Sell Fantasia on the Mogstation

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

I don't think there has to be any back story as to why they introduce Fantasia into the Mog Station. Hell, we re run the same dungeons day in day out. Yet the mobs are still there each time and he bosses some how come back?!?!

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Yes, with dungeons it is a rather necessary evil, you got no real option there. The internal logic of the world should be kept as much as possible, because that's what makes a great world for me.

Edit: One good example of something that actually did not need to be explained, but they chose to explain it due to allow it to be consistent with the internal logic of the world: the teleportation system.

They put effort into explaining why teleportation works like it works in this world. They took an effort into making teleportation something that makes sense within that world. And like I've written above: I do think they should try to keep the things consistent with the internal logic of the world as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Given this new information: it is clear that the Fantasia potions needs be kept rare to not break against the "Legend" status it currently has and I would definitely encourage SquareEnix to change the usage of the potion so that you have to wait until the ingame morning to see the change :).

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Any notion of something in the game's lore being "legendary" or "rare" has no bearing on game mechanics or its in-game availability. According to the game there is only ONE non-padjal white mage in existence. Just think about that for a bit.

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Originally Posted by Reyno

Any notion of something in the game's lore being "legendary" or "rare" has no bearing on game mechanics or its in-game availability. According to the game there is only ONE non-padjal white mage in existence. Just think about that for a bit.

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A well-crafted world tries its best to keep the game as consistent as possible with the internal logic of the world. SquareEnix has a done a great job so far and they should keep doing a as good job as possible. Sure, all will not follow the logic, like the respawning of dungeons, due to deep conflicts with game mechanics, but just because some parts have failed to follow the logic, it doesn't mean that should stop trying to do so for the rest of the game. They should try to follow the internal logic as much as possible. In the case of Fantasia, they are multiple ways to keep them consistent with the internal logic and I hope they do so.

I haven't played white mage, so I can't comment on your white mage statement.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

One good example of something that actually did not need to be explained, but they chose to explain it due to allow it to be consistent with the internal logic of the world: the teleportation system.

They put effort into explaining why teleportation works like it works in this world. They took an effort into making teleportation something that makes sense within that world. And like I've written above: I do think they should try to keep the things consistent with the internal logic of the world as much as possible.

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Yes, it does make sense for them to explain In-Game Mechanics, like teleporting.

But for a random item that not everyone will choose to partake in needs no back story. I don't recall them writing a back story in regards to World Transfer services.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

A well-crafted world tries its best to keep the game as consistent as possible with the internal logic of the world. SquareEnix has a done a great job so far and they should keep doing a as good job as possible. Sure, all will not follow the logic, like the respawning of dungeons, due to deep conflicts with game mechanics, but just because some parts have failed to follow the logic, it doesn't mean that should stop trying to do so for the rest of the game. They should try to follow the internal logic as much as possible. In the case of Fantasia, they are multiple ways to keep them consistent with the internal logic and I hope they do so.

I haven't played white mage, so I can't comment on your white mage statement.

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Like I said, this "internal logic" that you speak of is destroyed every time you play with a white mage. There is literally ONE white mage according to the game. Yet here we have WHMs running around all willy nilly, all wielding their pretty Thyrus relics. Speaking of relics, many of them are one-of-a-kind. One. This is as opposed to something like the fantasia potion which could easily become something mass produced by the alchemist guild. You speak of a "well-crafted world" but seem to ignore that everything you don't want is already happening all around you just for the sake of making an argument against fantasia potions? Just say that you don't want them to be purchasable items instead of creating a baseless argument.

It's ok, HurtigeKarl has been against this from the very beginning... I have no idea why either, changing someones personal appearance doesn't effect anyone whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Yes, with dungeons it is a rather necessary evil, you got no real option there. The internal logic of the world should be kept as much as possible, because that's what makes a great world for me.

Edit: One good example of something that actually did not need to be explained, but they chose to explain it due to allow it to be consistent with the internal logic of the world: the teleportation system.

They put effort into explaining why teleportation works like it works in this world. They took an effort into making teleportation something that makes sense within that world. And like I've written above: I do think they should try to keep the things consistent with the internal logic of the world as much as possible.

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Considering they already offered a maximum of two for some characters, this 'consistency' has already broken.

The would should contain some from of consistency, but seeing as they're adding this as an optional service now we can only hope that the (hopefully) high price will deter people from using this as a weekly "LOL i'll change to Lalafell this week", £15-20 is a HUGE amount of money, almost double the subscription most would pay. (Basing the price off other MMOs with a similar service)

It's been proven with other MMOs and the like that these services don't get abused often, your world consistency will be safe, however it won't be wrapped in cotton wool.

I can completely understand why you and many others (including myself) want it kept as a rare or expensive thing to deter players using it often.
I personally hate seeing people I've known as "That Lalafell" suddenly changing to a Roegadyn, but increasingly i've noticed that I get used to the change and completely forget about it within a few weeks and they simply become "That Roegdayn".

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

It's ok, HurtigeKarl has been against this from the very beginning... I have no idea why either, changing someones personal appearance doesn't effect anyone whatsoever.

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Not true, there are a lot of people in-game that you'll metter, get to know or simply recognise, there is an unsettled effect of inconsistency as to how you actually know that person based on their appearance when they suddenly change from a Lalafell to a Roegdayn. Saying it doesn't affect anyone else at all simply isn't true.

At the end of the day it is just a character and you can adjust to the new change, but saying people aren't affect by it is simply silly.

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Originally Posted by GabrielK

I'm pretty confident they'll add Fantasia potion as a paid optional service in the future.
The question is, when?

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No need for any confidence, it's already confirmed check the original post.

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Originally Posted by edweird

Got my fantasia today, after putting the request in on the 22nd.

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I put my ticket in on the same day and I'm still waiting. I've submitted several increasingly unsatisfied tickets and replies recently to try to prod them into action. So far I just keep getting the run around with obviously automated messages; it has been 22 days. If they are really doing these on a "first come first served" basis (I doubt) and they really have so many tickets that a simple item restore takes this long, then they should be hiring more staff. This is unacceptable for something that should take a couple of days.

I am actually thinking about quitting my game over not just this,
I have wrote them a few times via email with questions but I never get answers or even acknowledgement of the questions that I have asked about either my account or ingame issues. This tells me A lot and the fact that I was told I could have my game account banned for talking about customer service and when something is posted as a due date or a promise to the customer of that when it is broken and not a single word or update I called it false advertisement I was threatened. Know this SE, I was never bashing or putting the company down and I did not break the tos at all please review what I wrote you through my email. I have never been through this with any game before. I just want customer service and an open forum that they can talk back to us like 99.99% of games do!

P.S. The thing that bugs me most is Final Fantasy is my favorite roleplaying game(s) rather offline or online and I as many support you SE, Please show us something back :)

I'm talking the entire history of final fantasy is a big part of my world and many others...
I remember when ff8 came out and they did a thing with Toyota and squall standing next to this new car, I went to game stop and bought this huge sign with the artwork for it. Also ff7 has been a huge part of my love for rpg's as well as the music that nobuo uematsu put out for the majority of the games including ff a realm reborn, The art style, Everything.

I love stuff like in this picture (detail) Concept Art
http://www.selectgame.com.br/wp-cont...ept-Art-01.jpg

I agree. Many players are requesting Vials of Fantasia to change their race. I am tired of looking at my female roegadyn that I even started a new character just to play on the side. Please SE, make this an available option soon. If not pay through mogstation, at least an let us buy it with in game currancy such as 50,000 Grand Company seals or tomestones of philosophy.

Still phial-less at 36 days and counting....

So, yeah; hopefully this answers the question for anyone questioning the validity of the "first-come, first serve" canned response. While I'm truly happy for them, there are people in this thread that have gotten their phial restored that filed their requests THIS MONTH, while many of us are still waiting from December, and appear no closer to getting ours than the day we created the ticket. Awesome customer service.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

No need for any confidence, it's already confirmed check the original post.

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Ah, sweet !

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Originally Posted by Gretchen

While I'm truly happy for them, there are people in this thread that have gotten their phial restored that filed their requests THIS MONTH, while many of us are still waiting from December, and appear no closer to getting ours than the day we created the ticket. Awesome customer service.

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What makes this all the more unsatisfactory is that we are paying the same monthly subscription we would pay for other games with better customer service. The GMs for a certain game starting with "W", even during its enormously high sub count peak, could restore entire characters within a week; those characters could have been gone for nearly a year or more. I have also received the same level of service from multiple other MMOs, some of them completely or partially f2p. This is the first MMO I've played to have such comparatively appalling service. It is not acceptable for us to be paying the same for less.

I really hope we receive more information in the upcoming letter... and I REALLY hope we get this before 2.2, because that's months away.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Not true, there are a lot of people in-game that you'll metter, get to know or simply recognise, there is an unsettled effect of inconsistency as to how you actually know that person based on their appearance when they suddenly change from a Lalafell to a Roegdayn. Saying it doesn't affect anyone else at all simply isn't true.

At the end of the day it is just a character and you can adjust to the new change, but saying people aren't affect by it is simply silly.

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That's like saying "No, you can't buy a new car.. because I'm used to you driving that crappy one.."

Changing someones appearance is perfectly fine unless you're a die-hard role player that wants to recognize people based on their race, and even that... you can't force someone to stay that way just to please your immersion, which is why I fully disagree with HurtigeKarl.

Why should someones role playing agenda affect how I play the game? unless they are paying my sub, I should be free to do whatever I please in terms of my characters appearance.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Changing someones appearance is perfectly fine unless you're a die-hard role player that wants to recognize people based on their race, and even that... you can't force someone to stay that way just to please your immersion, which is why I fully disagree with HurtigeKarl.

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You don't have to be a die-hard role-player to enjoy the consistency of the lore and the world around you. I personally liked the consistency of everyone staying the same, but at the same time I don't mind if they switch* its something I get used to over time as I made very clear in my last point.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Why should someones role playing agenda affect how I play the game? unless they are paying my sub, I should be free to do whatever I please in terms of my characters appearance.

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No-one is forcing anyone to do anything, don't make a mountain out of a mole-hill. You've taken what someone has posted as their opinion (even if the tone may come across as aggressive) as base-fact. You have the ability to change your appearance with an optional service coming in the near future, this shouldn't tickle your sensitivity anywhere near this much.


You also may have misconstrued my original point, I'm not against adding and or the use of Phials of Fantasia at all, I can just understand their point-of-view on it too instead of shoving my own opinion down as the most important thing in the world.


People could argue this back and forth for years, but the decision was already made when they were made available originally. That however doesn't mean he can't provide his opinion on it.

I'm simply making the point that the change does affect the people around you and saying otherwise is simply silly, but even with that being said no-one is forcing a "YOU CANT DO THIS" on you, they can say they don't like it but it's already been done.



*I used my original appearance change plus two Fantasias so far and it only proved my point further, in that every time I changed people were confused, shocked, annoyed or happy with the change.

I honestly just wish they'd say SOMETHING about when to expect this and the name change service. This is obviously a pretty popular feature that has been requested many times, and with no updates and no implementation in sight, it is making me a bit critical of their speed in which they add things to the game.

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Originally Posted by Fayble

I agree. Many players are requesting Vials of Fantasia to change their race. I am tired of looking at my female roegadyn that I even started a new character just to play on the side. Please SE, make this an available option soon. If not pay through mogstation, at least an let us buy it with in game currancy such as 50,000 Grand Company seals or tomestones of philosophy.

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Ironically I feel the same, yet I want to be a Female Roe. you always want what you can't have eh?

Bump for answers!

That would make me happy :)

Come on with the name change and Fantasia. As stated many times before, extra cash flow for Square Enix. Win win all around.

I'm really hoping they give a release date for this in the next live letter >w>

I just received my fantasia in the mail. It took 24 days since I submitted my original ticket. I do believe what sealed the deal is that less than 12 hours ago I submitted a ticket that indicated how unsatisfied I was with the wait time and how many other MMOs that charge the same subscription have much better service.

My main issue is that this doesn't even require a patch, a simple website update and it's done.. the item is already in the game and they already have a means of distribution (mog mail)

I wonder what's taking so long :P

Well, I might finally be getting somewhere with my case of nearly 40 days.
On Monday, I sent in yet another reply. As politely as I could, I expressed disappointment in my item restoration experience as a paying customer. I also made mention of their apparent inequity with how they are fulfilling these requests.

This morning, I received a reply that said my case has been personally escalated, and would receive the phial within 24 hours. I'll let you know how it goes.

As someone who tries to be a polite, friendly person, it kinda saddens me that I had to darken my tone with them to get anywhere with this.

I received my phial about 30 minutes ago.

i'm happy for all the people finally received their Fantasia. i just cant bring myself to use the 1-time item restore on this :( as alrdy been mentioned by so many people, why is it taking so long for this to happen? just put it in motion alrdy, we'll get what we want and u'll get more money from us..what's the problem?

I'm pleased to announce that after 24 agonizing days of waiting, I've finally received my restored Phial of Fantasia! The process really does work, it just takes FORVER! Hope this gives some people a small glimmer of hope.

Except for the people who don't want to restore their vial by item restore or already restored another item.

A name change would be much appreciated!

So this restoration of the vial... we submit this in-game? Sounds promising!

they should make forum contests to win one fantasia, and add a cooldown for 24 days or 30 days or a montly veteran reward

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Originally Posted by Alish

I don't see what the big deal would be if someone decides they'd fork over the cash to pay for something entirely cosmetic, IE it doesn't change or affect your game play experience WHAT so ever so why should some of you care what someone wants to do with their character or not.

Its their money, not yours, its their character, NOT yours. Its also UNIQUE-UNTRADEABLE its not like people can turn around and SELL them. This is LITERALLY no different than someone paying for a server transfer, its a SERVICE. If you don't want it, DON'T BUY IT, no one is forcing you to.

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AMEN TO THAT !!!! I WANNA CHANGE MY APPEARANCE WHEN I WANT, AND I'LL PAY WHEN I WANT.

No, A courtesy fantasia potion would make more logic since they will be selling these on mog station soon, I don't understand why it has to fall in the 1 time restore method. I used mine a while back and was really upset because my swimsuit did not convert to a female so I wanted to be a male again basically with what I started as. I mean you can go make a new character and bam there is a new fantasia potion in that new characters mail but we can not transfer or trade it so I don't understand why I am waiting so long for it. And I do not understand why this one item should take the 1 life time restore its madness.

In aion we could have a gm restore an item if it was deleted or sold within a certain amount of time, I deleted my characters on aion and they restored those too but the limit was 3 times on characters and it took maybe 2 days max to get an item restored. I don't see why im waiting this long but tbh if I don't get it by the time my sub is up I will be looking for another game to play and have been since I can not stand to play a female character period!

Reading all these posts I guess I got lucky. I followed the instructions to ask my fantasia potion back through the one item restore and I got it in my mail roughly 3 hours later.

I just want to drop this here again so people confused about using the restoration service know how to send in a ticket. It's not entirely straight forward.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Sorry for the late reply, had to log on to the game to explain it better. :D

Press Esc to go to System Menu > Support Desk > click "Search Database" (you can leave the field empty) > click "Support Team"

From there I set Question 1 as "In-Game" and Question 2 as "Game Master Services"

Title: Item Restoration: Fantasia

In the body I basically said that I made a mistake with my original Phial and I would please like to use my one time item restoration service to have my Phial of Fantasia restored.

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And remember, keep it short, polite, and to the point.

Bump for Dev response!

Do you get the vial after 30 account days, or 30 PAID account days?

Appears this coming maintenance messes with the Mogstation.. Am I getting my hopes up too high?

Finally got my Fantasia yesterday. Pretty much told them that this is the poorest excuse for a 'customer service team' I've ever seen. Never have I been given the run around on a service that I have paid for and continue to pay for. IDK if that made them push it through faster, or it was just coincidence. But it was literally a few hours later.