Garuda Extreme final phase melee question

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

I haven't done Garuda Extreme as a DPS in a while, but when I did, I was one-shot with 5000 HP when doing that.

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That's because you ate 2 Wicked Wheel at the same time. One is from Suparna, and the other from Garuda. They both cast Wicked Wheel at the same time.

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

That's because you ate 2 Wicked Wheel at the same time. One is from Suparna, and the other from Garuda. They both cast Wicked Wheel at the same time.

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

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Nope, one WW is 5K+ not sure what dps you were playing.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

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My WAR eats 2500 with Vengeance and a parry. If unmitigated WW were only 2500 to a DPS, then everyone would use double WW method because you wouldn't need mitigation at all. Hell, every MDPS would just ignore it altogether; it wouldn't even be a mechanic anyone would talk about.

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Originally Posted by Etgar

Nope, one WW is 5K+ not sure what dps you were playing.

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Just to confirm, you experienced that figure while you where within proximity of both garuda and suparna, or just one of them?

Because if what you are saying is correct, then both Wicked Wheel from Garuda and Suparna will have an added total of 10,000 damage. I played a paladin and have experienced it without any defensive cooldowns on (granted that I have defensive stats, given the nature of a tank), and the most I have experienced is 4.5-5k damage (unmitigated damage without def cds) from BOTH Garuda and Suparna. Additionally, while tanking ONLY garuda, I have experience around 1.2-1.5k damage from ONE single Wicked Wheel.

Additionally, how would you know it is 5k damage for ONE wicked wheel if you haven't already tried my method, by separating garuda and suparna? Because garuda and suparna cast wicked wheel ALWAYS at the same time. So, please clarify.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

My WAR eats 2500 with Vengeance and a parry. If unmitigated WW were only 2500 to a DPS, then everyone would use double WW method because you wouldn't need mitigation at all. Hell, every MDPS would just ignore it altogether; it wouldn't even be a mechanic anyone would talk about.

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Thanks for the input, I won't say your figure is wrong but please state how you experienced those damage. Was it from ONE wicked wheel, or TWO wicked wheel? That's really what I am trying to get.

I say 2,500 damage on a dps is just a rough estimate because my team's monk and dragoon always got his HP below 40% when they eats one Wicked Wheel from Suparna. Fact is that they survived without dodging suparna's wicked wheel on every turn of the tornado phase with consistant level of damage taken.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

That will only happen if you're second on Garuda's enmity list. That is both difficult to coordinate and pointless as it requires omitting OT DPS.

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Yes, I'm aware but it's icing on the cake, not the point of this particular strategy. And we don't 'omit' OT DPS. Really not even trying to epeen here but, I just usually am #2 at this point.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

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The only time I've taken so little damage from an unmitigated WW was with both Stoneskin and Adloquim pre-cast on me, may be you're not taking that into account. On the flip side, I've never taken much more than 4k damage from an unmitigated singular WW from Garuda either (it's easy to see solo WW when tanking Garuda + Chirada because they normally stagger WW and Downburst); I'd imagine it may be the difference of trait-ed Protect, but I don't remember it hitting that hard with the number of dual-SCH runs I've ran either.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

the most I have experienced is 4.5-5k damage (unmitigated damage without def cds) from BOTH Garuda and Suparna.

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1. You always have shield oath on for 20% damage reduction. That brings damage up to 5.7-6.25k
2. Your healer must have had Adloqium or Stoneskin on you. It's much easier to eat double WW when your healer knows what they're doing.

@Skull_Angel; @Lemon8or Thank you, both are valid point. But my statement was abouy whether a melee DPS eating one Wicked Wheel is a viable strategy, by having the off tank taking Suparna, instead of Chirada.

Skull_Angel said a singular unmitugated Wicked Wheel goes no more than 4k. Lemon, in respond to my point on double Wicked Wheel, stated 6k from two WW.

In that respect, a DPS with should not die from eating one Wicked Wheel with the assistance of healer. Whereas common strategy on having main tank take chirada would force dps to take double WW thus instant death.

Suparna only wicked wheels while Chirada is still alive. Being that when Chirada is off tanked she will usually be focused and killed first before melee dps move on to Suparna, they never have to worry about double wicked wheels, only the tank does.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

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I stated "not much more than 4k"; I can't give exacts, but in my VIT build I hover at nearly 8.6k and an unmitigated WW has taken me to slightly less than half my HP (I may not have been fully topped off).

As to whether letting melee eat WW is viable or not, it really stresses the healers. When my healers see Friction being cast you can hear the shit storm that is pre-casting shields on 2 tanks, haha; this is besides the point that it is an easily avoidable attack if you pay attention to the tell-tail sign that it will be coming (Friction being cast).