Please release nest Normal and Savage raids at the same time.

*raises an eyebrow*

What concrete evidence do we have right now that SE's netting a loss directly because of the release schedule of Savage? This is highly presumptuous.

If there is a decline in activity in the game, (again, we need hard evidence before making claims) there are multiple factors that can contribute to it. I would speculate that is has more to do with the long turn-around time on the development cycle this time than the release schedule of Savage.

People are just bored and are looking for reasons to complain about things at this point.

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

Make raid-level gear available only through tomes and raiding, gets blasted for not easing up on access to better gear to help ilvl gating.

Give people a choice to do content for gear to help supplement raid-level tome gear to help with raiding, gets blasted for "making it boring".

SE can never please everyone.

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Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted. :)
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode (so spamming normal mode before even doing it really doesn't help), A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted. :)
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode, A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

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That may have to do more with the Raids themselves and the fact that they require heavy scheduling formatting. It seems people got a taste of what casually raiding is like, and prefer it to hardcore raiding.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

That may have to do more with the Raids themselves and the fact that they require heavy scheduling formatting. It seems people got a taste of what casually raiding is like, and prefer it to hardcore raiding.

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I don't know but most reasons I hear from people (they have usually done coil in 2.X) are "the fight is too boring" or "this is nothing like coil, coil felt new".
For me personally the finding people all the time is worse than the whole fight. :D

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted. :)
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode (so spamming normal mode before even doing it really doesn't help), A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

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They don't force you to do the content, you do it yourself, if it's not fun, do other things, people act like FFXIV is the only game ever to exist ever in the world and there aren't any other options other than twiddling thumbs and that's just silly.

You don't have to play the game all the time all the time all the time and yet that's how these people act, they get bored doing the same thing over and over, of course it's natural anyone would get bored, guess what, step back, do something else, play another game, buy an indie game, go out, play a sport, do something else, watch netflix, go to the movies, do something else other than have this weird obligation that you are being forced to play this content you are clearly bored with.

It's not on SE to say "Hey you should stop playing this content after 20 times if you get bored" it's your own responsibility to realize, hey I'm not really in the mood to do this maybe I should do something else.

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Originally Posted by Airget

They don't force you to do the content, you do it yourself, if it's not fun, do other things, people act like FFXIV is the only game ever to exist ever in the world and there aren't any other options other than twiddling thumbs and that's just silly.

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If you wanted to do Savage when it came out, you had to do normal. So yes, if you wanted to do Savage, you were forced. Doesn't matter how you call it.

EDIT: I meant that you had to farm it to be geared.

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I don't know but most reasons I hear from people (they have usually done coil in 2.X) are "the fight is too boring" or "this is nothing like coil, coil felt new".
For me personally the finding people all the time is worse than the whole fight. :D

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This is also an excuse people use in WoW and they have three difficulties with Mythic one week after the other and a story mode (LFR) but it's usually because people get stuck in progression or people aren't the number one dps they used to be.

If you had progress on a reasonable schedule then I'd bet your raiders would not leave. Currently you are hitting a brick wall and the less dedicated of you have just decided to give up rather than try and find a way to do it.

Your response is to essentially lower the recommended ilevel and nerf it that way making it easier for the people who left.

I stand by and you have proven my initial point.

PS, Coil was the first raid, maybe even the first raid for some players and they'll never get that feeling back, ever.

That still relates to the actual raid itself, not the release formatting. Perhaps the fights themselves were not as engaging. Bahamut had the advantage of 1.0's legacy supporting it and a storyline that heavily attracted people.

Also, dragons. Fighting dragons never gets boring for some strange reason (personal opinion).

Honestly, I feel it's the lack of variability within this content that causes it to wear out quickly. I have ideas on how to make it engaging for the players and make the content longer-lasting... but it would be a lot of work for the developers to pull of so I'm not sure how feasible it is.

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Originally Posted by Airget

buy an indie game.

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I'd rather re download defiance than play a crappy cellphone game on my next generation console lol

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Honestly, I feel it's the lack of variability within this content that causes it to wear out quickly. I have ideas on how to make it engaging for the players and make the content longer-lasting... but it would be a lot of work for the developers to pull of so I'm not sure how feasible it is.

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What idea is that? Mind telling me?