RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

Instead of asking for another chat, I'd much rather get option to filter our chat. Like just put to block any message with the word venue in it per example. That would fix a lot of your issues and would also be useful in a ton of other situations.
A new chat will just have the same issue in the future when someone sees too many of a certain kind of ad in it. Then we would have the "we need a new chat for x kind of venues".

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Originally Posted by AnaximanderFelidae

My personal take: the /shout and pf ads are a nuisance. Whether you think venues are appropriate, or what people's rights are, or whatever morals or opinions one may have on the issue, or speculation on what SE will or won't do doesn't change the fact that it's very annoying to see your chat spammed with ads in populated cities and duplicated in party finder. They're too numerous, they shouldn't be encouraged. I like a clean chat. So I, for one, hope there's a way to eliminate or contain them, or reduce them. Maybe have a few designated family-friendly servers? Where there's stricter moderation? I don't really know. But it's worth exploring whatever possibilities might exist that keep the ads in check.

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tbh the ads for the most part are not overly explicit. What people see usually is 18+. If an ad crosses that line I believe it's fine to report as many stated they already do. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a chat specifically for advertisements either, but shout chat in general would then need to be heavily moderated to make sure nothing slips through the crack which I do not see SE doing.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Instead of asking for another chat, I'd much rather get option to filter our chat. Like just put to block any message with the word venue in it per example. That would fix a lot of your issues and would also be useful in a ton of other situations.
A new chat will just have the same issue in the future when someone sees too many of a certain kind of ad in it. Then we would have the "we need a new chat for x kind of venues".

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This is another issue with the idea, because a variety of venues exist within this game ranging from those nightclubs to cafes to bars, and anything else people might want to do. A word filter might be a good solution for something like it, could allow people to block out "18+" so they can see venues which they want to go to, or any other personalization they might desire.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

That's what I don't get about people who ask to give venues their own chat. As it is right now, shout chat in city's is used for almost nothing else. A hunt train shout here and there too but not much else.
Why would we need another chat to essentially do the exact same thing that shout (in city's) already is? Other than you don't want to see it and don't want to toggle shout chat off/on.

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For real, I don't get it lol. And let's keep in mind that hunt trains are contained to discord and usually never hit the main areas anyway. So any "gameplay" is not happening in shout chat, like at all lol. OP lives in Limsa.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

This is another issue with the idea, because a variety of venues exist within this game ranging from those nightclubs to cafes to bars, and anything else people might want to do. A word filter might be a good solution for something like it, could allow people to block out "18+" so they can see venues which they want to go to, or any other personalization they might desire.

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Most venues are 18+ regardless if they're nightclub, bars, taverns ect. So you're missing out by putting 18+ tbh. Probably you could filter out "DJ" or something close to get rid of the nightclub ads.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Instead of asking for another chat, I'd much rather get option to filter our chat. Like just put to block any message with the word venue in it per example. That would fix a lot of your issues and would also be useful in a ton of other situations.
A new chat will just have the same issue in the future when someone sees too many of a certain kind of ad in it. Then we would have the "we need a new chat for x kind of venues".

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The difference between the solutions we have stated is that mine includes things that already exist as features in the game, draws from pf, chat, and fellowships , they just need a little adjustment to suit the needs of the players. Your suggestion requires something brand new to be implemented, which would be more cost to se. Either way tho something's gotta change cuz at this point it's not even a video game , it's more like second life or the sims

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Originally Posted by Padudu

For real, I don't get it lol. And let's keep in mind that hunt trains are contained to discord and usually never hit the main areas anyway. So any "gameplay" is not happening in shout chat, like at all lol. OP lives in Limsa.


Most venues are 18+ regardless if they're nightclub, bars, taverns ect. So you're missing out by putting 18+ tbh. Probably you could filter out "DJ" or something close to get rid of the nightclub ads.

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DJ would be a much better option, I hadn't thought of that.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

tbh the ads for the most part are not overly explicit. What people see usually is 18+. If an ad crosses that line I believe it's fine to report as many stated they already do. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a chat specifically for advertisements either, but shout chat in general would then need to be heavily moderated to make sure nothing slips through the crack which I do not see SE doing.

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But why would anyone want to waste their time using shout chat if they have a better option that reaches further with less effort? Surely if se announced a new means for people to advertise their social activities , they would also advise people about not using shout, the community would advise people about it as well, like they have in various other situations. Just like moving things to the other tab in pf, that went smooth as. And the venue people would all be happy they don't need to work as hard to advertise, so I doubt they'd push their luck by abusing all channels, they don't push their luck in pf

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

The problem with this logic is that it is unequivocally false. You are conflating two separate issues which have no correlation. If people are not talking, it's not because of shout chat, but because they have other avenues to talk in. Most people in this game appear shy, so they would likely remain in FC chat, party chat, or tells. However, you still get people talking in Shout chat occasionally or even say chat.

Wasn't this issue initially was that it is obstructive to gameplay like Hunts? Which still happen, I see them from time to time.

Everyone uses dungeons for experience.
People farm mounts constantly.
Everyone uses mitigation.

You can keep going, but you're wrong every time.

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You realize I'm basing this IN the history of this game and how it functions right? ARR had no DUngeon EXP at first, A LOT of people in this game use enviornmental observations prior to Cross Server and Cross DC travel as a means to extrapolate what is important in this game. I literally have done rouls where people thought Mit was unimportant based on what they saw other tanks doing.

I'm speaking on how people are talking out their necks and not considering more then the immediate surroundings and how a small fraction of people react in a given moment. SO the person who is wrong my friend, is you, Human Nature is very telling.

Also why are you arguing against RPers getting more features? If you aren't why are you starting a semantics debate? Both ways your post served no purpose.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

Wasn't this issue initially was that it is obstructive to gameplay like Hunts? Which still happen, I see them from time to time.

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I don't know about NA severs, but on my server, I occasionally see shouts as the hunt is about to start. In the area the mark is.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

It's because venue spam has taken it over , new people immediately turn it off, veteran players won't do that though, because we have used the chat for all kinds of things since before venues were so popular. And shout chat is still used for a lot of things related to gameplay and doing content. Also giving things away at random , etc. So I should turn off shout chat now after 9 years because venue people obnoxiously spam chat and I should miss out on these things ... This is the solution instead of giving them a better and easier way to be heard and seen? The logic behind arguing against this new and improved way for venues to get people at their door escapes me, and makes me concerned for humanity at the same time lmao

The fact that so many people immediately disable these chats upon starting the game, within a couple hours, should be a huge issue with venue people. They're driving away their own customers before they even get a chance to find out venues exist. Even more reason to support this.

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Not necessarily true (referring to my underlined comment). Hunts mainly operate over Discord/hunt linkshells. It's way easier to ping mass amounts of people in a server/have someone relay the message through linkshells than rely on shout chat to get the message across considering how large the hunt community has become (due in part to how the quickest route to getting EW relics done is by spamming trains for tomes). Now that cross-DC has become a thing, it's even more useful so people can be quickly notified for trains on other DCs compared to just their own. Discord might be a sore subject for some but it's ultimately just more efficient now an you can always go the linkshell route if you want a completely in-game option for hunts that won't be cluttered by spam.