Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Okay I have to share this.
Leveling my red mage and got Cutter's Cry for leveling roulette. Probanly my least favorite dungeon in the entire game, but whatever. I didn't care. Let's do it. I had a pretty good time as RDM kicks all kinds of ass. But just as we engaged the Chimera i started lagging pretty hard. Perks of living in eastern europe. A harder rain storm ruined my internet connection a good five hours before it showed up. We died twice. Lag got to the point where the only thing I could hope for was to keep moving, randomly cast spells and pray for the boss to die. I was useless.
Finally my connection broke and I couldn't even log back for a few minutes. It was only natural that they kicked me and found a new dps to down the boss.

Expect, no. That didn't happen. When I was back I was still in the group, the boss was dead and the last guy was still there waiting for me. It really warmed my heart. ^^

Susano EX

Tank keeps failing to do the quick time button mash event. Keeps calling out the dps for not killing the sword fast enough. He seriously thought the sword should have been destroyed in two seconds.

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Originally Posted by Sacred_Nym

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:( is it too much to ask of people in a MMO to be simply considerate of people playing with them?

Performance anxiety is one thing that's making you do as much as you can - it shouldn't, however, be a requirement or the only reason for people to think about carrying their own weight... it's just common courtesy. And common sense, I guess. :/

I thought we'd left pure melee RDMs behind in FFXI.

Tonight proved me horribly, horribly wrong.

Did The Aery last night. Tank was watching the initial cut scene and one the DPS dropped right off the bat. With the penalty plus queue time, I'm sure we still finished before that DPS got another dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Someone please explain to me why I see more black mages using manaward than tanks using their basic defensive cooldowns in expert roulette, please. I need to know WHY.

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Because healers forget we exist while they're spamming stone 1.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Because healers forget we exist while they're spamming stone 1.

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I try not to forget BLM's exist at least until I have access to Stone II.

You know, when it becomes possible for me to outDPS them because they're still ice maging.

(Jk I love some BLMs)

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

Had a tank who used a parser in fractal and called the healer and one of the dps out because their dps didn't satisfied him. My dps was somewhat satisfied him so I didn't get called out, but I had to leave anyway because it was getting ugly.

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the worst >.<

This.
Healer in strength accessories and a level 38 crafting belt for Bardam's Mettle. One clemency healed as much as 4 of their physicks. I had to heal most of the aoe from the final boss, not just myself but the 2 dps as well.

Edit: and of course the scrub won the lot on the minion.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

This.
Healer in strength accessories and a level 38 crafting belt for Bardam's Mettle. One clemency healed as much as 4 of their physicks. I had to heal most of the aoe from the final boss, not just myself but the 2 dps as well.

Edit: and of course the scrub won the lot on the minion.

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I am 99% sure you were in my trial roulette today, so weird to see forum people in game.

Also that is maybe the single worst thing I've seen in this thread. The fact that you left him in wearing that gear speaks to an amount of patience I doubt I will ever have.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

The fact that you left him in wearing that gear speaks to an amount of patience I doubt I will ever have.

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If I was on my Paladin, I probably wouldn't initiate a vote kick either. But if someone started it, I would happily press yes. Why wouldn't I initiate it? Because Paladin has Clemency and I'd rather adapt.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

A lot of us aren't able to go to O3S on a weekly basis. A lot of us still deal with parties that struggle with O1S and O2S, and if many of them are like me, we tend to not try to clear the next stage on a weekly basis until we get our clears on 1 and 2. I know I will not touch O2S until I can get a competent party for O1S. Plus, a lot of us have not been around for or have done the Alex Savage content, so yes, people are going to struggle for a little while longer.

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Damn.that's sure worse than my case.
My condolesence.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

It's almost like players need to learn a difficult fight before they have it down to farm. Who would have guessed?

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That used to happened only to DF.
Now its effected cross-world party as well.
And it spreads so FAST !!!!

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I am 99% sure you were in my trial roulette today.

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Quite possible. Thornmarch HM in progress?

Bardam ( level 65 instance for whoever doesn't know ) , I was leveling my AST , full shisui...
First big pull, the tank starts going down like if he was wearing toilet paper, now...not only he wasn't using his basic cooldowns....he also was in some odd mix of level 50 / 60 green & blue gear....nothing from stormblood for sure...and nothing close to shire....and he kept going for big pulls...with me getting PTSD and spamming lucid dreaming and lightspeed to keep him alive .
It was just so damn stressing...no wonder people ask themselves why there's no healers around...I wouldn't want to heal in level 70 content with tanks such as these...they make me wonder why I still main a healer.

Not a complaint, though I just feel odd about this one.

>Queue up for DR: Leveling for that sweet Daily Bonus and Crack as a DRK
>Got in progress dungeon, 1 minute past
>I was expecting Dzemael Darkhold, Arum Vale, or Brayflox's Longstop since I get those the most when I get the "in progress" alert
>Got Doma Castle
>I have never tanked it, I had whatever level 65 - 66 gear I had on me, only did this once as RDM
>I used my macro to let everyone know that I was new to tanking the dungeon and I was not doing big pulls
>Apparently the prior tank was "autistic" according to the group, so... whatever that means in relation to their group.
>I got there and pulled a large mob that comes prior to the first boss. DPS wanted to run ahead but I didn't.
>DPS was all "I am confused, what is going on?"
>I kept doing small pulls, up to first boss.
>The DPS wouldn't have it after that, if I didn't pull more mobs, they did and brought it back to me, I had to grab the mobs off of them.
>Did big pulls the rest of the run, despite me not knowing were mobs spawned, spawn triggers, enemy types, etc.
>Before the final boss, I had to remind them I never tanked the dungeon.
>I was told by the DPS "AOE" and "If you have tanked one, you have tanked them all."
>Then they pulled the final boss.
>Healer got my com. Since they did the extra work to not only to DPS, but also heal me with gear that I would not do big pulls in (I don't do big pulls until I have 1/2 of my gear being that dungeon's drops or high ilevel).

What I feel odd about is that the damage was great, the team worked good once I got into how they wanted it; but I didn't get any satisfaction out of it.


I then queued for Doma again and got a group with a healer new to the dungeon. I let them know I am not doing big pulls and the healer was thankful for it. The dungeon took slightly longer than the prior one, but it was a more satisfying run. I have a better idea of where to hold mobs and when/how they spawn.

I'm leveling my DRG here and I queue'd into Doma Castke for EXP and I just gotta say this - If you're a tank in Doma Castle still rocking i270 gear and the rest of your party aren't under the effect of level sync and wearing a range of i270-i276 gear, you probably shouldn't be pulling wall-to-wall in the instance...

Just five minutes into the run and we had already wiped twice without even reaching the first boss. Fun.. >>;

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

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Yeah, these types of DPS are a plague on the game. The tank should be the one to dictate what they can handle. Once you get more used to the role and more gear, you could pull more, but I'm glad you know to pace yourself. Screw those DPS.

I had a lovely tank in Doma Castle today, he'd done it before but still wasn't sure how big he could pull... he was chilled out, patient, and friendly, used his cooldowns appropriately, we wiped a couple of times because of slightly bigger pulls and mobs aoe. But he made my first run in there a lot of fun, so thank you to Behemoth Shishu, you did a good job :)

Ran Deltascape 2 as BLM. We loaded in, the DRK immediately asked the PLD if they had Shirk set.

PLD had no idea what Shirk was, and claimed they didn't have it.

I am now officially at the point where whenever I encounter something like this, I can only laugh.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Ran Deltascape 2 as BLM. We loaded in, the DRK immediately asked the PLD if they had Shirk set.

PLD had no idea what Shirk was, and claimed they didn't have it.

I am now officially at the point where whenever I encounter something like this, I can only laugh.

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Although, I am curious a bit as to why you'd need Shirk in O2. It's not like there's any tank switching going on there.

If you're new to healing, and you're guilty of the following:

- Spamming Cure on a fully-healed tank
- Forgetting to put Benediction on your bar
- Thinking Cure III is the best single-target heal
- Accidentally dragging Resurrection OFF your bar and refusing to put it back on
- Using a guilt-trippy Res macro that tells the <t> to "quit eating dirt"
- Not knowing what Regen, Cure II, or Medica II are

... maybe you shouldn't be learning to heal in Baelsar's Wall.

I wish this newbie healer the best, but I had to take the penalty after wiping twice to the second boss. Taking the penalty is my own choice (since she was in a premade, and a dismiss probably wouldn't have gone through), but it still stinks to lose an hour because the healer isn't ready for the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Ran Deltascape 2 as BLM. We loaded in, the DRK immediately asked the PLD if they had Shirk set.

PLD had no idea what Shirk was, and claimed they didn't have it.

I am now officially at the point where whenever I encounter something like this, I can only laugh.

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I don't even know what game it is, but let my guess be WoW. We use provoke here, somebody asking a dumb question as of "do you have shirk?" should either be kicked or get a stupid answer. And just like the other person, maybe I am mixing up turns here, but were do you need provoke in O2?

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

I don't even know what game it is, but let my guess be WoW. We use provoke here, somebody asking a dumb question as of "do you have shirk?" should either be kicked or get a stupid answer. And just like the other person, maybe I am mixing up turns here, but were do you need provoke in O2?

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Shirk is a tank role ability. It's used to give about 25% of your aggro to the selected target. In O2S, it's optimal (but not required) to ensure a tank swap and avoid a death. I don't think I've seen it used much in O2N, though.

The DRK wanted to tank without Grit on and have the PLD Provoke + Shirk them to help with aggro. They refused to put Grit on even as the aggro gap between themself and the DPS grew closer and closer. I used Diversion twice in a row and still almost took aggro.

I still don't get this obsession with tank DPS. I don't get why they can't just do their jobs properly so that us DPS can do our jobs properly without constantly worrying about ripping aggro. But now I'm just beyond truly caring about it.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

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When I was leveling WHM and a buddy was leveling DRK, we had a RDM who would pull ahead. At one point I told my friend to stop AoEing and we let that RDM die with the extra mobs. He stopped pulling ahead after that

Sometimes all they need is a kick to the teeth to know "maybe I shouldn't be doing this"

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Originally Posted by Cenerae

Although, I am curious a bit as to why you'd need Shirk in O2. It's not like there's any tank switching going on there.

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OT is still building enmity a bit. They can use Shirk to pass hate to the MT so they don't have to use another enmity combo. It's for a DPS increase for the tanks really

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

I still don't get this obsession with tank DPS. I don't get why they can't just do their jobs properly so that us DPS can do our jobs properly without constantly worrying about ripping aggro. But now I'm just beyond truly caring about it.

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When I tank, I only drop Grit/switch to DPS stance when I know I can keep agro still without worries.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

The DRK wanted to tank without Grit on and have the PLD Provoke + Shirk them to help with aggro. They refused to put Grit on even as the aggro gap between themself and the DPS grew closer and closer. I used Diversion twice in a row and still almost took aggro.

I still don't get this obsession with tank DPS. I don't get why they can't just do their jobs properly so that us DPS can do our jobs properly without constantly worrying about ripping aggro.

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Because if se gave us a parse we'd see how much tank stance kills DPs

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Because if se gave us a parse we'd see how much tank stance kills DPs

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So if tanking felt more rewarding would dps matter as much? Or if tanks gave a buff or debuff from doing their role that increased other team member's damage and got credit for the extra dps on a parser, would that make a difference?

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Originally Posted by Avatre

When I tank, I only drop Grit/switch to DPS stance when I know I can keep agro still without worries.

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I keep tank stance up until I know I can handle the damage intake. Honestly, enmity generation isn't too bad if you're good enough with your enmity combo, even though you want to use those as little as possible. My problem is the massive influx of green DerPS we have in the game, and I'd rather have something that increases my survivability and longevity than getting chunked on a couple AAs because the healers are determined to spam Stone/Malefic/Ruin rather than spend an OGCD to bring me back up.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I keep tank stance up until I know I can handle the damage intake. Honestly, enmity generation isn't too bad if you're good enough with your enmity combo, even though you want to use those as little as possible. My problem is the massive influx of green DerPS we have in the game, and I'd rather have something that increases my survivability and longevity than getting chunked on a couple AAs because the healers are determined to spam Stone/Malefic/Ruin rather than spend an OGCD to bring me back up.

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That too. I've had to use Living Dead more often since SB hit than I did the entire time I leveled from 30-60 during HW. And that's doing similar pulls(even doing the large pulls in HW content now I have had to use it...in full 270 gear)

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

The DRK wanted to tank without Grit on and have the PLD Provoke + Shirk them to help with aggro. They refused to put Grit on even as the aggro gap between themself and the DPS grew closer and closer. I used Diversion twice in a row and still almost took aggro.

I still don't get this obsession with tank DPS. I don't get why they can't just do their jobs properly so that us DPS can do our jobs properly without constantly worrying about ripping aggro. But now I'm just beyond truly caring about it.

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That... isn't unreasonable though. There is no reason the PLD shouldn't Provoke + Shirk since both abilities would sit off CD and do nothing otherwise. Forcing the DRK into Grit severely grips their DPS, which matters when you're trying to push through mechanics. The PLD isn't doing their job if they aren't utilizing role skills to help benefit both themselves and the party. It'd be the equivalent of you refusing to use Diversion when it exists solely to benefit tanks. They care about their DPS because that's all FFXIV rewards: damage. Until that changes and content actually requires more direct tanking, people will always focus on damage regardless of the role they play.

Edit: Apologies. Thought you were refusing to Savage. For normal, it's whatever. Your damage doesn't matter nearly as much.

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Originally Posted by tinythinker

So if tanking felt more rewarding would dps matter as much? Or if tanks gave a buff or debuff from doing their role that increased other team member's damage and got credit for the extra dps on a parser, would that make a difference?

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Somewhat, yes. Enmity generation is incredibly dull in this game nor does anything require tank stance once you start getting higher level gear. Thus, people focus on damage because once you've met the mitigation and healing thresholds, there isn't anything to worry over.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

That too. I've had to use Living Dead more often since SB hit than I did the entire time I leveled from 30-60 during HW. And that's doing similar pulls(even doing the large pulls in HW content now I have had to use it...in full 270 gear)

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As much as I want to sympathize with you about some of the more recent additions (from wow *cough*) I don't get why you'd be using Living Dead more, it's on a 5 minute CD I think... Shouldn't you use it 2 or 3 times per dungeon either way?

I am kinda bugged by tanks holding onto their CD's "just incase" personally. I don't keep Bene and Tetra available through the whole dungeon because it's wasted MP and GCDs spent on healing. Isn't it the same with LD?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Somewhat, yes. Enmity generation is incredibly dull in this game nor does anything require tank stance once you start getting higher level gear. Thus, people focus on damage because once you've met the mitigation and healing thresholds, there isn't anything to worry over.

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Hmm, so if each tank job could set up a couple of different powerful combo opportunities for the dps it wouldn't be as boring and it would feel like more of a meaning contribution in between enmity combos. Well, if that would help, I'm for it.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

As much as I want to sympathize with you about some of the more recent additions (from wow *cough*) I don't get why you'd be using Living Dead more, it's on a 5 minute CD I think... Shouldn't you use it 2 or 3 times per dungeon either way?

I am kinda bugged by tanks holding onto their CD's "just incase" personally. I don't keep Bene and Tetra available through the whole dungeon because it's wasted MP and GCDs spent on healing. Isn't it the same with LD?

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For Living Dead, I RARELY, if ever, had to use it before SB. Now I'm using it 2-3 times minimum a week.

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Originally Posted by tinythinker

Hmm, so if each tank job could set up a couple of different powerful combo opportunities for the dps it wouldn't be as boring and it would feel like more of a meaning contribution in between enmity combos. Well, if that would help, I'm for it.

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It's more tank stance needs to have greater importance or it'll be quickly abandoned. Honestly, cooldowns are far too powerful in this game, which is another contributing factor. Content is just too easy unless you mass pull dungeons. Back in Heavensward, I had Holmgang for every single Punishing Heat Alexander does. Why would I need tank stance when I can just ignore his attacks? And that was in Savage, the hardest content released between 3.4 to 4.0. Even now, you'll drop stance fairly often. If the devs want things to change, tanks either need to take more damage and/or generate significantly less enmity without tank stance. Granted, they tried the latter and people put on 270 Slaying gear because they hated it. So...

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Originally Posted by Avatre

For Living Dead, I RARELY, if ever, had to use it before SB. Now I'm using it 2-3 times minimum a week.

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I'm sorry, I feel like that is a ton of wasted utility. Especially if you're paired with a WHM. We have a button that heals you to full in about one second. If your healers are DPSing so much you have to use it that's like saying a tank is taking so much damage I have to use Largresse... why wouldn't I want to use my full kit?

Also your healers are DPSing. Lucky you.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Also your healers are DPSing. Lucky you.

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If they were DPSing then I wouldn't mind. But when they aren't, that causes an issue.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It's more tank stance needs to have greater importance or it'll be quickly abandoned. Honestly, cooldowns are far too powerful in this game, which is another contributing factor. Content is just too easy unless you mass pull dungeons. Back in Heavensward, I had Holmgang for every single Punishing Heat Alexander does. Why would I need tank stance when I can just ignore his attacks? And that was in Savage, the hardest content released between 3.4 to 4.0. Even now, you'll drop stance fairly often. If the devs want things to change, tanks either need to take more damage and/or generate significantly less enmity without tank stance. Granted, they tried the latter and people put on 270 Slaying gear because they hated it. So...

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Yet many tanks who became super-squishy with 4.0 still didn't want to use tank stance, so taking extra damage didn't work either. They just felt healers should pick up their slack.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I'm sorry, I feel like that is a ton of wasted utility. Especially if you're paired with a WHM. We have a button that heals you to full in about one second. If your healers are DPSing so much you have to use it that's like saying a tank is taking so much damage I have to use Largresse... why wouldn't I want to use my full kit?

Also your healers are DPSing. Lucky you.

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You are misunderstanding the problem, methinks. The problem isn't healers who DPS when healing is not needed. It's healers that JUST DPS. Period. Or they spam Medica 2, despite their tanks being low. The problem isn't healers throwing out DPS, though that only serves to make this DPS TRUMPS ALL OTHER THINGS meta that we're diving towards all the more cemented in these green DerPS players' minds.