Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Yes, how else would we know you are self-righteous or morally good? These are the same people who want to tell you they are vegan and better than you because they are vegan. Also, Square Enix has no right to ban your account if you are speaking off their platform. This is an actual infringement of your rights as your speech in the public sphere is none of their business, even if you are distributing add-ons etc. Trying to social Engineer a population when off your game by holding a sword of Damocles above their head is an abomination, and they should be sued over this if it happens.

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We all play FFXIV via user-agreement license which states they can terminate your service at any time, without reason. So they literally can do whatever they want. They almost never tell you what you were banned / suspended for, because they don't have to. They don't actually have to justify anything.

It literally is written as:
YOU ACQUIRE NO OWNERSHIP OR PROPERTY RIGHTS IN ANY CHARACTER OR OTHER IN-GAME VIRTUAL GOOD, AND ARE ONLY LICENSED TO USE SUCH CHARACTERS AND ASSETS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE AGREEMENTS. YOU AGREE THAT YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT AND ANY VIRTUAL GOODS AND CHARACTERS DO NOT HAVE ANY MONETARY VALUE. SQUARE ENIX MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNTS, CHARACTERS, VIRTUAL GOODS, OR THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY TO YOU.

This is not an issue in any way whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Cyd3l

We all play FFXIV via user-agreement license which states they can terminate your service at any time, without reason. So they literally can do whatever they want. They almost never tell you what you were banned / suspended for, because they don't have to. They don't actually have to justify anything.

It literally is written as:
YOU ACQUIRE NO OWNERSHIP OR PROPERTY RIGHTS IN ANY CHARACTER OR OTHER IN-GAME VIRTUAL GOOD, AND ARE ONLY LICENSED TO USE SUCH CHARACTERS AND ASSETS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE AGREEMENTS. YOU AGREE THAT YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT AND ANY VIRTUAL GOODS AND CHARACTERS DO NOT HAVE ANY MONETARY VALUE. SQUARE ENIX MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNTS, CHARACTERS, VIRTUAL GOODS, OR THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY TO YOU.

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This does not mean they can terminate you for your speech off their platform. Also, they don't but they are required by law to tell you why you were terminated from the service so that you may take legal action if the termination of the service was unjust. A ToS does not trump your consumer rights even if you sign it, a ToS is based off the idea of good faith and that the company has to position both the signee and the cooperation on equal footing.They are taking advantage of the fact that lawyer fees are expensive and that no one wants to be caught in a years-long legal battle.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

We live in a weird world where you get encouraged to be yourself and to not change for others
But then these same people will judge and ridicule you for not being one of them. If you're not with us, you're against us.

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The current affairs of the workd of today & this generation’s unexpected turn of events,

A schism of sorts, sadly building its way into the gaming community

No amount of justifying why it is necessary to advertise as LGBTQ+ friendly will work as it is lost on so many people in the thread. The fact alone that the tags are basically anti-LGBTQ such as "stop lgbtq", "muh pronouns", and "triggered" means that people are just going to keep trolling as they have. FCs will advertise as LGBTQ+ as much as they want, and this thread kind of proved why it is necessary.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

This does not mean they can terminate you for your speech off their platform. Also, they don't but they are required by law to tell you why you were terminated from the service so that you may take legal action if the termination of the service was unjust. A ToS does not trump your consumer rights even if you sign it, a ToS is based off the idea of good faith and that the company has to position both the signee and the cooperation on equal footing.They are taking advantage of the fact that lawyer fees are expensive and that no one wants to be caught in a years-long legal battle.

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These aren't the laws where I live, and even if they are where you're from its pretty moot because as you said, who is going to personally fund a lawyer to go up against a massive corporation over a banned FFXIV account. Not really realistic. Because clearly they have no issues banning accounts with no reason given. Where I live, so long as they refund the money for subscription time you had remaining, there isn't much you could do.

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Originally Posted by Cyd3l

These aren't the laws where I live, and even if they are where you're from its pretty moot because as you said, who is going to personally fund a lawyer to go up against a massive corporation over a banned FFXIV account. Not really realistic. Because clearly they have no issues banning accounts with no reason given. Where I live, so long as they refund the money for subscription time you had remaining, there isn't much you could do.

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I don't live in the US, and as far as Im aware the breaking of your consumer rights even if they do refund your funds which they won't is still illegal. The point is still valid even if you cannot afford the ability to legally retaliate. But the ToS is a clear sign of how much they actually value their playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

This does not mean they can terminate you for your speech off their platform. Also, they don't but they are required by law to tell you why you were terminated from the service so that you may take legal action if the termination of the service was unjust. A ToS does not trump your consumer rights even if you sign it, a ToS is based off the idea of good faith and that the company has to position both the signee and the cooperation on equal footing.They are taking advantage of the fact that lawyer fees are expensive and that no one wants to be caught in a years-long legal battle.

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That's not how freedom of association works at all. Square is free to refuse you as a customer because they don't like your hairdo if they so choose. They're highly unlikely to do this, but they -are- free to do so.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

That's not how freedom of association works at all. Square is free to refuse you as a customer because they don't like your hairdo if they so choose. They're highly unlikely to do this, but they -are- free to do so.

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That is how freedom of association works companies can't just not associate with you on anything they need a legitimate reason otherwise it's discrimination. Also, if you are already in a contract with them you also have legal rights as per the signing of that contract and depending on the laws of your region. Freedom of association like every other freedom has it's limits, especially when money is involved.

Square not liking your hairstyle would be considered a protected characteristic and it's illegal to refuse someone based on such grounds. The hairstyle could be cultural, it could be down to ethnicity, it could be the colour all of these are protected even in the US. For example, Square Enix would not be able to ban gingers because they don't like the colour.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

That is how freedom of association works companies can't just not associate with you on anything they need a legitimate reason otherwise it's discrimination.

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That's the exact opposite of how it works, at least in the US. There's a list of reasons that you are legally not allowed to use to refuse service. Any other reason, or no reason at all is fair game. If you file a lawsuit and can prove that the *real* reason they refused you service is on the list of disallowed reasons, then you have a case.

"I don't like your hairdo" could be a veiled way to express racism, yes. If you prove it. They could refuse you service because they don't like your shirt. They could refuse service because they don't like your attitude. They could refuse service because the sky is annoying them and they don't feel like serving someone today. Discrimination isn't the default legal assumption. The burden of proof is on the claimant.