Regarding the Atmas, yes, another one of those.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

You were saying something about voiding "I WANT NOWZ" accusations? Entitlement.

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Instead of cherry picking a clear typo and making a strawman argument, read what the OP is saying.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Let me put it this way, would you find fair to tell your players that in order to make it to the next upgrade of their relics they have to travel 20000 KMs with their chocobos? Because killing level 3 flans with heavy shots/ruins for the next 100 hours is NOT different from that. I don't mind grinding, at all, I could spend another thousand hours playing this game. But playing this game isn't for instance using teleport 1000 times to get a piece of armor.

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You clearly are not interested in real discussion. You just want to derail the argument and that's clear because it is not entitlement to say that the quest is a complete snoozefest to do.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

If you want to quit, then just quit. No one's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to stay in the game.

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Now it's clear you don't even care about the health of the game. Why do you even post on the forums if you care so little? Enough people are quitting over this bad game design already and you don't need to add to it.

I feel like the feedback from the OP is valuable, even if it's a veiled threat of "more of this and I quit".

The point that the OP, and several responding - even in opposition to her - are making here is that the content isn't fun.

I personally don't grind atmas. I do FATEs whenever I see them in areas where I haven't found an atma yet, and at the rate that I'm going they'll probably nerf that portion of the quest before I'm finished gathering my 12. I still agree that the idea of grinding FATEs endlessly in the hopes that RNG will grant you an atma is not fun, and it doesn't seem to be fun for the majority of people (I've spoken to most in game friends about this, people who do and do not have their atma weapons, and have never heard one of them say that they enjoyed this content).

I'm not asking to get my "reward" right away, I just feel like the content leading up to it should be enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

I still agree that the idea of grinding FATEs endlessly in the hopes that RNG will grant you an atma is not fun, and it doesn't seem to be fun for the majority of people (I've spoken to most in game friends about this, people who do and do not have their atma weapons, and have never heard one of them say that they enjoyed this content).

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Nearly everyone I've talked to in game also has the opinion that the grind sucks and is boring. Many /shouts that I still hear and all these threads further enforce my belief that a majority hate it.

Provide some alternatives then, because if it's going to be a grind, it's going to suck and be boring no matter what it is.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Instead of cherry picking a clear typo and making a strawman argument, read what the OP is saying.

You clearly are not interested in real discussion. You just want to derail the argument and that's clear because it is not entitlement to say that the quest is a complete snoozefest to do.

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Typo? What typo? It was clearly stated by OP that they DESERVE better content. Yes, bold for emphasis. That kind of mindset is entitlement. I've read what OP is saying, I've heard and understood BOTH side of the general argument on the subject matter.

As far as the snoozefest goes, here's an example:

You're told you can drive through Nürburgring with either
A. A Bugatti Veyron or
B. A Toyota Prius

So you choose the Prius and find out it's "boring." Well guess what? It was YOUR choice to drive the Prius. You want something engaging, do the engaging stuff.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Nearly everyone I've talked to in game also has the opinion that the grind sucks and is boring. Many /shouts that I still hear and all these threads further enforce my belief that a majority hate it.

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It's pretty clear to me that the content was designed to force us into low level areas to help boost FATEs, and help the people jumping on board from PS4 launch to complete the FATEs. It's also clear that it was a design choice made to draw out the length of time that it takes for us to get our atma weapons.

People call this "doing the work" for the reward. I've worked for so many things in this game, and loved it. I love the pay-off for doing hard content, and even the pay-off for running roulettes every day (which arguably is also a pretty transparent grind), but when the "work" is quite literally a chore, that's when games stop being fun. There's no challenge in grinding for atmas, it's just pulling weeds.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Provide some alternatives then, because if it's going to be a grind, it's going to suck and be boring no matter what it is.

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Many people often do give alternatives but they get attacked as "You want it easier".

Well, I see plenty of attacking in here already. No harm in going deeper, 'cept to those poor poor bruised e-Egos.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

Typo? What typo? It was clearly stated by OP that they DESERVE better content. Yes, bold for emphasis. That kind of mindset is entitlement. I've read what OP is saying, I've heard and understood BOTH side of the general argument on the subject matter.

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Clear typo because
1) Even with the typo what you are claiming they stated doesn't line up.
2) They corrected their post moments later.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

But I like the game, and I want my relic weapon, do I deserve to be put killing level 5 sprites with fast blade + savage blade for the next 100 hours because of that?

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Oops! You went and made a fool of yourself. Again, very clear you are not interested in real discussion you just want to derail the topic. I'm not going to grant you that further, good day.

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

It's pretty clear to me that the content was designed to force us into low level areas to help boost FATEs, and help the people jumping on board from PS4 launch to complete the FATEs. It's also clear that it was a design choice made to draw out the length of time that it takes for us to get our atma weapons.

People call this "doing the work" for the reward. I've worked for so many things in this game, and loved it. I love the pay-off for doing hard content, and even the pay-off for running roulettes every day (which arguably is also a pretty transparent grind), but when the "work" is quite literally a chore, that's when games stop being fun. There's no challenge in grinding for atmas, it's just pulling weeds.

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Can't agree more with your post. I've think the same thing about this quest and so do most of my FC and friends. We had a very hard time finding a replacement for the Monk in our static that quit over Atma and it almost destroyed our static all together. This quest is just bad for the game and they did it so that people could complete FATEs faster? Lol. Fail in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Well, I see plenty of attacking in here already. No harm in going deeper, 'cept to those poor poor bruised e-Egos.

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Alright I'll bite. I have some solutions that don't make it easier even if none will ever be implimented anyway.
Revamp FATEs all together. Make them fun and engaging, some FATEs actually are fun but those rare (This is my top choice)
Completion of a certain number of FATEs in a zone so you at least feel progress or perhaps a new specific currency you obtain from FATEs to buy them.
Change the prerequisite to a specific instance or open world difficult battle.
Make you do a more difficult version of the first Relic quest with EX primals and new fights in place of Chimera/Hydra/HM Primals

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Provide some alternatives then, because if it's going to be a grind, it's going to suck and be boring no matter what it is.

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I feel like the first relic request is an example of a good alternative. It forces you through trials - granted they're not very difficult at this point, but at least they're varied - not through a grind. It doesn't have to "suck" or be "boring". I don't find any other content in the game to "suck" or be "boring" (I even like gathering and crafting!). The atma grind is the exception, not the rule.