Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

The way her character is written is mostly ok~
I was playing in JP, and she was extremely charming.
I switched to the EN VAs because I just love the extra oomph that the EN voice actor for another *spoiler* gives. But thats when I encountered how stiff the voice acting was for the EN wuk, So many subtle moments just steam rolled through. Obviously not every voice actor is good, but it was REALLY bad in EW patches. It was a little less bad by DT, but still ruined a lot of emotional moments. I do think they were coached for DT, but not coached for EW patches. Kinda wish they would go back to EW patches and touch them up a bit, and all the stiff lines.

I also think all characters can stand out a bit more if they interacted a bit more, rather than just be used to state how great wuk is, or how much potential they see in wuk. in turn it would bring her character out better.
lastly another character i cant say, due to spoilers, i feel was also a bit rushed in the writting. i liked the events that took place, but feel the scene wasnt fleshed out enough.

over all, everything is a good idea, but execution feels a bit slopp-eh

Road trip with friends? great idea, but instead it mostly feels like "sit back and watch this character who lacks any charm"
bunch of puzzle based goals? sounds great, but instead, sit back and watch them unfold w/o any input.
your character is needed! actually not really, we'll sit back and not do anything. idm being a side character, but actually require our characters help, so this suppossed "power of friendship" actually is shown, and not just told in passing.

I like this more than 2.0 and stormblood(base), but its still not HW, ShB, or EW

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Originally Posted by Swad

This shits so bad it makes Shadowlands and BFA look good.

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Yeah, no, that is setting the bar *too* low and actually risks making DT look good again by reminding people.

After finishing, and with maint going on i have nothing better to do. I agree. Wuk was the downfall of Dawntrail.

The first half. It was ok. Felt mostly like a side quest because of all the world building. That was expected. It was her journey to learn about her people and grow. That does not, however qualify her to be a leader or protector of anything. She is naive, never has an actual plan, and makes it though on plot armor alone. She really brings to mind, princess poppy from trolls.

The second half. The world is threatened from another reflection. This is the scions specialty. She is not needed at all. We spend most of our time explaining things to her just for her to look confused and then following her as she continues to use her only trick. Cultural understanding. Her brother was the best about it. He literally got bored of her nonsense and went on the offensive and that's the only reason we made it out of the 5th zone.

The we move on to the final zone. Sphene is literally trying to open the way into the source and other reflections to kill everyone in order to support her massive AI driven computer simulation. What do we do. We follow Wuk again in the only thing she knows how to do. Activate cultural understanding. Just when you though the pace was going to pick up, we get a long slow trudge through the final zone pretending that AI are real people and "helping".

Finally we get to the final boss. We are fighting her after she has legit deleted her memories. And as soon as things take a turn for the worse, Wuk charges in to save people ,who canonically are so much more powerful than her it laughable, with the power of friendship and understanding. Somehow making an emotionless AI catch a case of the feels and then claiming victory.

IMO
The competition, being a test to make them grow, should have resulted in all 3 of them ascending to leadership. Allowing a balance of power. There is no balance between Koana an Wuk. He clearly has deeper feelings for her and will bend to her every whim. Zoraal Ja got his fathers strength. Koana got his mind. Wuk got his heart. Together they would have been best.

The second half should not have involved Wuk. That is the point where Cid should be showing up like he sensed new toys. Erinvilles drive would still have fit as well as the story with his mother. Fitting Kriles parents into the final zone as well. The only thing that made the 2nd half so unbearable was Wuk. The sense of urgency was completely lost by them forcing her into it when her place as the vow of resolve should have been in her city, defending it. Or at most leading an army to the gates of the bubble.

anyway, server status shows green now so I'm done.

This thread is full of ppl that don't deserve to walk the path of Azem, you're squandering the legacy, really, really sad.

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This thread is full of ppl that don't deserve to walk the path of Azem, you're squandering the legacy, really, really sad.

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Azem sundered the world and ascians.

I'd have destroyed that souls facility as soon as I found out about it.

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Originally Posted by AmorfaVex

Azem sundered the world and ascians.

I'd have destroyed that souls facility as soon as I found out about it.

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I am not sure what to say to this other than I have a feeling you are a little confused on the lore here...

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Originally Posted by TTB-Kun

This thread is full of ppl that don't deserve to walk the path of Azem, you're squandering the legacy, really, really sad.

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Cool, and who are you to decide who deserves what here?
People don't deserve to play a game they love because they don't love every aspect of it equally?
Give me break, you and that other person whining about people here being 'the worst people they've ever seen' are clowns. Period.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

I am not sure what to say to this other than I have a feeling you are a little confused on the lore here...

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Venat held the title of Azem.

No?

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Originally Posted by Edewen

IMO
The competition, being a test to make them grow, should have resulted in all 3 of them ascending to leadership. Allowing a balance of power. There is no balance between Koana an Wuk. He clearly has deeper feelings for her and will bend to her every whim. Zoraal Ja got his fathers strength. Koana got his mind. Wuk got his heart. Together they would have been best.

The second half should not have involved Wuk. That is the point where Cid should be showing up like he sensed new toys. Erinvilles drive would still have fit as well as the story with his mother. Fitting Kriles parents into the final zone as well. The only thing that made the 2nd half so unbearable was Wuk. The sense of urgency was completely lost by them forcing her into it when her place as the vow of resolve should have been in her city, defending it. Or at most leading an army to the gates of the bubble.

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SE should hire you as a consultant, your IMO is way better than the crap their entire team came up with. And I'm not saying that sarcastically.

https://i.imgur.com/O96AAni.png
Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by AmorfaVex

Venat held the title of Azem.

No?

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I have a two point argument on this;

First, and this is a technicality, at the time she resorted to sundering the world, it was after relinquishing the right to call herself the seat of Azem already, so while I understand where you come from, sundering the world is not a part of the legacy of Azem. We can't be sure if she was still giving herself entirely to the code of conduct of the seat -- after all, no longer being bound by the role of your seat is kind of the sole point of relinquishing it without intent to return to the star. We just don't know.

But more importantly, In the sundering, the world and people that she sundered were the very thing she knew that action would save in the long run. She was not taking sides in a conflict there, she wasn't against the right to exist of the people she sundered -- on the contrary. she was acting on unique information about what was necessary to leave a chance of long term survival for anyone at all.

The actions in Alexandria in contrast are a case of one side wiping out an opposing side shortly after having met them for the first time.

What Venat did was make a painful sacrifice, and in contrast what we did in Alexandria was achieve an entirely one-sided victory. It is not the same.

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what we did in Alexandria was achieve an entirely one-sided victory. It is not the same.

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What we did in Alexandria was shut down a computer. The endless are not people. It was an ai driven program wanting to kill people to fuel their version of the sims. You are trying to paint us as bad guys for seeing that...

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This thread is full of ppl that don't deserve to walk the path of Azem, you're squandering the legacy, really, really sad.

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Hey buddy, if I'm ever Isekai'd into XIV, the first thing I'm planning is to finish what Emet Selch, Ellidibus, Lahabrea, and the Ascians started. BRB looking for Truck-kun.

Hell if Emet Selch is reverse-isekai'd into our world, the first thing he would do is probably go slap the writing staff for DT on how they butchered it.

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What we did in Alexandria was shut down a computer. The endless are not people. It was an ai driven program wanting to kill people to fuel their version of the sims. You are trying to paint us as bad guys for seeing that...

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It was a machine bringing memories back to life, memories which literally make a person as we witnessed with G'raha Tia. Imagine we managed to make bodies for these memories to inhabit without needing other peoples souls.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

What we did in Alexandria was shut down a computer. The endless are not people. It was an ai driven program wanting to kill people to fuel their version of the sims. You are trying to paint us as bad guys for seeing that...

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Yes and no, because then the game goes on emotion trips with these supposed AI in which we are supposed to act as if this IS a genuine reconnection between Krile and her parents, or Erenville and his mother/mentor, and in which these AI characters are written no less soulful than anything else in this game... so that takes us right back to it being terrible writing that is not even credibly delivering its own intention. It comes across as if the writers had absolutely no idea what they were even doing here.

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What we did in Alexandria was shut down a computer. The endless are not people. It was an ai driven program wanting to kill people to fuel their version of the sims. You are trying to paint us as bad guys for seeing that...

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Well, the question is not if they are or not, but are we the right person to decide if they are - Lamat certainly is not qualified.

And it'd be nice if someone defending the plot, which can be defended despite the piling up issues, noticed how Emet Selch got killed by us, when he decided to snuff out the humanity as we know it based on thin aether, fractions of sundered souls, shades of what he knew and considered living. If we believe that people of Eorza, whole Source and all shards had the right to live in the current state, how can any WoL make lightly decision of killing/deleting something that looks like a life based only on not being able to understand this life, how can it live if it has no aether? To be fair, since someone earlier said how anyone critically looking at the plot of DT can call themselves WoL and that they do not deserve to walk the path of Azem... I am fairly sure, if we want to go with the lore of the world, that Azem was not known by how easy they murdered civilizations.

Didn't the omnicrons put a soul or something into a robot? I'd like to think they would have been able to help or something :T

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Originally Posted by Aulainn

It was a machine bringing memories back to life, memories which literally make a person as we witnessed with G'raha Tia. Imagine we managed to make bodies for these memories to inhabit without needing other peoples souls.

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From my understanding.

The Alexandrians put a lot of work into separating memories from the souls. This is a stark contrast to Graha. When dealing with the first. The whole soul was transported, with the memories attached.

In this situation, it is like the soul itself is a flash drive with data on it. And Alex is literally taking peoples flash drive, reformatting it, and writing thier own data over top of it.

Even if the souls were considered alive at this point, the violation of the very core of someone being like this is probably the worst crime we have ever seen in 14. The souls, have been ripped out of the cycle of life and death, no longer dissipating into the aetherial sea to be reborn. They are more than killing peoples bodies, but preventing rebirth through the cycle of life and death.

As protectors of the source and all its reflections, we didn't go far enough. We deleted the endless. Which in theory should have allowed the souls to rejoin the cycle. But we should have razed the entire factory to dust to release those remaining souls, only drawing a line allowing the living citizens to live.

Memories are not life. The souls are. Even if we made bodies for those souls whose memories have been overwritten, all we would doing is assisting the the grossest violation in the history of ff14. Cultural understand. I understand it is wrong. Period.

Sweet Christmas could y'all hide the spoilers?

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Sweet Christmas could y'all hide the spoilers?

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Yeah, the specific spoilers are way too much, either generalise it into a comment on principles or use spoiler tags, not hard guys. If you want to discuss spoilers openly without tags there are other threads.

PS: Edit your threads.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

Yeah, the specific spoilers are way too much, either generalise it into a comment on principles or use spoiler tags, not hard guys. If you want to discuss spoilers openly without tags there are other threads.

PS: Edit your threads.

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Or maybe don't join a thread discussing story until you've finished the story ?

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

Yeah, the specific spoilers are way too much, either generalise it into a comment on principles or use spoiler tags, not hard guys. If you want to discuss spoilers openly without tags there are other threads.

PS: Edit your threads.

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Um.. yes.. I kind of agree that this is not tagged as a spoiler thread, but on the other hand, if you are reading 109 pages deep into an in depth exchange of arguments backing up one position or the other in a discussion on the quality of the storyline and characters in it, I also kind of feel it is implied that this far in people will be speaking more openly, since the story is what provides the arguments?

You are not technically in the wrong, but.. I also do agree with Malthir?

Wuk lamat was great. Stop whining about absolutely nothing like some kind of internet gremlin.

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Originally Posted by Zolvolt

Wuk lamat was great. Stop whining about absolutely nothing like some kind of internet gremlin.

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Why are we not allowed to discuss why she was, not great? Perhaps you'd like to offer countering opinions

I finished the Dawntrail MSQ last night & I will have to be honest that Wuk Lamat is annoying, obnoxious, & an airhead sometimes. There were times I dozed off while doing the MSQ especially with the cutscenes with her in it. That's just me & my opinion.

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Yeah, the specific spoilers are way too much, either generalise it into a comment on principles or use spoiler tags, not hard guys. If you want to discuss spoilers openly without tags there are other threads.

PS: Edit your threads.

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You know ... for things to work most of the time it gotta be a mutual effort. It's like on the street, for you to be safe, it takes others to drive safe as well as you being a responsible driver as well. If you're reading a non-story thread and suddenly got slapped with a major spoiler out of nowhere, than yeah you can complain. But stepping into a 100+ page discussion about the story and complain about spoiler is a bit ... Just saying, you too have your own responsibility to ensure you don't get spoil yourself, it's not just the jobs of others.

Like, don't get me wrong, I do tag all of my spoiler in this thread and I think other should do the same. But at the same time I think anyone who come into this thread and get spoil themselves spoil ... they're 99% deserved it and should have known better.

Yeah, if you come here and get spoiled that's on you. Coming to discuss the story before finishing the story is your own fault and no one else's. You know what this thread was when you opened it. I'll edit nothing to protect people from their own stupidity.

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You know ... for things to work most of the time it gotta be a mutual effort. It's like on the street, for you to be safe, it takes others to drive safe as well as you being a responsible driver as well. If you're reading a non-story thread and suddenly got slapped with a major spoiler out of nowhere, than yeah you can complain. But stepping into a 100+ page discussion about the story and complain about spoiler is a bit ... Just saying, you too have your own responsibility to ensure you don't get spoil yourself, it's not just the jobs of others.

Like, don't get me wrong, I do tag all of my spoiler in this thread and I think other should do the same. But at the same time I think anyone who come into this thread and get spoil themselves spoil ... they're 99% deserved it and should have known better.

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Yeah, how dare I be curious on the critical discussion of wuk lamats role in the story and if it gets any better later on since I'm kinda tapped out from how poor the story has been thus far.

I've stopped caring at this point anyway so I'm not too sad but it's still poor etiquette to post huge spoilers within the release window.

Also your metaphor sounds kinda horrific, like 99% of people who walk outside shouldn't expect to be attacked/harassed because "They deserve it"

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Yeah, how dare I be curious on the critical discussion of wuk lamats role in the story and if it gets any better later on since I'm kinda tapped out from how poor the story has been thus far.

I've stopped caring at this point anyway so I'm not too sad but it's still poor etiquette to post huge spoilers within the release window.

Also your metaphor sounds kinda horrific, like 99% of people who walk outside shouldn't expect to be attacked/harassed because "They deserve it"

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More like "Hey. You see that bad part of town? Bad things happen to people who go there. Maybe you should not." And then you walk in anyway, and go "WHY DID A BAD THING HAPPEN TO ME?!"

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Also your metaphor sounds kinda horrific, like 99% of people who walk outside shouldn't expect to be attacked/harassed because "They deserve it"

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You should try to miss my point harder, although that may be impossible.

See how my post had 2 parts in it?

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If you're reading a non-story thread and suddenly got slapped with a major spoiler out of nowhere, than yeah you can complain.

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So yeah, if you just walking down a normal street and got mugged, you certain can complain.

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But stepping into a 100+ page discussion about the story and complain about spoiler is a bit

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But if you walk into the shady part of town that's ridden with gang and drug issues and got mugged? All I gonna say is what do you expect?

This is why I dislike the whole modern victim complex thing. It's like people think their safety is the responsible of everyone else but themselves. :p

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Really? That's quite the claim. Not even close to being bad like BFA or Shadowlands.

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Think of the new players, they have to wade through post-arr, early stormbloods zones without flying, post-ew, and now 50 hours of talk to 3 citizens and wuk lamat. A game can only have so many red flags before it becomes unrecommendable. All I can say is SE had better stuffed the pockets of content creators and reviewers or else this game is gonna get destroyed. If WoW had red flags the game was dying this is like nuclear bomb blowing up in someones face.

Emet-Selch is probably laughing his ass off at us right now, cackling like a maniac..

>I told that idiot to check out the ""golden cities"" in Tural like it was some great adventure...
>and WOL fell for it!
>Then WOL got stuck babysitting a stupid cat HAHAHA
>WOL wasted their time doing chores and picking up animal poop too!

Typical, ahh my hot coffee is hot defense. Someone just wants to be a victim.

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Emet-Selch is probably laughing his ass off at us right now, cackling like a maniac..

>I told that idiot to check out the ""golden cities"" in Tural like it was some great adventure...
>and WOL fell for it!
>Then WOL got stuck babysitting a stupid cat HAHAHA
>WOL wasted their time doing chores and picking up animal poop too!

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I saw that thread on /v/ too. I have it screenshot but I'd probably get in trouble if I posted it since it uses much more colorful language.

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I saw that thread on /v/ too. I have it screenshot but I'd probably get in trouble if I posted it since it uses much more colorful language.

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I need a thread for DT memes already

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2a77a1975bd52&

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

I need a thread for DT memes already

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2a77a1975bd52&

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https://i.imgur.com/ztIteI9.png

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>WOL wasted their time doing chores and picking up animal poop too!

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Say what you will, but the part where we threw the dung into the campfire and caused the pterodactyls to invade the camp was one of my favorite parts of the MSQ, I loved how instead of just waltzing in and beating the guy up, we instead deal with the situation in one of the most chaotic and silly ways possible.

Watching all those dinosaurs fly up, and watching the bandits scramble and run away in panic almost made me forget about the inevitable strong Wuk Lamat return

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

I need a thread for DT memes already

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Someone needs to make the Here's Johnny meme but with Wok Lmao trying to get to WoL.

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

I need a thread for DT memes already

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2a77a1975bd52&

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Ask and you shall receive.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l-humor-thread...

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Someone needs to make the Here's Johnny meme but with Wok Lmao trying to get to WoL.

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I was unable to find an image of the WoL completely terrified. However, I think we can all relate to Wendy here.

https://i.imgur.com/i2lzDPK.jpg