"you have selective reading" is now an "insult"? My, you're quite sensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Ping is a negligible factor nowadays. The more time passes and infrastructures get better, the more MMORPGs come out with global servers. The Secret World is just the most recent example, and TSW's boss fights blow out of the water anything FFXIV has to offer in term of complexity and need for movement and quick reaction.Quote:
Netcode and server processing are parts of a whole, as is latency. They are all factors. There is in fact no cop out, because they are fixing the server systems to reduce the delay on the server end- This isn't a cop-out because SE knows about the server problems and is rebuilding the servers from the ground up to fix them. They aren't so blind and stupid as to think that reducing pings is the only thing they can do to improve network performance. But they also aren't so blind and stupid to realize that, like the netcode, ping is also a factor. Not that better ping is the only benefit of regional servers. You know, if there was an actual region lockout being implemented, then I would be opposed to the whole idea. But as long as players have the freedom to choose the server they wish to play on, there is no issue in my book.
Yet no one has lag problems. Why? Because the game has very good netcode.
I play TERA on the US servers despite living in Italy and having a lousy DSL. And TERA's action combat is much more sensitive to ping issues than anything FFXIV has to offer.
Yet I have no problem. Guess why? Because the game has great netcode, and I don't suck.
They're redoing the server structure and the netcode? Awesome. That just means that the ping benefits of regional servers is negligible.
There's no other benefit to regional servers, unless you coount appeasing the racists that can't bear contact with cultures different than theirs. And that's hardly a valid benefit, as those people shouldn't even be allowed to play online.
Ping is overwhelmingly outweighed by having a rich, cosmopolite community (that is already formed, mind you, and that regional servers would split), and having high traffic at every hour of the day.
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10-01-2012, 07:18 PMAbriael
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10-01-2012, 07:23 PMZumiYour are wrong. I rather have a NA server with people who all speak English and play at the same time as I do. It would be way better for me to play on a NA server then the current set up with servers only in JapanQuote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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10-01-2012, 07:30 PMAbriaelGod forbid you're exposed to those terrible, terrible foreign languages! Your eyes are gonna bleed I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
One would think that smart people would find global serverd a nice chance to interact and play with people coming from different cultures, and maybe learn something about them. And some people I see around this forum, and especially around this thread would truly need it.
Racism and intolerance are truly contemptible.
People who all play at the same time you do? What about you vouch for keeping the server open only four hours a day so you're sure of that? There's many people that often have or like to play at off hours. Regional servers ensure that those people find a nice ghost town to play in. Yeah, good idea. No. not really.
oh, and PS: Might want to learn the difference between "you have a different opinion that mine" and "you're wrong", they aren't equivalent, you know? -
10-01-2012, 08:16 PMmoriandrioOnly intolerant person here is you, cause everybody who doesn't agree with you is either stupid, sucks or what ever....Quote:
Racism and intolerance are truly contemptible.
Before discussion you should learn to accept other ppl have other opinion, there is no point to discuss with someone who can only say "My Opinion is right and your's is wrong" -
10-01-2012, 10:38 PMGreyJorildyn
If you think the only reason for regional servers is to "appease racism", then you are narrow-minded. I couldn't care what language people speak on my server. What I do want is the largest pool of players available in my timezone so I can what I want when I want in that time frame. Most people work 9-5 just like I do. The people logged in from 9-5 mean nothing to me. I'll never interact with them in anyway. So logically I want people to be on from 5-12 when I am playing. Regional servers will encourage that and just like it does in pretty much every other mmo ever made, it will also work.
NA crowd always seems to whine about exposure, cross-cultural interaction, and other related things without ever considering what the other cultures might want. Honestly if you want all that, go outside. The world's a melting pot, salad bowl, whatever, especially in America. I don't need my gaming microcosm to imitate that. Saying that does not make me racist! -
10-01-2012, 10:54 PMGreyJorildyn
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10-02-2012, 12:33 AMChurchill
That is my tear eating face.
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10-02-2012, 01:42 AMtymoraEh...not just a "playing with JP" issue. NA only holds a fraction of English speakers worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by LavellaNyteshade
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10-02-2012, 03:11 AMVerytus
Hey there guys,
I've noticed this thread has started to stray away from the topic and there are a lot of personal insults being thrown around, which is unfortunately going to lead to us having to close this thread if this continues. Let's try to keep to the topic of the thread, and please keep any personal attacks out of the discussion.
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10-02-2012, 03:16 AMQuesse
It has been great getting on the morning (9am) EST and finding lots of people killing Atomos.
I expected there to be no one there but there was actually more people there then at night EST.
This is one of the benefits of Global servers. A fairly large amount of peak times across time zones, instead of just one across NA.
I play a lot of mornings and crazy times and it will be disappointing to see the servers pretty much dead at those times.
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10-02-2012, 03:44 AMIssachar
I hope Abriael isn't a common example of Gungnir's playerbase. If so, I'll be sure to avoid that server.
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10-02-2012, 03:47 AMGreyJorildyn
So pick a data center that works for the time when YOU can play. Pretty simple.
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10-02-2012, 03:52 AMAlhanelemYou heard it here first folks. The game has very good netcode!Quote:
Yet no one has lag problems. Why? Because the game has very good netcode.
those 1-second-plus delays between input and action have nothing to do with how the server processes anything! Nobody has lag problems!
Really... do you play this game? Why do you think they're rebuilding the server systems from the ground up? Because they're very badly designed and cause longer response times than there should be.
Very few if any of the people desiring regional servers are "racist." Most of them simply prefer playing with people they can communicate most effectively with during the times they play most. It's not because they hate anyone that isn't their culture. Just because I'd prefer to play on a server where most everyone speaks English and where I get the lowest latency doesn't mean that I hate people from Japan, France or Germany. In fact, I have aquaintances from all of those countries.Quote:
There's no other benefit to regional servers, unless you count appeasing the racists that can't bear contact with cultures different than theirs. And that's hardly a valid benefit, as those people shouldn't even be allowed to play online.
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10-02-2012, 03:59 AMWynn
This is the jump issue all over again. People stomped their feet about that one too and tried to claim that people who wanted jump were a minority compaired to them. I don't think we need to name names. We know who I'm talking about.
They were wrong there and they are wrong here too. And just like jump, XIV will have regional servers. And those posters will be quoted for posterity for acting like fools about such a silly silly thing.
So I truly think this thread has run its course. There is nothing more to be said on either side. No more new or discussion provoking points to be made.
Whether people like it or not, Regional servers are coming.
Sorry for the emotional inconvenience. -
10-02-2012, 05:40 AMScratchs
I really want to play on a regional server, since there will be 2x the amount of players I can talk and group with.
I can only speak for my experience but JP players for the most part seem to have no interest in grouping, partying or interacting with me once they know I speak English. -
10-02-2012, 05:46 AMZakarnRosewoodlol i tried to say that 50 pages ago and got reamed out. i think its pretty much over. its at least off the main page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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10-02-2012, 05:50 AMBreladineNot only are you the voice of reason here, but you're the voice of "Why SE needs to shut this blasted thread down". Beating a dead horse is getting people no where, other than throwing insults around wildly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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10-02-2012, 05:53 AMNationOfZealotsAU Primetime=JP PrimetimeQuote:
Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn
I have to use Google Translate during this time as there is next to no in-game translation being offered.
I'm sorry to acknowledge this but playing with US players is still as bad as it ever was with the original server idea, it will still mean that as I am ready to start removing some party-required quests from my Journal, people start feeling tired and sleepy and last one or two rounds (I still have United We Stand pending <.<) then I have no choice but to log on at my (now) usual playtime of AU primetime (7pm-12pm) and Google Translate gets fired up again, never ever ever ever get a response anymore from JP players.................
So it seems to me SE's answer for me is to only play between 2am-6am or join a NA server with mostly US players and get much more latency than already getting.................
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10-02-2012, 07:26 AMZahbi
In today's news, several million brain cells are dead and many more are missing as the Final Fantasy XIV forums encounters the fiercest shitstorm since Grassgate '12.
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10-02-2012, 07:49 AMVanguard319
Aren't they going to have the option to do instanced parties with players in all serers anyway? As in you can still play with people from other regions, and even other servers? I recall reading that in the original developer notes. Any word on that?
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10-02-2012, 07:50 AMcasevilol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahbi
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10-02-2012, 07:51 AMAlhanelemI chuckled. We needed this :DQuote:
In today's news, several million brain cells are dead and many more are missing as the Final Fantasy XIV forums encounters the fiercest shitstorm since Grassgate '12.
I'm pretty sure Yoshida mentioned that the content finder would be cross-server.Quote:
Aren't they going to have the option to do instanced parties with players in all serers anyway? As in you can still play with people from other regions, and even other servers? I recall reading that in the original developer notes. Any word on that?
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10-02-2012, 08:43 AMJynxIt would be hillarious if they did make it totally cross server and just make the regional servers pointless. If anything they will allow you to cross server to servers on the same data center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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10-02-2012, 08:47 AMAlhanelemI'm not really seeing how that would make anything pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
For one, content finder content is all instanced stuff- not anything in the open world, so NMs and such can only be done within your own world. There wouldn't be any issue with doing it between servers in different data centers. Since each player is only directly connected to their own server, their response times are not directly affected by the connection between the two world servers. There would be some delay in seeing the actions of players on the other server, but it wouldn't be anything worse than what we have now. -
10-02-2012, 08:53 AMJynxWe have no idea how the cross server stuff will work, wether it will run on a single server with someones data connected to another server you could end up with the same issues we would face on a global server...therefore pointless.Quote:
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10-02-2012, 08:57 AMAlhanelemexcept I just explained how you don't face the same issues you would face on a global server and how it is therefore not pointless. You can also choose to filter by language, so if you choose not to play with japanese most of the time you're going to be finding people on an NA or an EU server. Obviously though, the more people you choose to include in the search, the faster you will find groups for content.Quote:
We have no idea how the cross server stuff will work, wether it will run on a single server with someones data connected to another server you could end up with the same issues we would face on a global server...therefore pointless.
If a group was playing cross server, each player is only connected to their own server and the two servers relay information between eachother. Thus, everyone still has a low ping to their own server and low response times and thus not making a reigonal server "pointless" (which it wouldn't be even if this wasn't the case). The only response delay would be in the time it takes for the actions of players on the other server to be shown on the clients on the first server, but this has limited impact on those player's ability to perform.
With the content finder, you'd be able to enjoy the benefits of being on a server with other players with the same language and similar playtimes to you, while still having the chance to enjoy content with players from other regions if and when you should desire to. -
10-02-2012, 10:18 AMmoriandrioThey mentioned that they want to connect a datacenter from each region to a cluster for the instanced Stuff. Since Yoshi is a big wow fan he might planning to use the Realmpool System.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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10-02-2012, 03:54 PMJaimieI bet there are other AU players with the same issues as you. Unfortunatly, they are all on different servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NationOfZealots
Hey wait a minute. What if there was a AU server ? That might help players such as yourself.
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10-02-2012, 09:50 PMJaimieI for one, will pay for a transfer to a NA server.Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
Let me tell you how today's first xp party went.
log in to uldah
see shout about spiritbond party but half the message is in foreign language
do a /sh <experience point> <spiritbond> <party> <can I have it> 46 <conjurer>
get an invite from the foriegner who did earlier shout
join party
do /p <hello>
see a lot of foriegn chat and a few <hello>s
see more foriegn chat
get ported to dragonhead
do /p <thank you>
see a few <thank you>s and more foreign chat
we blitz thru towards 3rd gate
party gets split up
2 ppl die
i'm only healer in pt apparently, so it's kinda hard to pull out my magic dictionary and chat
we run back to 2 dead ppl
but aggro a tonne of shit on way
i die and all the others who can rez die
all the while i keep seeing foriegn chat
in short the current system sucks this is not an ideal world where everyone treats everyone else with respect I want a NA server, so I don't have to deal with parties like this again.
P.S. did I mention that I had recently spent over 12k on repairs and was down to 3k gil in pocket, dieing within 10 minutes of entering natalan is not my idea of fun
And all you fanbois who think SE is GOD and can do no wrong <STFU>
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10-02-2012, 09:52 PMwhoopeeragonHowever, would SE really warrant a server solely for AU and NZ players? Myself being one, I very much doubt we will have the numbers to justify a server dedicated to the Oceanic region. Remember that the population of Australia, New Zealand, and other Oceanic countries is substantially less than NA, EU or JP, and those numbers will reflect respondingly in subscription numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimie
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10-02-2012, 10:19 PMJynxLook at this guys, someone thinks that everyone on a NA server is going to be smart and treat him with respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimie
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10-02-2012, 11:45 PMmoriandrioThis will never happen, doesnt matters if global/regional or what ever. But stuff like this happens less if ppl are able to talk with each other and I think thats what he wanted to point at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
I know its possible to communicate with foreigners (I have been many years in a JP linkshell in XI) too, buts it makes things alot easier. -
10-02-2012, 11:55 PMMajidah
I hope they designate an "international server"
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10-03-2012, 01:19 AMTiagoThere's pro's and con's against Regional servers, i'll point out some for you about what you just said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimie
1) There will be no JP partys, yes, that means no "foreign language chats" but i'm sure if you joined a JP Party its because you were probably online at the JP prime time, so get ready to wait hours looking for party @ awkward times, because the people in your server are NA only which means the servers will be deadish during night time. As for myself, i wont join a EU server because i mostly play during night for now, if my play-time changes, i think it will be sad because i wont have many people on at my day-time range online if i join a NA server. People are just being abit selfish when telling others their points doesnt make sense and Regional servers is the way to go.
2) Because your on an NA only server you'll understand what everyone says, but that wont save you from wipes. I wiped alot of times heading to Natalan just because people (who spoke english) didnt either want to work much because they were mostly leeching at some point or because they were watching TV and playing at same time. Untill ppl get to wolfs camp or the party camp, stuff can go complicated.
3) Even on an NA server only, dont expect to be treated with respect. There are alot of people out there who doesnt respect others, and to be honest, JP's been respecting me way more than NA's and i dont know stuff about JP at all. Camping stuff/ NM wise, JP's do help each-others while alot of the NA's i mostly meet just want their stuff done and dont care about the rest.
4) With regional servers, the community will be probably mostly Regional~wise (NA's will be mostly Americans, EU's will be mostly Europeans (with over 16 diferent languages, which will be really tough to understand, which why i wont join one even being EU) JP's will be mostly Japaneses) with this, certain people that cant play for long or can only play during night-time when most NA's are asleep, there wont be any EU's which some do speak english pretty good to help with any kind of events, so if ur a awkward-time player expect to take a long time finding a group or not getting some stuff done because there wont be many ppl online to help.
5) About "in short the current system sucks this is not an ideal world where everyone treats everyone else with respect I want a NA server, so I don't have to deal with parties like this again." Which i already mentioned above but wanted to clarify, NA server wont be a FFXIV paradise world where everyone treats everyone with respect, have manners, are always going to help because ur an American citizen, No. Dont expect any of this stuff because there are dumb people everywhere which will always disrespect others and dont care anything about what u need or what's ur situation.
My reply for regional ONLY servers is no, as i stated it awhile ago in this thread, altho i'm sure it wont be ONLY servers so i'll just join either a NA server or if there are world-wide servers, i'll join a world-wide server. I dont want to learn all the European Languages to be able to actually understand some people who can barely read game-content and skip story-lines because of their lack of english knowledge and i dont think i want to have google translator open either to be able to talk with them. So EU servers will probably be full of fail, as i seen on some Aion stuff i did with people that didnt knew any english at all. It will be worst than ur Natalan party tbh.
About some advice to your current gil - You get 8 leve-quests daily, which if you do them at a high lvl camp, you'll get about 3-7k Gil as reward. If u do 8 a day you can easily get around 40k-50k a day. You can also farm materials and sell, all those stuffs. I dont think i was so low on gil as a CNJ46, even tho it was my first job to lvl to 50 back in August 2012. If you're out of gil because u spent in something you rly wanted, then start to save some gil to repair your stuff.
About SE being GOD, it is the XIV's God, they do what they want whenever they want. They totally remade the system without asking you if you wanted to, for example, get rid of arrows or not having bait as a fisherman or not getting TP by hitting mobs. You're the one who should shut up because this is a free-to-post thread where people can point what they think about this and what they think its wrong. -
10-03-2012, 03:13 PMJaimie
Where to start here are some points for starters
I don't play a MMO to do solo leve quests all day long
I wouldn't be so broke if all you 50s hadn't jacked up the prices in the market wards when I was lvl 10 I wanted a new weapon 15k for a lvl 7 weapon
Se was told by me and many others (many who left the game and may not return), what was wrong with it, it was broken in beta (we told em), it was broken when released (we told em). Th only reason they are fixing the game is low subscriber base (ie $$$$$$).
People on this thread keep moaning about regional servers. Why? If you have friends online, get organized and join the same server, does it really matter where it is located. I, and many others shouldn't have to suffer because the fanbois like the current system.
I stated Tera on a EU server. I didn't have any issues.
As I tried to point out, I'm not opposed to people talking in their native language in party, but when 90% of the party chat is foreign to me, and when 80% of the party never use the built in translator, I see a problem.
On a NA server there will be people who I will not get along with. But, at least I'll know if what they are saying to me is an insult or not, at least I'll know if their silence isn't due to a language barrier. And, I won't have to fumble with a auto translate dictionary. -
10-03-2012, 03:25 PMTimonLoonYou obviously don't know how almost every other current game that does Cross-Server Instances works.Quote:
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10-03-2012, 03:28 PMmoriandrio
There won't be a big difference if you play on a NA or EU Server, almost everyone will talk english, cause its the language most ppl can use to communicate even if its not their native language.
Only difference between NA and EU Server gonna be the primetime. -
10-03-2012, 11:10 PMTiagoNot entirely. I've played Aion for awhile and there were many kinds of situations i faced:Quote:
Originally Posted by moriandrio
1) There were guilds mostly language~wise, I'm portuguese and i knew only 1 group of portuguese people around all Aion. So i expect the same, as always ends up happening, to happel (Sounds abit of racism to me, because people want to stick to language groups instead of mixed groups, but that's just for me).
2) In alot of situations, i ended up on quests and raids, where people could barely speak english, it was obvious they were using google translate DURING A RAID (Seriously doesnt work at all during a raid -.-) and we ended up wiping alot of times, so pick-ups will rock even more than they do in a global server (/sigh).
3) Continuing 2nd point, but explaining in another way, even people's shouts doesnt make sense, Ventrilo doesnt either, people shout in foreign languages without any auto-translation possible for most languages EU has (Only German, English and French are covered), in party chat when multiple people from the same language (sometimes there's ppl that can speak english barely enough to explain what's going on, but we'll feel like "wtf are they typing?" just like u prob are when reading Japanese) but mostly, the worst is that they wont understand the criticism upon a failure boss, so they can fix their work; Also the strategy, so they can know their role while fighting a boss or doing a mission or w/e; Tbh there will be alot of issues due to the poor english majority speak, they count on a friend to translate what english ppl say, and their friend could not always be on at the same time as them, and google friend doesnt make sense all the time.
I could think and point numerous bad points of joining an EU server but i'm done here because i dont wanna recall the shiz times i had while playing Aion and having so many issues like i had, but also since i wont join an EU server too. NA Server is the way to go if you actually speak english well enough to express what you really wanna say in english and want all other people to understand what you actually mean. I dont care about lag or latency, it will just be abit problematic in afew missions more than it will be for NA players that are in NA, but they said it wont matter that much, so i hope and expect it will be fine. If its a problem and i cant play properly i'll just quit and move on. -
10-03-2012, 11:37 PMKoti
I am happy and kinda frowning at this. I am not sure I am frowning at the community or just the stupidity of.
It seems majority of you wonderful /english/ speaking, fellow Americans (and those who are not, forgive me for lumping you in with us), is that we have the CHOICE. I get VERY little lag even now, and right now the servers are in Japan. Maybe this has to do with the fact I am in Arizona, so I am rather close to the ocean that separates Japan and my state.
But I don't get it.
They are giving a choice. A simple choice. They are NOT forcing you, like some MMORPGs do, and yes a ton of a MMOs FORCE you to be on whatever server is in your area. These guys are not.
So really, what is the big deal? They are trying to satisfy everyone here with the best possible means they can and really, the best means is what they are doing. Deal and stop crying over it, because this is the making of some players complaining about dealing with "Non-speaking" players, AT LEAST we are not being forced. -
10-03-2012, 11:38 PMmoriandrio
Mhm i spent many years playing XI, and I'm from Austria (so i speak German) but i always prefered mixed LSs and even JP LSs (my HNM shell was JP). I don't really know alot ppl from Europe that can't speak english. Maybe few of the older ones but everyone learns english at school so they should be able to communicate enough for some gameplay.
On EU Server it won't be much different to an global server, english gonna be the language that everyone gonna use if you arent in a group where everyone speaks a certain language.
The language Problem actually should only exist with Japanese but not with english, if you have that much ppl that can't speak at least a bit it would be very sad....