Formal Letter to SE about RMT situation.

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Originally Posted by Magusrex

Not so sure that is quid pro quo. Until RMT significantly impacts SE financially it will continue to exist. it appears they will only try something new to fix it if subscribers quit en masse.

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And the beauty of it is, rmt will never impact se, since this is a pay2play game with no pay2win elements ( personally i feel ppl paying others to clear fcob for them destroy the game for themselves. )

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

And the beauty of it is, rmt will never impact se, since this is a pay2play game with no pay2win elements ( personally i feel ppl paying others to clear fcob for them destroy the game for themselves. )

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Not a fan of selling runs, I would never buy or sell one(I am against sellingruns). Not sure enough selling is happening to impact RMT at all. Apparently, if enough credit cards are stolen by the RMT sites and those credit cards are used for subscriptions and game purchases, charge backs can hurt...Not holding my breath though. I have given up hope since the problem has been around so long, gotten worse, no communication and nothing new. Is what it is.

I signed up for the forums just to /sign this.

Sellruns are definitely a cog in the RMT machine.

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Sellruns are definitely a cog in the RMT machine.

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Definitely? How much are the runs selling for and how often are these runs available? Anyone selling runs want to say how many runs they sell and how much they get?

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Originally Posted by Magusrex

Definitely? How much are the runs selling for and how often are these runs available? Anyone selling runs want to say how many runs they sell and how much they get?

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I was curious about the same thing a while back, so I asked an FC on my server that is known for selling clears. I believe the rate they quoted was something like 2m for T9 and 20m for T13. I was like "Holy crap, do people actually pay that much?!" and the guy responded by saying they get people paying that much all of the time. I've got way more gil than most people, but still haven't cleared T9- and it will stay that way forever if paying for a carry is the only way I can. -.-

RMT at present is out of control, and that is probably the most gentle word to say for it.

Every 5 minutes without fail I am getting hit by friend requests AND whispers from them. I can't even ignore the friend requests because they are persistent on my screen without a bunch of clicks.

It is frustrating and infurating to say the least.

And no, before some elitist jerk comes in and says "turn off friend and tells durrrrr hurrrr stupid Sovereign" I am sure as hell not going to do that and block the ability for me to communicate and work with friends and future friends.

I seriously wonder how much money RMT spends even daily keeping this up. I literally am not exaggerating with the 5 minute point. Maybe sometimes I get a 10 minute break but it is relentless.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

RMT at present is out of control, and that is probably the most gentle word to say for it.

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I wonder then what is done differently on Balmung? I have like 3 people in my Blacklist and that was in the last two months. I get maybe one tell a month, no invites, cant remember the last time I saw spam in chat. I know other servers are awful but Balmung is fine. Could they be testing methods on some servers, seeing how it works on RMT and how the players are effected before mass implementation? Is it the sole result of restricted character creation? If its just the restriction that is limiting the RMT on Balmung, then maybe they should restrict all servers to be random times it is unlocked. Makes for quite the pain in the butt (I remember threads complaining about the restrictions.)

Would people here be willing to endure character restrictions if it was what helped Balmung?

Hmm trial accounts can no longer send friends request for HW. I didn't even know they could in the first place. I wonder if this will change anything for the people annoyed by friends requests. They will probably still do this with non-trial accounts lol.

Trial accounts can't use tells either.

RMT doesn't use trial accounts.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I wonder then what is done differently on Balmung? I have like 3 people in my Blacklist and that was in the last two months. I get maybe one tell a month, no invites, cant remember the last time I saw spam in chat. I know other servers are awful but Balmung is fine. Could they be testing methods on some servers, seeing how it works on RMT and how the players are effected before mass implementation? Is it the sole result of restricted character creation? If its just the restriction that is limiting the RMT on Balmung, then maybe they should restrict all servers to be random times it is unlocked. Makes for quite the pain in the butt (I remember threads complaining about the restrictions.)

Would people here be willing to endure character restrictions if it was what helped Balmung?

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Limiting character creation is not a reasonable response in my book.

I must say, there's no RMT spam at all in the early access, at least at Adamantoise :D

I was getting one, but its also probably due to servers being full and them not being able to get in, once the congestion dies down you may welcome em back.

Eh, here's a suggestion.

Ban the computer itself, not an IP.

Have a no-tolerance policy on it.

Ban the actual numbers on the computer, make it worthless as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I must say, there's no RMT spam at all in the early access, at least at Adamantoise :D

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They've taken to just /say spamming

I haven't seen any msg/friend spam... but then again I moved shout and tell to a (spam) tab, removed the sounds attached to them and never checked it.

Same with Couerl - got maybe one or two all day........ which is -super- nice! however, only when things die down can I really form an opinion, yet.... for all we know they just can't get in at the moment.

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Originally Posted by UnaverageWalrus

Eh, here's a suggestion.

Ban the computer itself, not an IP.

Have a no-tolerance policy on it.

Ban the actual numbers on the computer, make it worthless as a whole.

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There is no "number" on the computer itself, it's on the network card. And theres a finite number of MAC addresses.

And it's changeable by putting a new network adapter in. They cost like 5 bucks.

Two whispers within 1 min. No doubt, the problem isn't solved.

Ban the RMT culprit's using all the following methods:

Ban Service Account
Ban email address
Ban MAC and IP
Ban Home Address
Ban Real Life Name/ Usernames
Ban registered Bank details/ Credit Card details

make it as difficult as possible to get back into game

So much peace... I really enjoy it <3

I wish it stayed like this forever

What if we brought the RMT issue to the U.N. and make it illegal in their countries to be an RMT?

Wouldn't RMT be non-existent or almost non-existent in Heavensward areas due to the expansion being gated by the entire MSQ?

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

Wouldn't RMT be non-existent or almost non-existent in Heavensward areas due to the expansion being gated by the entire MSQ?

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No, RMTs can still harass with /tells if they so desire. Bots will have no problem getting through the story requirements by killing mobs with their bodies glitched in the floor, same way they beat/farm dungeons. In any case, everyone should have a week or two of relative peace with the servers filled to the brim with actual players, thereby blocking RMTs from getting into the game en masse, enjoy this brief reprieve.

Have not received 1 message or friend request since Heavensward launch. Very pleased.

Unfortunately I got a few friend requests in new areas ( Coerthas Western Highlands ) and I also had a few tells :/ . Granted it was way better than the old areas I traveled to limsa and I didn't even get fully loaded and got a rmt shout, yell, and say within seconds

Ugh, it's starting to get bad again. Getting a lot of tells. Not nearly as many friend requests though, as you would expect.

I haven't had any messages or seen any shouts related to RMT for months... even when this thread was first made. And I played every day.

So where are/were these imaginary RMT annoyances coming from?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

I haven't had any messages or seen any shouts related to RMT for months... even when this thread was first made. And I played every day.

So where are/were these imaginary RMT annoyances coming from?

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You play on a JP server that also happens to be legacy. Of course you wouldn't see any of this.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

You play on a JP server that also happens to be legacy. Of course you wouldn't see any of this.

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Why would that matter? You can create new characters on Legacy servers and the economies have essentially stabled out.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Why would that matter? You can create new characters on Legacy servers and the economies have essentially stabled out.

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It matters because JP servers overall have far less RMT than other servers, and you will have an inherently lower RMT population on your server because it's legacy and character creation is often locked. These two things are why you don't see much RMT.

People have posted pictures of their chat logs with proof of how bad RMT was. There's nothing "imaginary" about it.

It was nice while it lasted, but yesterday I started getting gil seller spam again. Not as much as I used to get, but it's still annoying.

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Originally Posted by SpiritTamer

It was nice while it lasted, but yesterday I started getting gil seller spam again. Not as much as I used to get, but it's still annoying.

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Yeah, same thing. Things were a lot quieter but the in game tell / say / whatever started picking up again. But what I haven't had to deal with? No friend requests from these accounts since trial accounts were blocked from being able to send friend requests. That much is nice.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Yeah, same thing. Things were a lot quieter but the in game tell / say / whatever started picking up again. But what I haven't had to deal with? No friend requests from these accounts since trial accounts were blocked from being able to send friend requests. That much is nice.

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I've had the opposite - Plenty of friend requests >_< Probably more than actual tells, as of the last two days.
It was so nice, all through early access... and then it started picking up.... T^T
And the blatant bot in Gridania, sitting at the Aetheryte spltting out RMT advertisements every few minutes. New players are going to see that, so easily... >_> Some may not know any better. At least the RMT bots I remember sitting Ul Dah's Aetheryte were just tell bots -.-

Dammit I really hoped they would do something when HW came out.. It was so quiet and nice but nope.. I have to go back busy mode cause I still get those damn friend request.. C'mon SE!

Just make sending friend requests and sending tells a lvl 5 quest. You really don't need either of those things before lvl 5.

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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles

Just make sending friend requests and sending tells a lvl 5 quest. You really don't need either of those things before lvl 5.

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That's.......actually not a bad idea. Might be a slight annoyance for new people joining cus of friends but I assume they would find a way to meet up fairly quickly with outside means.

That wouldnt work at all. Give gil sellers a few days and they have a macro to reach that lvl 5 quest and then they will continue as usual. They will always find a way, no matter what Square is doing.

Sadly this is still a big issue in 3.0.

I can't understand how a lvl1 gil seller gets to coerthas. It makes you wonder if SE are supporting Gil selling. If it was a hack then the place would be full of them but given its only 1 or 2 different names its as though they have been "given permission", and why haven't all the previous accounts been deleted yet so we can start adding to blacklists again ?

Just take a page from TERAs book and ban ips out of China. Don't think I've ever seen an RMT tell in TERA.