crit and Crit potency multiplier unless there's something wrong with my formula that I'm not seeing.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I'm not sure I understand your comment. I am factoring in the double shield effect after Crit and Crit potency multiplier unless there's something wrong with my formula that I'm not seeing.

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The phrasing just didn't register properly with me, I compared it with the scratch pad and it makes sense now.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I wouldn't short change Noct AST that much, there are a few situations where Noct AST will excel over a SCH and vice versa. Overall SCH is better but saying "Single advantage" is doing Noct AST a total disservice.

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Please keep in mind when I say this, that I'm in no way being snarky or sarcastic. But, what other advantages do you feel they have? The only one I can think of is spammable Helios in fights where there is a lot of AOE damage going out consistently. But, normally those situations only happen in Alex or Extreme Primals where you usually have a co-healer.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I didn't forget the pet, the pet was just irrelevant to the skills I was comparing. And Nocturnal Sect doesn't suck, it just has a bad rap from its past incarnation.

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The pet is not irrelevant. You need to really compare adlo+embrace vs N.A.Ben. Also adlo can be interacted with via deployment tactics. Nothing interacts with N.A.Ben in an AST toolkit in any way thats beneficial (healing boosts aside).

I think adlo is fine. A deployed adlo is filthy. A emergency tactics crit adlo (they sometimes happen......sometimes) is super filthy. A deployed crit adlo is just OMG \o/.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

lol, digital hugs acceptable =p *Pets da Lala*

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I am aware what others are saying, they just seem to be missing what I am saying. LDR, the first person to respond answered my inquiry. Mostly everyone else, just had to point out what I didn't take into account, which if my question was read correctly, people would of got that that I didn't take those things into account because they weren't needed. I mean come on, the FIRST person to respond got it on the nose, why couldn't everyone else.

Oh... erm... I mean, I'm done, maybe...

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You were discussing the comparative values of MP cost when excluding the other aspects of MP usage and MP regen attributed between the 3 which applies to the overall class balance. I understood your post fine. You also just ignored the fact that Adlo is significantly better than AST aspected benefic due to CRITs (not to mention, ok I am mentioning it, deployment)

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

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The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

I think this is a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Your suggestion was to lower MP costs, but MP isn't even a problem for Scholars. And the crit thing is just your personal luck, I find that my crit rate is pretty high. I agree with the dude who said we need to hush about Adlo, that's one move we definitely don't want the devs to re-evaluate.

But really Scholar has been in a good place for a long time now. We're certainly not lacking in instant cast spells and easily retain the best MP regen out of the healers. AST changes are tricky cause of the sects, but if any healer role does need an update I think it's WHM. It doesn't bring the utility that a SCH/AST combo can provide, especially if they make the mind bonus universal too.