Diadem Leeches

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Why is it leeching because someone wants to gather there? There are new gathering nodes there for a reason. Why is it required you go there and help fight. If someone wants to go and gather the whole time who are you to tell them they cant?

Leeching would be going in and just going afk while still rolling on all loot. Which is what's coming next as soon as these types of players find out they can. Then your going to have much bigger problems in there than someone gathering as intended.

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Because they're rolling on loot they didn't work for, while also getting loot of their own that they're likely not going to share with the rest of the party?

If they want to go there and gather the whole time they can create a preformed party of 8 gatherers rather than being useless and benefiting from the other 7 people actually working towards a common goal.

I made a list of suggestion in another thread, but bottom line:

1. Split into Diadem DW+M and Diadem Gathering, each with their own objectives. You choose which activities are more to your liking.
2. Keep the fluidity of changing into all jobs only for FC airship expedition.
3. Change the ability of looting items from chests, only if you have contributed to the fight to a certain degree. This can be done, Final Fantasy XI have done this with their Reive activity, they can copy that.
4. Revised the penalty, so if you leave anytime before your 90 minutes is up, you only get hit with 30 minutes penalty, same as if you stay for the full 90 minutes duration.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I would consider it leeching on the simple fact they refused to help when asked, and still rolled on loot, despite not being willing to help earn said loot.

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To be fair, the other person really has no obligation to help out. If they entered with the sole purpose of gathering, then I don't see why they can't just do that. It's not like they can enter the Diadem without some sort of party.

If you don't want people to do their own thing, form your own party

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

To be fair, the other person really has no obligation to help out. If they entered with the sole purpose of gathering, then I don't see why they can't just do that. It's not like they can enter the Diadem without some sort of party.

If you don't want people to do their own thing, form your own party

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The main problem (as stated) is that they can roll on loot despite not contributing to the combat aspect... at all. It's not like other party members get a share of the materials you've gathered as a DoL.

I just hit 60. Am I mistaken that I need to be item level 179 before even being allowed into Diadem? If I join a premade to I bypass the item level requirement? Would this be the fastest way to move upwards in the game at this point?

Sounds like the entire mode is ripe for leechers? Won't this theoretically get worse?

When reading the arguments from people who defend or attempt to justify things like leeching, or other rude/ignorant behavior in these games, I'm reminded of the joke: "How do you know if someone's a Vegetarian? Don't worry, they'll tell you".

It's also kind of like the Streisand Effect.

You can always tell which people likely engage in the debated behavior themselves, by how eagerly and adamantly they defend it.

Reminds me of the pages long debates I'd see about botting or gold-buying in other games. The people who engaged in those things always made themselves obvious by how strongly they defended the behavior, and/or attempted to silence any criticism of it.

The gathered items should be rolled on as well to make things fair. Gatherers can roll on gear that fighters worked for, so battlers should be able to roll on anything gatherers dig up. Loot rules for mats could be Greed Only or Loot Master depending on the setting.

However I wouldn't call someone a leech when they didn't afk. They were doing an activity which was intended to be done in the instance. SE needs to have a look at the loot rules, that's all.

And once again SE assumes all the best with implementing something, hoping it won't be abused - only for it to be abused right from the start. I don't know why they keep doing this, it's become evident time and time again that players can't be trusted in this way... :/

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The gathered items should be rolled on as well to make things fair. Gatherers can roll on gear that fighters worked for, so battlers should be able to roll on anything gatherers dig up. Loot rules for mats could be Greed Only or Loot Master depending on the setting. However I wouldn't call someone a leech when they didn't afk. They were doing an activity which was intended to be done in the instance. SE needs to have a look at the loot rules, that's all.

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Or SE can revised the category of Diadem. Diadem DW+M need 8 people, basically the set up we have now. Diadem Gathering just need 4 people, they cannot change jobs to DW+M (and vice versa if you do the Diadem for DW+M). This way, each group can do their own thing to their liking, and still get to meet their objectives and get their esoteric. However, if you want the gears, you MUST go do the Diadem DW+M. Fair is fair.