Accuracy, a poorly designed stat

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

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He's right, dude. Accuracy is relevant to only one remote corner of the whole game. It's a mystery why they bothered to include it at all.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

Accuracy/hit rating etc is an outdated and boring stat. No one likes it, so why put it in a game?

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If intelligently implemented, it creates a tension between how often you hit vs. how hard you hit. Accuracy should be another opportunity cost we use to evaluate gear. But in FFXIV it's useless until the very end, and pretty nonsensical. I mean, why does ilvl70 have so much ACC if it wasn't even intended for the ilvl90 content we're doing now?

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

He's right, dude. Accuracy is relevant to only one remote corner of the whole game. It's a mystery why they bothered to include it at all.

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It's best not to bother trying to understand the logic of someone who tries to pass his understanding of mediocre stats for other classes off as the best thing ever for them as he's done in other threads(his SS arguments for bards for one). Accuracy on the other hand just seems like one of those things that they threw in at the last second and told people they need it to hit things in the hardest dungeon as a way to try and limit progression in said dungeon. There's a reason why WoW is getting rid of it in their next expac, it's one thing if it's fun to gear around it and it offers some real gameplay value, it's another thing when it becomes a requirement that all dps and tanks have it or they become worthless.

If they want to do higher raids like this where you need more and more to be able to always hit then ok that's somewhat fine, but if they only require the current amount until the level cap is raised then it's one of those things where you ask why did they even bother adding this when the cap never changes and it's easier and easier to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Alzithe

There's no tiers with accuracy so devs just throw it off as a stat that you must reach because... ??? This means all content after coil 5 will have the exact same ACC cap and so on. There's no progression with ACC, it's not like "I'll finally stop using ACC food because I got an upgrade" it's backwards actually in some cases.

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Uh, no?

ACC is based on mob level. Turn 1-4 has been estimated at 472 acc to cap. Turn 5 is higher acc to cap. Odin is even higher Acc. Ever wonder why it's hard to get gold on the guy? Miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss. That's literally the first thing I noticed when I attacked Odin -- and I had almost 480 acc at the time. Now I have 502 acc because my current itemization sucks, and I'm pretty sure I still got a miss or two the last time I attacked him.

Wonder what level the X-primals will be. 57? 59? How about Turn 6-10? Level 60?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

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I didn't know that, but it just makes it worse. It means you can't even reach said cap with i90 gear which makes close to no sense.
So the morale is that you must equip DL when fighting odin/behe? I'm not complaining accuracy exists, just that it's misplaced and at times randomly set on items with no logic reason.
You really think it doesn't deserve a change anywhere?

@Pellergi

Accuracy would be more interesting if your attacks fumbled (the anti-crit) which deal less damage and if it was actually reflective of your current gear. Like WP has cap of....430? Then titan at 460? I just can't set my mind on why it's a random arbitrary number there without any sense of progression gearwise.

i totally agree with the Op. Acc needs either better implementing by having it on lvl90 gear or be removed totally.

Seems like it was just thrown in there last minute.

If you lose acc, which you do swapping from DL to ilvl90, then why make acc such an important stat ONLY on coil and on nothing else before that?

Clearly something is wrong here..

I disagree with removing accuracy, it's like wanting to eat the cookie and have it.
For accuracy starved people, you'd have to do the trade off of hitting for just a wee bit weaker, but getting off all hits instead (crucial for combo classes).
Classes that don't depend on combos, having misses is not as crucial (but still a loss of damage).

I for one like the idea of swapping pieces for certain situations, you can now have BiS gear for damage, or swap some pieces out required to get all hits off in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Scella

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The loss of other attributes is not huge loss of damage because of how primary stats were designed. It's not that people CHOOSE to loss accuracy, you just do out of upgrading your gear from i70 to i90. Very rarely will i90 will have more accuracy which is just contradictory to progress. Not to mention, it's only important for coil right now and it's discarded on the rest of the content.
As it is, some i90 pieces are untouchable for certain classes due to this implementation of ACC.
Truth is, it's badly implemented and it needs changing at least, removing it altogether would be because they can't find a way to make ACC a real stat.

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Originally Posted by Alzithe

So the morale is that you must equip DL when fighting odin/behe?

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Why are you so fixated on DL? You could use i90 slots with accuracy for Odin. Or crafted gear.

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You really think it doesn't deserve a change anywhere?

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Not necessarily, but it depends on what is alleged to be the problem. As I said, I'm not against accuracy being removed wholesale since a binary "get X stat minimum" is obnoxious.

However, the components of your argument are/were off-base. You first assumed that the only purpose for acc is Coil, creating an arbitrary link along the lines of "DL is required for Coil only".

Second, you seem to be very fixated on Darklight for some unknown reason. If you're saying that Darklight has too few non-acc options for players who choose not to do Coil (or simply to mix and match pieces in general), and that Primals need higher acc requirements (less than Coil) that's one thing.

However, complaining that "Darklight has accuracy!" is irrelevant.

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I just can't set my mind on why it's a random arbitrary number there without any sense of progression gearwise.

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It's not random and arbitrary. It's based on the mob level. Higher level mobs and higher-tier content require more acc. That's pretty logical. Not necessarily perfect game design by any stretch, but it is coherent and legitimate.

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Very rarely will i90 will have more accuracy which is just contradictory to progress.

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This is delusional. i90 has as much accuracy as i70. It's all over the place -- and for same slots with the same priority, i90 has more raw acc than i70 gear.

I'm sitting here on my DRG with mostly i90 gear at 502 accuracy, and I'm trying to reduce it. I can't even upgrade my belt from Allagan to BiS Myth because it will increase my accuracy.

There is no "need" to upgrade to higher ilvl eq if it gimps your function.
Said +ilvl equipment might be better for another fight? Dress for the occasion, in the same manner you prolly wouldn't show up in your jammies or worn clothes for a high profile job interview, unless he casting for a hobo role in a movie

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

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Hmm... for bard the maximum you can get is 481 with the allagan helmet.
Both allagan nad myth boots don't provide ACC, neither does the belt or neck and you can only use one allagan ring, thus full i90 has a max of 480~ for bards. Can't get any higher. Might be some class issue but still it's an issue. The point of some gear being totally discarded for some classes still stands.

@ Scella

Your analogies don't fit well since this is a game. In real life lacoste gear isn't better than gap...
You don't get my point, I have a set I'm aiming for, it has the needed ACC, the problem can be BYPASSED, but it's just going around it.
Some 90 pieces won't see the light of the sun ever because of how some random pieces has and don't have ACC. Might as well just eliminate them from the game right?