"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

Just make dungeons harder. Make trash hit harder and have more health. Problem solved. If players only have one option/speed to go through dungeons we won't have to be so divided on how to proceed.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

You know who ends up happy when the game compromises for everyone?

They should make a game the devs would enjoy playing

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That is exactly the opposite of what they should do. Do you want modern WoW? Because that is how you get modern WoW.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Just make dungeons harder. Make trash hit harder and have more health. Problem solved. If players only have one option/speed to go through dungeons we won't have to be so divided on how to proceed.

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A much more simple and cost effective solution would be to link more mobs together. No more 1, 2 or 3 enemy pulls. You get 10, then another 10, then boss. Players will not be divided because they will no longer be able to make up problems where there are none.

I think it would be much more enjoyable to have to actually stop and fight mobs.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

A much more simple and cost effective solution would be to link more mobs together. No more 1, 2 or 3 enemy pulls. You get 10, then another 10, then boss. Players will not be divided because they will no longer be able to make up problems where there are none.

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No, no, no, the cost effective solution is to have cutscene, boss, cutscene, boss, cutscene, boss, end cutscene. Where the cutscenes before bosses are unskippable renders of the party killing all the trash mobs and introducing the party to the boss and dumping you into their room.

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Originally Posted by Aron73

I would say apart from WoW this is new to me. WoW is literally the only game I've seen this mentality in

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I played Rift and Aion with very similar types of game play and that was like 2012.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Just make dungeons harder. Make trash hit harder and have more health. Problem solved. If players only have one option/speed to go through dungeons we won't have to be so divided on how to proceed.

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So, you want single pulls to equate to what double pulls are now, but are complaining about how double pulls suck?

This isn't a solution. It'll never be implemented. They're never going to force players to slow down. If you want to go slow, there's means to do that. Don't drag everyone else down with you because you can't handle the meta. If it's the meta, that means majority of the players are okay with w2w pulling. If you're not, sure sounds like a "you" problem.

Making trash harder is only going to breed rampant elitism. Trash takes forever to die because someone isn't pressing their buttons properly? Chances are, they'll get kicked. If a dungeon takes 30 minutes on average to complete, no one in their right mind will appreciate shoddy performances. So, sounds like you'll be outta luck.

If you want to waste time, waste your own, on your own. Stop trying to force everyone to obide by your rules because you don't want to put effort in.

Have to agree, if they do end up making trash pulls harder then I'll inevitably have even less patience for tanks and dps players who don't know how to use their aoe rotations and healers who refuse to dps, which still show up regularly in lvl 80 and expert roulettes.

I agree. While not optimal I suggest trying tanking, as tanks generally set the pace of a run. I'll never understand this mentality in roulette, where you're never sure of the other party members comfort level.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Just make dungeons harder. Make trash hit harder and have more health. Problem solved. If players only have one option/speed to go through dungeons we won't have to be so divided on how to proceed.

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No. You want hard content where players generally are more careful in how they proceed?

That content already exists: Eureka, Baldesion Arsenal, Save the Queen, Delubrum Reginae Savage, PotD, HoH, EX Trials, Savage Raids, Ultimates.

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Originally Posted by RotoLoto

I agree. While not optimal I suggest trying tanking, as tanks generally set the pace of a run. I'll never understand this mentality in roulette, where you're never sure of the other party members comfort level.

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That's because the harsh reality is ppl just need to get over it, especially in dungeons. Once again, for a vast majority of the content in this game, there is no actual penalty for death. You do not lose any resource for wiping, you do not level down, your gear can't get destroyed, you even get all your cooldowns back immediately after a wipe or return to homepoint.

I suppose you do lose some durability... AFTER the dungeon is complete, they changed it to where your gear can't "break" during dungeon runs anymore(break means stats gets reduced, but gear doesn't get destroyed, just have to repair it).

You only lose progress on things that don't die before a wipe (if you wipe). However, for trash pulls, things that do die stay dead, so in the event of a wipe you'll have less stuff to clean up on the next attempt... with all your cooldowns back.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think people are over exaggerating the length of single-pull runs.

In my experience, w2w runs are about 15 minutes while single pull runs are about 20 minutes.

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For the sake of argument, let's assume this is correct. That means if you're spamming dungeons to level, you'll have to tack on an addition one for every four you'd be otherwise. If we assume it took say, twenty dungeons to go from 71-80, that's an extra five dungeons or roughly two hours added to your grind. That's... quite a bit.

Of course this all assumes single pulls only add five minutes, which isn't the case with higher level dungeons. Plenty of Stormblood and Shadowbringers dungeons are add as much as ten minutes if you're single pulling.