Please Remove or Repurpose Parry

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Originally Posted by Donjo

The content doesn't matter. As long as Parry fails to increase damage to the extent one of the other secondaries can, Tanks will always avoid it. Unless, of course, something is changed to make it explicitly necessary to survive encounters. This is why I name the community. It has evolved to a point where DPS is valued above everything else, because even if it isn't necessary for a DPS check it'll still get the job done faster. Therefore, making Parry a better Defensive Stat will not help things one bit.

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The community didn't make parry a worthless stat, the devs did. Can't blame the community for adapting to what they're given.

Dont know if its been posted yet but for the longest time ive been hoping they would drop parry and swap it over to VIT. Change tank accessories to be tank specific with STR mainstat, and VIT a secondary. Bassically how healer accessories work with MND and Peity.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

The community didn't make parry a worthless stat, the devs did. Can't blame the community for adapting to what they're given.

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Parry's worth as a defensive stat is not relevant. The fact that it is not an offensive stat is what matters. Even if it made Tanks literally invincible at some threshold, the majority of Tanks would still try to get away without it because it doesn't increase damage.

What I'm saying here is that the player focus on DPS we're currently experiencing would have still occurred even if Parry was a very effective defensive stat in 2.X or if DPS checks never became overbearing in raids.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Parry's worth as a defensive stat is not relevant. The fact that it is not an offensive stat is what matters. Even if it made Tanks literally invincible at some threshold, the majority of Tanks would still try to get away without it because it doesn't increase damage.

What I'm saying here is that the player focus on DPS we're currently experiencing would have still occurred even if Parry was a very effective defensive stat in 2.X or if DPS checks never became overbearing in raids.

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Not true. If parry was a significant defensive stat I would actually use it because I like mitigation. What I do not like is bloated health.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Parry's worth as a defensive stat is not relevant. The fact that it is not an offensive stat is what matters. Even if it made Tanks literally invincible at some threshold, the majority of Tanks would still try to get away without it because it doesn't increase damage.

What I'm saying here is that the player focus on DPS we're currently experiencing would have still occurred even if Parry was a very effective defensive stat in 2.X or if DPS checks never became overbearing in raids.

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It would at least be a choice if it was even a mildly worthwhile defensive stat. Right now you have to heavily stack it for very little gain in physical fights (outside of reprisal or low blow procs for DRK), and completely useless vs. magic.

Right now there just isn't a lot of trade off, so it's nearly always better to just go offense.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Parry's worth as a defensive stat is not relevant. The fact that it is not an offensive stat is what matters. Even if it made Tanks literally invincible at some threshold, the majority of Tanks would still try to get away without it because it doesn't increase damage.

What I'm saying here is that the player focus on DPS we're currently experiencing would have still occurred even if Parry was a very effective defensive stat in 2.X or if DPS checks never became overbearing in raids.

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Let's be real here, no matter what the tank focus is or will be, it's not a good enough excuse to keep a worthless stat equally as worthless as it was in 2.0. It's inexcusable, more so since most tank gear is stacked with it.

Just throwing my 2 cents in here:
I've never viewed parry as something thats reliable. However, just like critical hits, I appreciate seeing the surprise damage reduction. I understand that it's at a flat 20% reduced (maybe they can tweak parry to have an increase in dmg reduction based on your determination), but I don't count on my parries just the same as I don't count on my critical hits.
What I don't understand is why people feel parry should be this stat that they not only have control over but also should be a stat that you stack (like ppl stacking massive crit just for that 2% chance increase). Start viewing parries as defensive critical hits and I bet view points will start to change.

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Originally Posted by Kiri_Tqnikaze

Just throwing my 2 cents in here:
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"Offensive" crits make fights go faster. "Defensive" crits don't change the amount of healing in scripted fights, though they can make a notable impact on healing large trash packs. A lot of people understand exactly what you're saying, but no tank OR healer can factor a defensive "crit" into carefully planned mitigations and heals.

It also doesn't help that crit now boosts crit damage as well as rate, while parry was nerfed down to a flat 20% no matter what.

think parry would literally need to have a counterattack mechanic to it to become even remotely desired lol for example it mitigate the base 20% + auto-attack damage instantly to enemy (with tweaks etc otherwise its too op) Might even need to have different affects by tank class. Quite frankly axing it might just be the better solution with it being a flat 20%

edit: for a while in 2.0 i thought it countered :P

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Originally Posted by Xaenith

Well they definitely need to do *something* with it...

When a stat is so ineffective that it isn't even worth considering then something is clearly wrong with it. I doubt the original intention was for it to be completely useless. Trash stats are pretty common in games though so I dunno, maybe it's a huge joke for the developers.

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Indeed, except this 'trash' stat is dripping from my gear. It should do something useful, right now it's literally a waste of space.