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    Accuracy, a poorly designed stat

    As it is right now, you don't really need any accuracy except for coil. That's...alright, lets just assume it's a very low accuracy cap, but the new problem rises with how it is implemented on armor.
    As it is right now DL has a sick amount of accuracy which over caps anything we have out. Take bard for example, you end up with 500~ accuracy and you only need 473~ for the current content.
    The next problem comes to light when you start upgrading your gear, accuracy doesn't upgrade, it downgrades....why?
    For bard, which I'm familiar with, you go from 500~ to 475, barely hitting the cap.
    Another problem comes when you have two sets of gear to choose from (allgana/myth). If you're a DoW dps, if your chest/legs don't have ACC on it, well, tough luck.
    I'll explain the consequences of this: 1. you can't use any upgrade of gear you want. 2. ACC doesn't act as a natural ilvl restriction, just a cockblock 3. casters way easier, making it somewhat unfair 4. If new contents comes with higher requirements people will be forced to use DL.

    In my opinion, accuracy should be rethough as a natural item level barrier for dps. Should be that all of the gear has accuracy (as a fifth stat perhaps) so the player can choose from Det/skillspeed/crit/ect. As it is, the current system "works" but it feels like walking with one leg: very sloppy.
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    Last edited by Alzithe; 11-12-2013 at 10:33 PM.

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    You do realize that the difference between 500 acc and the cap(s) in Coil are basically 1 item ... right?
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    First, you can use food(unlike SMNs). This is upwards of 21-22 ACC.

    Second, casters having it easier? Our relics don't have accuracy on them, which is why our cap is lower(Although SMN is, again, shafted in this).
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    That is incorrect. Easymodex
    You could go ahead and feel comfortable in a sloppy system but we know it's a hinderance.
    Please, leave a constructive comment instead of judging what I said. Otherwise, your input is same as nothing.

    To clarify, it would be one big piece with 0 accuracy, like chest or legs, or weapon.

    @ Keevee

    I am aware of that, but your ACC cap is very, very low as compared to DoW, you have to admit that. Making it easier for itemization (being able to pick less items with ACC)
    Correct me if I'm mistaken but DoW has to pick 8 pieces with ACC including the weapon.
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    Last edited by Alzithe; 11-12-2013 at 10:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alzithe View Post
    Please, leave a constructive comment instead of judging what I said.
    I am human. Therefore I judge.

    To clarify, it would be one big piece with 0 accuracy, like chest or legs, or weapon.
    ::shocke::

    It's horrible that you'll be overcap on accuracy for all of 1 week, assuming you randomly threw away all your old gear.

    ::world's smallest violin::

    What will you ever do?

    Correct me if I'm mistaken but DoW has to pick 8 pieces with ACC including the weapon.
    Somehow it seems like more DoW gear ends up having accuracy to compensate!

    Well-played, SE, well-played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alzithe View Post
    @ Keevee

    I am aware of that, but your ACC cap is very, very low as compared to DoW, you have to admit that. Making it easier for itemization (being able to pick less items with ACC)
    Correct me if I'm mistaken but DoW has to pick 8 pieces with ACC including the weapon.
    Our ACC cap(minus SMN pet) is about minus the accuracy on relic weapons. That is, the cap is 430-435. Bard+1 has 37 Accuracy.
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    Well damn, people really do complain about everything. This time it's about Accuracy?
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    I don't have a huge issue with the current system, that said the entire point of itemizatio on pld is to hit the acc cap in as few pieces as possible while maximizing parry. The fact that the options exist is kinda nifty, but it does mean that given the rng factor in loot, upgrading can be very tricky (any pld getting allagan legs as their first drop is pretty heavily hamstringed compared to one getting acessories or really any other piece).

    I also don't think the OP is as QQ as they come off/have been accused of. There is a difference between a dedicated player genuinely thinking a game mechanic could be improved, and blinding QQ'ing cus they feel personally hampered (usually because x is too hard omg).

    I kinda think the OP has a point. Acc should be based off iLvl. (either as a hidden calculation or a fifth stat). This would also solve scholar's energy drain problems (they have no access to accuracy, and yet a core mechanic of the class is based off this stat).

    Also, just cus the current system works or is better for some classes than otehrs doesn't mean it couldn't be improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    I am human. Therefore I judge.



    ::shocke::

    It's horrible that you'll be overcap on accuracy for all of 1 week, assuming you randomly threw away all your old gear.

    ::world's smallest violin::

    What will you ever do?



    Somehow it seems like more DoW gear ends up having accuracy to compensate!

    Well-played, SE, well-played.
    You missed the point, and probably I missed the wording, the problem is not the stat itself it's the implementation.
    As it is, there's only 1 build people can make out of their 90 gear (mainly DoW) because of how accuracy is set.
    This makes it so you can have less interchange-able items producing less variety. End result everybody will end up with exactly the same gear, exactly same stats, everything the same. And I don't think that's the purpose when having choices.
    If SE wants to make endgame gear to be the same for all why not just make allagan and myth identical? I mean, having gear that you can't use at all it's kind of... dumb?
    I'm not arguing with you but I think you're missing my point. Accuracy just seems badly implemented don't you think? i70 having more than i90? Why is that? My current dream set has the correct amount of accuracy and I know it'll take me 9 more weeks to get, meaning I can play with the current system but does it really feel this system is okay with you as it is?
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    i90 gear has plenty of accuracy options.

    Min/maxing will always lead to a single-ish BiS list.

    ... the end.
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