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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

49 skills out of which you can only equip 24 at a time. 49 skills out of which many are effectively the same skill with different elements because you need to be able to perform adequately in the Carnivale regardless of enemy elements. Skills that might actually hinder your progress in most content catered even for BLU like Final Sting and Self Destruct.

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24 at a time, but still 49 skills, and more will come at lv60 BLU. And yep, they're useful in the Carnival, that's the point.

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Originally Posted by Awful

You're right we got worse than generic abilities we got very situational Carnival fodder moves and the rest are AoEs how intuitive I think the best spells (if you can call them "best") are probably Bad Breath, Song of Torment, Boost, Off-Guard, and White Wind wanna know why? Because they're actually useful even at lvl 50, which is why Song of Torment is lvl 50 since it's powerful DoT the rest are just stuns and sleeps and freezes etc that can't even combo off regular bosses which is why Carnival is sadly the only "endgame" when we were promised a solo job that was OP it's not.

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It is OP at lv50 content. Just read the skill descriptions to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I hit 50 today and I spent all day trying to get Primal Abilities as well as Dungeon ones why is there such terrible RNG? The guy who made Atma designed this and I already dreaded what was gonna happen, lo and behold it's more low % RNG while you AFK and 1 person solos the boss, brilliant gameplay. It didn't destroy it's essence but if this is what the future of BLU is not even the Carnival is gonna save it I did multiple fights and all you do is find the 3-5 abilities that'll cheese you through that fight and you move onto the next easy gimmicky fight, most of it was forgettable but it's okay we saved BLUs identity even though we have a low tiered-multi-useless collectathon mage thanks SE.

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Yep, RNG is pretty bad. I got Glower at the second try, and I did 30+ Garuda EX and still didn't get the skill.

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Originally Posted by Awful

As for who cares about killing bosses and the like a lot of people got BLU being promised that we could solo things such as EX primals we can't we need parties it's almost like we have to do duties on a solo class GASP not to mention you have to get Mind Blast and Glower which don't always drop so thanks for that too SE. BLU is a trainwreck and we're the beta testers for it if they plan on revamping the combat they better nail it because if this is a sign to come from BLU it's not looking good for ShB.

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Why would you want to solo lv50 EX content as lv50 BLU anyways?

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Originally Posted by Jandor

The reveal video was a blue mage fighting Shiva solo and learning her bow move.

That was followed by a slide that said:

• Designed for solo play.
• Not suited for Parties.

They explained that they had made this decision because BLU is too tough to balance properly.

I mean, come on, if you can't see how all that is incredibly misleading then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

It is OP at lv50 content. Just read the skill descriptions to figure it out.

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Yep totally OP lemme just solo Ifrit HM because all I can do is spam heal and slowly wittle his HP down to learn 1 spell when I can just get a lvl 70 person to waste their time doing it, or suicide and not learn it great OP skills! I'd rather do Ifrit normal because it's actually soloable for the wrong reasons what a concept.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

Yep, RNG is pretty bad. I got Glower at the second try, and I did 30+ Garuda EX and still didn't get the skill. Why would you want to solo lv50 EX content as lv50 BLU anyways?

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You..just answered your own question? That's the only reason you do the EX trials for the spells to do Carnival then you never go back to do it again after slogging through 6+ hours today and getting 1 spell I can safely say that the endgame of BLU is just not suited for the game. It's been done and offers nothing of value other than collecting spells for the sake of it, why should I have to rely on other classes when I'm a "solo class"? Why do I need to bug lvl 70s to bring me into Ramuh EX? These are design choices SE made themselves so don't look at me and say "oh they are OP just figure it out" it's a time waster to solo Ifrit HM yourself for example when you can farm normal mode to take 1 min to kill him.

You're really not really making sense here when the endgame is to get these spells to do Carnival when the endgame is lackluster at 50, the game does a whole 180 what was fun leveling and getting spells is now a chore and unfun riddled by RNG and asking for people to do your EX primals, when they leave the groups leave it's not great game design.

Been a few days and honeymoon period for BLU seems to be dying out pretty quickly. I'm hearing complaints about how low the drop rate of spells for primals is. How simple Carnivale can be done with so few spells. How the job is boring to play (outside of memes) because so few spells are useful. The overworld didn't get any more fun. BLU isn't broken and is actually underpowered when cheese doesn't work. I'll give it a few more days to see if opinions change at all.

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Originally Posted by Awful

You're really not really making sense here when the endgame is to get these spells to do Carnival when the endgame is lackluster at 50, the game does a whole 180 what was fun leveling and getting spells is now a chore and unfun riddled by RNG and asking for people to do your EX primals, when they leave the groups leave it's not great game design.

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It's annoying because they could have made gathering these high end primal skills a BLU mini-game in itself.

More elemental skills, a whole range of fire spells for example, and if you queue as a solo BLU for Shiva Ex then elemental weaknesses and strengths are loaded in as well. A "default" 50 BLU isn't OP against Shiva, but loaded out with fire spells you've collected, you could do it.

Could have possibly put a cool spin on some old fights.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

The reveal video was a blue mage fighting Shiva solo and learning her bow move.

That was followed by a slide that said:

• Designed for solo play.
• Not suited for Parties.

They explained that they had made this decision because BLU is too tough to balance properly.

I mean, come on, if you can't see how all that is incredibly misleading then I don't know what to tell you.

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Job gameplay trailers SE has released in the past have shown the job in question fighting an enemy with no one else around in a clearly staged situation [NIN, SAM, RDM etc], why would I assume this time that it wasn't a staged situation? Clips to show you could learn Shiva's bow attack, and showing off spells it could learn? Reveal trailer shows cut clips of 4 different BLU spells being used and then cuts to the action learned screen as Shiva is defeated before cutting to a clip of Shiva's bow attack. If that doesn't come off as staged to you I'm not sure what to tell you.

As for that slideshow as a whole, it goes into details in the slides of that presentation as to those working points of "Designed for solo play" and "Not suited for Parties";

"Since the capabilities of a blue mage are dependent upon what abilities they have learned, they can only participate in instanced duties as members of a preformed party."

Talking on why SE deems it is not suited for party play but also the slides go on to say that part of the progression involves grouping up and partaking in preformed parties.

And it also goes into talking about the Masked Carnival a solo only feature for BLU that the job is clearly being designed around.

"Upon attaining level 50, you may use the many abilities you have learned to undertake unique challenges in this blue mage exclusive arena."

"While blue mages can learn abilities while in parties, the Masked Carnivale can only be accessed by solo blue mages."

After viewing the entire presentation when it happened, I was never under the impression that BLU was going to be an OP powerhouse and soloing EX Primals and I'm certainly not going to get upset over promises that were never made to me.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

And it also goes into talking about the Masked Carnival a solo only feature for BLU that the job is clearly being designed around.

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RDM is about the one job that can solo PotD. It can still perform admirably in group content. Saying BLU has a solo mode, and saying BLU is designed for solo play are two completely different things. The Devs said one thing; we got the other. If they weren't intentionally misleading or just misinformed, that entire presentation is one of the biggest cases of poor phrasing I have ever seen in my life.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

RDM is about the one job that can solo PotD. It can still perform admirably in group content. Saying BLU has a solo mode, and saying BLU is designed for solo play are two completely different things. The Devs said one thing; we got the other. If they weren't intentionally misleading or just misinformed, that entire presentation is one of the biggest cases of poor phrasing I have ever seen in my life.

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How is content designed exclusively for BLU to play solo and BLU being "designed for solo play" two completely different things? PotD isn't designed to be solo'd exclusively by RDM and RDM wasn't exclusively designed for the purpose of soloing PotD.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

How is content designed exclusively for BLU to play solo and BLU being "designed for solo play" two completely different things?

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That question shames both of us, I hope you realize that. BLU could've been an unlimited job but still had the Masked Carnivale all to its own. Similar to how every job in the game is designed for solo play in some form or another because the MSQ doesn't let you bring friends. The difference is, all other jobs also play nice with others. BLU doesn't and it has nothing to do with the Masked Carnivale.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

That question shames both of us, I hope you realize that. BLU could've been an unlimited job but still had the Masked Carnivale all to its own.

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You were the one who posited that they were two completely different things, I'm just asking for clarification.

Well, I'm lv10 and I'm bored already. Not saying my opinion is supposed to invalidate this content, but this clearly isn't my kind of content.

What I know is that some arguments made previously in favor of Limited Blue Mage have been kind of dropped. As I though, what they were saying with "identity" was never about the "we have to have all the classic skills in Blue Mage, and they have to be faithful to their classic effect and/or to the mob's version of the attack, and that's why the Blue Mage would be OP in regular content", it was just about "Blue Mage collects skills from monsters, regardless of whether they're the classic Blue Mage skills or not".

There are a few classic skills missing afterall, from what I looked into: Goblin Punch, Matra Magic, Angel Whisper, Frog Song, Blaster, Acid, etc (not saying they might not be added in the future). And the spells are not even exactly the same as the monster version, from what I've heard. It's all about collecting skills from monsters. That's the "identity" part of it. And if that's the case, the excuse of "the spells are too OP to be balanced, or if they are nerfed too much they won't be the same classic spells and it won't be faithful to Blue Mage" doesn't seem to hold much water. Speaking of which, I spent most of my time as Blue spamming Water Cannon, because the other skills I collected seemed mostly useless. Maybe I was playing it wrong. It's most likely. But I still don't feel invested enough to spend much more time doing this, especially when people say that it gets worse when you have to start going into dungeons and Primal EX, so it's a pass for me.

But I'm lucky that I can use my favorite FF classes (Samurai and Dragoon) in regular battle content (and most importantly the MSQ). I can understand that those that had Blue Mage as their favorite feel very discontent now.

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Originally Posted by TheHeavenAbyss

Speaking of which, I spent most of my time as Blue spamming Water Cannon, because the other skills I collected seemed mostly useless. Maybe I was playing it wrong.

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Don't worry, you're only slightly playing it wrong, you actually just need to spam 1000 needles for 50 levels.

I think I'm able to articulate how I feel about Blue mage better, for me, the first 1-30 levels of Blue mage were fantastic, I loved learning skills and feeling like I had this ever growing arsenal of spells and picking which ones to choose for the next encounter, this was highlighted as I noticed I could actually kill mobs that were 5 or even 10 levels higher than myself. I'd figure out this mini-rotation to cc the enemy to kill them as safely and consistently as possible, it was the most interaction I'd ever had with mobs, and the best part was, I was doing it I was going out there, I was learning the skills and I was smartly using them.

I'd learn a skill, then go back to grinding for levels, learn a skill etc etc, and then I got 1000 needles, and then I started having A LOT of fun until I realized. I wasn't, I don't know whether it was my gear being low or me not optimizing but all of the skills that I came to like just, become useless once I got 1000. It could one or two shot any mob, did better than decent AOE on three or more enemies (More than mind blast or goblin bomb) and was just the best thing.

And then I just stopped having fun, encounters boiled down to, Acorn Blast > 1000 needles > Maybe a bad breath > 1000 needles. I would still use the odd toad oil > self-destruct for fun and spice but, it just felt stale at level 36.

And then I realized, BLU is like, a gacha game, you get these quick fixes of skills early game that feels good, but eventually wears off, where instead with a regular job you have these skills that are given to you and most are these, pieces of a puzzle that you slowly start to put together with a specific purpose to help you do what your role is meant to do best and in the end feels like you've mastered a patterned dance.

I can't say which is objectively better but I love the learning mechanic, can we really not have a regular job on top of it? is it really asking too much?

So BLU was every bit as bad as I had worried and yet worse. The only thing I figured they might get right, especially with the implication it was too powerful for parties, was the spells. At 30 I'm really really frustrated by how bad the spells so far are. The few early level spells are mostly useless, and it seems to be able to do any damage you just need to spam 1000 needles. Only the 50 tier stuff looks like they put much thought into it.

I loved BLU in XI and it just blows my mind how much better designed that was compared to this. Getting new spells felt rewarding and the leveling experience was enhanced by the excitement of getting new spells to play with. It's sad that the first 6 spells you can get as BLU in XI eclipse most of the first 20 you can get in XIV.

With time to play and max the class out with around 31 spells acquired I think its safe to say that while some aspects are fun the limited concept just doesnt work for longevity. The Masked Carnivale is a glorified set of Guildhests with Eureka’s Elemental system, most of your spells underperform regardless of INT scaling be it due to resistances or just the overall potency and the majority of what you acquire is cone/AoE spells that were built solely for the Carnivale in mind. The class itself has potential with the learning mechanic but none of their reasonings as to why the class had to be locked out from regular DF even holds water, hell even their “one shot” Omega excuse doesnt hold up when Primals and most bosses resist one of the few OP spells, Missile. Sadly I predict that the class will quiet down in a week or two from now and the next level cap update will do nothing to address its shortcomings especialy when their excuses for “Limited” hold no weight.

To be completely honest, Even with just Water Cannon BLU is about as useful as a proper job.

Edit: Actually, let me reword my thoughts here.

Against content that matters BLU is hilariously useless compared to proper jobs.

In that content, a BLU with only Water Cannon is about as useful as a BLU with 40 spells.

Granted, you can edge out Water Cannon a bit with Glower, Song of Torment, and some Primal spells, but that still leaves BLU weaker than a Lv.50 DPS with 130 gear.
Focusing on DPS, BLU is weaker than it's counterparts
Focusing on Healing, any powerful raid-wide hit will turn your healing potency into garbage.
Focusing on Tanking, you are still squishier than any tank

There's tricks, like Healers and Tanks both running Vit accs, and Healers basically just being OT's, but overall ability is too low across the board.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

The class itself has potential with the learning mechanic but none of their reasonings as to why the class had to be locked out from regular DF even holds water, hell even their “one shot” Omega excuse doesnt hold up when Primals and most bosses resist one of the few OP spells, Missile.

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That excuse always seemed odd to me. Like, in most if not all FFs where you have Blue Magic and instant kill abilities, bosses and important mobs are immune anyway. I seriously doubt someone would say "What? I can't one shot a boss?! This isn't a real Blue Mage!" Make instant death spells useless in DF content (maybe just nerfed for mobs). I'd rather have one or two spells "locked out" of DF than the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by TheHeavenAbyss

That excuse always seemed odd to me. Like, in most if not all FFs where you have Blue Magic and instant kill abilities, bosses and important mobs are immune anyway. I seriously doubt someone would say "What? I can't one shot a boss?! This isn't a real Blue Mage!" Make instant death spells useless in DF content (maybe just nerfed for mobs). I'd rather have one or two spells "locked out" of DF than the whole thing.

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It's odd to advertise it as a solo job just for it to be underwhelming as it is. It kinda makes you wonder about the whole thing.

I still don't entirely know how I feel about the whole thing. I do wish it could be used in more things though. That said I feel to need to drop this one more time because it keeps getting ignored that in their own presentation SE already noted that BLU teaming up/making parties was part of their progression

https://i.imgur.com/zcVr0jv.png

I think with the job finally being launched and have experienced how it is to play with it I can finally give a solid opinion about this topic..

I'll simply quote myself from another thread about BLU for matched content.

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While BLU's tanking abilities can ruin any regular run of content if a player is clueless or malicious enough, the job itself doesn't break ARR content (RDM's ridiculous potencies break ARR content more than BLU can do it really) so I can't see why it is gutted from random matching on the Duty Finder, specially it all being 4-year old dungeons, raids and trials.

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Finally having access to the list of BLU skills, it seems like the excuses of overpowered abilities (which they already have certain bosses immune to) were just an excuse for the actual issue, that they just weren't able to make an interesting rotation.

Some abilities were tied to others (namely chimera skills + primal abilities), so they're not totally averse to the idea of making combos with abilities from different enemies, they just didn't do anything with it. So instead we just get a bunch of abilities that do 120 (or 130!) potency in different aoe shapes.

No reason they couldn't have made a few easy-to-get singular abilities that were "good enough" (like early DRG impulse drive spam), but that if you gathered a bunch of other skills you'd begin to get an actual rotation together that would yield total higher potency.

Now having gotten BLU to 50 and tried out getting some primal abilities and messing around with it, my opinion is that BLU is too conflicted to be anything currently.

Given how bosses are mostly immune to their attacks BLU could have been given some more solid abilities, buffed up and made a normal job with the carnival as an addition. Right now while you may be able to utterly destroy trash mobs, bosses pretty much laugh at you, if we were back in the 2.0 days BLU would be shunned from pretty much all content and would be begging for buffs. I felt useless going after those primal abilities, pretty much not even really contributing just getting carried.

They need to commit to a path for Limited jobs because right now it feels like their trying too hard to walk a line that's just leaving them feeling lacklustre.
Either, balance them, give them some core skills and let them function as standard jobs with some fun bells and whistles or just throw off the chains, let them be busted, two shot primal's, solo raids and just be monsters of the content their allowed to do, let them earn their limited status.
Because right now, the only way they're earning it is that you'd not want to subject others to having to carry them in the duty finder.

BLU should be able to solo or with just other BLU's do everything their allowed to do, and well enough for it to feel fun and worth it over just getting a max level normal job to carry them, if limited jobs are going to work they need to feel mighty in the box they've been confined to.

When I come away from playing BLU to 35 and reading things like the experience gain notice...

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...19f12c9b8b10f7

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Blue Mages gain increased experience!
We also increased your companions experience gain to entice people to play with them!
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Oh no! Too many people are doing exactly what we intended using their companions with Blue Mage!

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There's an analogue for the design behind BLU in here somewhere. Either because of the XP gains or outlier skills we ended up with a knee capped job. Sure is fun needing to get carried by a friend there SE, all for the goal of doing solo content...

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

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What I find interesting, is blu's core design actually lends itself to group play really quite well. DPS wise, even with the primal abilities its still not top of the pack, however as a support, its actually really good. Peculiar Light could make for interesting meta caster parties, (i mean maybe toned down cos 30% is whew), and it fits an interesting niche of a shit tonne of aoe splash damage, so in a situation with an add spawn, if you time it to get off guard on the add, you could still keep uptime on the main boss as well with splash from the primal skills/ aoe filler. I could see it very easily being in the meta balance as the ninja of casters, low personal deeps, with an invaluable strong magic "Trick attack", as well as bad breath as an on demand reprisal. Its so very nearly there as balanced job idea that its baffling it became this... thing. I'm still a very strong advocate of a "core" BLU list of spells that once you've learned and equipped, you're allowed in DF and raids.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

What I find interesting, is blu's core design actually lends itself to group play really quite well. DPS wise, even with the primal abilities its still not top of the pack, however as a support, its actually really good. Peculiar Light could make for interesting meta caster parties, (i mean maybe toned down cos 30% is whew), and it fits an interesting niche of a shit tonne of aoe splash damage, so in a situation with an add spawn, if you time it to get off guard on the add, you could still keep uptime on the main boss as well with splash from the primal skills/ aoe filler. I could see it very easily being in the meta balance as the ninja of casters, low personal deeps, with an invaluable strong magic "Trick attack", as well as bad breath as an on demand reprisal. Its so very nearly there as balanced job idea that its baffling it became this... thing. I'm still a very strong advocate of a "core" BLU list of spells that once you've learned and equipped, you're allowed in DF and raids.

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I agree, they can work as a full job, more work was done to that end than we thought, it's either that or go nuts with them being limited, let them feel like the biggest baddest fish in their limited pond. Or let them out of it.

I gave up farming the Primal Spells and just did the Carnival, all I did was use Bristle > Off-Guard > Moonflute > Peculiar Light > Final Sting and get a crit or DH crit and you can win every Act in a second.

Such riveting design.

Oh yeah Dooms a good trophy prize it doesn't affect bosses and rarely works thanks SE now I have no reason to do the Primal fights unless I wanna have them for novelty.

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Originally Posted by TheHeavenAbyss

Like, in most if not all FFs where you have Blue Magic and instant kill abilities, bosses and important mobs are immune anyway.

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You can cheese several bosses in offline FFs with BLU (or something else) but it doesn't really matter because there's no balance to focus on. But it was still fun to turn Garula into a Frog, use Moonflute on another to kill it in one hit after, of use exploder on a BLU boss so that he will use it back and kill itself.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

I'll simply quote myself from another thread about BLU for matched content.

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The reason BLU is excluded from matchmaking is not (at least "not only") for its potencies, but the uncertainty of its setup. You could technically end up with a BLU that didn't learn any of the spell or simply set them "bad". By excluding it, it actually protects people from being paired with "bad" BLUs.

On top of that, you'd also have a very different end result between a BLU lvl 18 in Sastasha and a BLU lvl50, that learned all the EX primal spells, synced 18 in the same Sastasha, even if both players play the job perfectly.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Its so very nearly there as balanced job idea that its baffling it became this... thing. I'm still a very strong advocate of a "core" BLU list of spells that once you've learned and equipped, you're allowed in DF and raids.

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I completely agree. The Active Set saving function for skills could be used to force BLU to have 24 predetermined skills before queuing for any content they are currently banned from. A "Dungeon Set" where the skills have already been placed but show up as question marks until they have been unlocked. The spells could also have a minimum level when used as part of the Dungeon Set, so BLU has about the same amount of spells as other jobs when synched in the DF.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I completely agree. The Active Set saving function for skills could be used to force BLU to have 24 predetermined skills before queuing for any content they are currently banned from. A "Dungeon Set" where the skills have already been placed but show up as question marks until they have been unlocked.

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I also agree with this. I would get behing the idea of "Advanced Jobs" as someone already suggested, as in "this job does not level and learn skills the same as others and requires you to put a little bit more effort into unlocking the things you need to go into the DF", so that people who want to level it know what they're getting into (and content like Masked Carnival would be a "reward" for leveling a more complicated job). If a job that has to be balanced like the others AND has a horizontal progression requires a lot of work I would be fine if we got only one job like that in an expansion instead of 2 or 3 regular ones.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

It's annoying because they could have made gathering these high end primal skills a BLU mini-game in itself.

More elemental skills, a whole range of fire spells for example, and if you queue as a solo BLU for Shiva Ex then elemental weaknesses and strengths are loaded in as well. A "default" 50 BLU isn't OP against Shiva, but loaded out with fire spells you've collected, you could do it.

Could have possibly put a cool spin on some old fights.

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Just to add to my own previous post. Elements could have been something cool to apply to BLU in general, when you're using the job a little symbol showing an enemies elemental alignment appears next to their name, clearing duties solo as a BLU then becomes a matter of building a load out for dealing with elemental strengths and weaknesses of the mobs in it.

So it would/could be OP, but it's not brute force OP, it's building a deliberately OP skill set in order to clear content solo.

Solo BLU can do more on its own, it justifies its limited job restriction, and BLU's with friends can carry on getting carried to abilities.

I mean, I'd prefer a real job, but as others have said: if it's to be limited, take full advantage of that limit.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Just to add to my own previous post. Elements could have been something cool to apply to BLU in general, when you're using the job a little symbol showing an enemies elemental alignment appears next to their name, clearing duties solo as a BLU then becomes a matter of building a load out for dealing with elemental strengths and weaknesses of the mobs in it.

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On another topic, I suggested that Off-Guard would apply a proper element weakness to the target allowing you and your teammates to benefit from it. Since Eurka already covers lots of monster types, I don't think it would be that difficult to apply to all monsters an innate element and the corresponding weakness. And it would make low manning not a full-BLU activity.

Ultimately. I feel this is a beta test. It feels exactly like they are trying something with blu and are waiting to see the data they get back. Going forward I seal them adopting the system mentioned here where if you have set these 24 abilities you can use the duty roulette.

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Originally Posted by Hyala

Ultimately. I feel this is a beta test. It feels exactly like they are trying something with blu and are waiting to see the data they get back. Going forward I seal them adopting the system mentioned here where if you have set these 24 abilities you can use the duty roulette.

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ive had thought that this is just a joke or test and they release blue mage as a real DPS in ShB
while this blue mage is just sand box side content that upgrades every so often

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The reason BLU is excluded from matchmaking is not (at least "not only") for its potencies, but the uncertainty of its setup. You could technically end up with a BLU that didn't learn any of the spell or simply set them "bad". By excluding it, it actually protects people from being paired with "bad" BLUs.

On top of that, you'd also have a very different end result between a BLU lvl 18 in Sastasha and a BLU lvl50, that learned all the EX primal spells, synced 18 in the same Sastasha, even if both players play the job perfectly.

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This argument fell flat the second we discovered that job quests were locked behind learning specific abilities, 2 of which required entering instances. BLU not having abilities is literally no different than someone queueing without job crystals, their ARR/HW/70 job quests completed, or adequate gear.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

This argument fell flat the second we discovered that job quests were locked behind learning specific abilities, 2 of which required entering instances.

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Except that, again, BLU have to chose their spells, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to equip their tank stance or DPS refusing to equip their enmity tool or party buffs because they only care about their personal DPS. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Except that, again, BLU can chose their spell, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to use their tank stance or DPS refusing to manage their enmity. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

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I can take all my spells off my hotbars, same thing.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Except that, again, BLU have to chose their spells, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to equip their tank stance or DPS refusing to equip their enmity tool or party buffs because they only care about their personal DPS. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

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Not that different. Plenty of tanks already refuse to use tank stance, plenty of DPS already refuse to manage enmity. Functionally there isn't much difference between someone not equipping skills and someone just not using them, and there is plenty of the latter in DF already.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I can take all my spells off my hotbars, same thing.

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Ok, you really should dig deeper into the definition of "same". Because not having the skill unlocked, equipped, or set on hotbar, are three separate things.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Functionally there isn't much difference between someone not equipping skills and someone just not using them, and there is plenty of the latter in DF already.

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No, there is a big difference between not using a skill you have and not having the skill. Like I said, you can't blame a lvl30 BLU for not using Eruption, even if a synced lvl 50 BLU would have it learned and would use it.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Ok, you really should dig deeper into the definition of "same". Because not having the skill unlocked, equipped, or set on hotbar, are three separate things.

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Or maybe you should just accept that regardless of having to set abilities or not, being locked out of DF in their current state is laughable.

Any BLU choosing to not equip skills has every right to be kicked from a duty, no different to kicking someone for playing bad and not using half their kit.

they could make doing all the current story quests the requirement to unlock df as for it a Blu would have:
Water Cannon, Faze, 1k needles, Mind Blast, Glower, Blood drain
Have finished masked carnivale challenge 25 which has adapting to boss buffs, better aoe dodging then Novice Network (it might be possible with just above skills as 1k is physical so i'll assume yes till proven no)
Decent left side gear - wep ofc