Heals for Scholors need a buff

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Originally Posted by fanservice

And you don't know how to do math.

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the one where part of your heals can be put on before damage is even taken... and your fairy healing. You just go from thread to thread QQing. It's obvious what the problem is.

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No, it's because they're doing something like HM titan, or WHM AOE healing that is over 100% better, or being able to stack WHM regens. If you weren't struggling to pull excuses out of your arse, you'd know this.

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..and when I was in Titan it was with a SCH... obviously not you, this one was good. There was actually a video on Titan... they used 2 SCH and a WHM. I know you refuse to believe it, but sometimes it's a player issue. Clearly this is one of those times.

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I want you to name one thing SCH excel at, and is needed for, that WHM can't do.

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WHM can't shield. (Well they have stoneskin... but nothing like Sacred Soil or a group shield) They are healers, they can both heal.. this is a typical argument by someone wanting to be a special snowflake. Well you aren't and won't be, you are unique enough- you shouldn't be NEEDED, no one should be. This exposes your true desire to be REQUIRED or OP.

Please, just be honest and ask for what you really want- You want to be required for raids, so that people HAVE to take you- you want to be OP to make up for your problems... you obviously aren't succeeding based on your playing.

Can't you just switch to DPS so you can go clutter those forums with your QQ about how your dps class needs buffs and how everyone is stacking everything else?

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

the one where part of your heals can be put on before damage is even taken... and your fairy healing. You just go from thread to thread QQing. It's obvious what the problem is.

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Nice job on completely omitting, and dodging the question.

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Tell me, in what universe does a 150 heal potency shield + 10% aoe damage mitigation compare to being able to heal up 100% more aoe damage in the same window of time with 50% less MP? This is what happens when succor is your only reliable source of AOE healing.

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Care to answer that?

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WHM can't shield. They are healers, they can both heal.. this is a typical argument by someone wanting to be a special snowflake. Well you aren't and won't be, you are unique enough- you shouldn't be NEEDED, no one should be. This exposes your true desire to be REQUIRED or OP.

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That qualifies as double standard coming from you considering I have yet to see anyone assert that WHM aren't required for anything sporting AOE damage around HM titan level.

Your video doesn't conflict with my point at all. They still have a WHM, and the use of 3 healers to counter the damage when SE's ideal group is 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DDs, so that qualifies for 'healer stacking' which only serves to blur any issues the healers have. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that healing on that fight would be even easier/less risky with less SCHs, and more WHMs. Congrats on posting a video that proved... nothing.

That shield doesn't make or break fights. Having strong AOE healing does.
You don't need a shield, but you do (and will need in the future unless SE stops making fights with tons of AOE damage) strong AOE healing.

Half the time, and MP spent healing the group=less risk. This is a reason why a WHM is necessary. This is before we even consider the regen stacking they're capable of, while talk of the modest buffing of succor/giving SCH's medica, and having pet control options that make sense would magically make SCH's broken to you?

What makes a SCH unique isn't necessary with their current values. For example, in order for sacred soil to be worth one tick of regen on each person, people need to get hit by an attack that deals ~2k damage while standing in it, mitigating a wopping 200 damage per person. That is a 30 second cooldown tied to atherflow (so that's one less lustrate), that lasts 10 seconds. Succor is similar in the fact that it gets outdone by HOTs alone; its shield potency is equal to a 150 potency heal.

This is before we even count the direct AOE heals. The shielding, damage mitigation, and AOE healing just doesn't compare. Besides lustrate and the fairy allowing me to multitask a little, SCH's don't really have much over WHMs. The addition of a 300 potency AOE heal won't completely tip the balance in favor of SCH's, but it would make them less of a liability in AOE heavy phases. Buffing sacred soil, or succor's absorb effects to meaningful levels could also work if SE wants to keep uniqueness...

Trust me, I want to say SCH's have better single target sustained healing, but that's something either healer can do just fine, and I keep remembering WHM's regen stacking ...

With an MMO like this, it's a matter of time before we get more fights with more burst AOE damage just like titan HM.

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Please, just be honest and ask for what you really want- You want to be required for raids, so that people HAVE to take you- you want to be OP to make up for your problems

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That sounds like you're describing WHM, since I have yet to see anyone assert that you can do anything remotely challenging without a WHM.

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... you obviously aren't succeeding based on your playing.

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And you aren't succeeding at proving a point using numbers, while glossing over your experience in a 2 sentence summary, while trying to ride the coattails of videos made by people who aren't you, and throwing around baseless insults at my ability to play when we're not even on the same server, while I have yet to do that to you. You're just plain rude now.

'No one's asking to be a WHM. People want just one aoe heal that doesn't suck and a controllable fairy.'

I am all for pet improvements for SCH. But asking for better AoE is silly because SCH with a better AoE will obsolete WHM due to the fact SCH also can pre-shield and have amazing longevity.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

and throwing around baseless insults at my ability to play when we're not even on the same server, while I have yet to do that to you. You're just plain rude now.

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Okay, you know what? I apologize. I wish you the best on your attempt to advocate for game changes and hope that you will enjoy the class in time.

Good luck and Best Wishes!

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Originally Posted by puca

I am all for pet improvements for SCH. But asking for better AoE is silly because SCH with a better AoE will obsolete WHM due to the fact SCH also can pre-shield and have amazing longevity.

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Ok, how would having one AOE heal equal to a standard medica assuming either succor's potency is increased, or SCHs get a copy of medica while still retaining succor at its current (lack of) strength would make WHM's obsolete? They still have cure iii, medica ii, regen stacking, and the fact 2 WHM's would abuse all of the above and be better than 2 SCH's even if medica was usable by SCHs tomorrow.

I'm not trying to insult you here, it's just that I'm pretty sure at least two other people said this to me, I asked them the same question, and I have yet to get an answer. I really would like to know what makes people say this.

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

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You are obviously a fail Scholar.

Please just go play White Mage so you get all the great abilities you want and stop trying to change a Job that is perfectly fine. You want all the White Mage abilities on the Scholar job, why don't you just go play White Mage so you are happy.

Its really simple and I'll even explain how to do it for you since you have a hard time grasping game concepts, unequip that grimoire you are holding as your main hand weapon and put a conjurer's arm weapon in there instead. BAM! problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Kalagg

You are obviously a fail Scholar.

Please just go play White Mage so you get all the great abilities you want and stop trying to change a Job that is perfectly fine. You want all the White Mage abilities on the Scholar job, why don't you just go play White Mage so you are happy.

Its really simple and I'll even explain how to do it for you since you have a hard time grasping game concepts, unequip that grimoire you are holding as your main hand weapon and put a conjurer's arm weapon in there instead. BAM! problem solved.

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Says job is perfectly fine while ACN have nonsensical, unintuitive pet control. Ok.

Rerolling to ignore a problem doesn't make the problem magically fix itself. Pretty sure that doesn't work anywhere else, or else I'd ignore my bills for months on end.

Not going to repeat myself any further for you. I'm done debating for now.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

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Cure 3 = meh.
However, i do take issue with you saying that white mages longevity is fine with the use of another class. Whether or not it is true the bards abilities apply to everyone equally and should not be taken into account when talking about a class and its personal balance.

If you think freecure procs somehow save the day consider that it procs off a single target heal and is up for 15 sec. Its hardly reliable.

You are talking about aoe healing situations. Whm aoe healing drains mana just like anything else and the only source of oh sh*t regen is also our threat reduction when playing a class that can potentially generate alot of threat. Particularly through over healing which does happen with crits and the like if you do things like say... "cure spamming until freecure triggers"....

I don't see why it would be game breaking if after a shield was on a target the same aoe heal did a little more actual healing to help scholars. But don't trivialize the issues that other classes may have just because you have yours.

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Originally Posted by Eriane

Cure 3 = meh.
However, i do take issue with you saying that white mages longevity is fine with the use of another class. Whether or not it is true the bards abilities apply to everyone equally and should not be taken into account when talking about a class and its personal balance.

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Just saying, it's a bit of a stretch to not have a bard in an 8 man, even with DF given how popular they're becoming, though I understand where you're coming from with the 'personal balance' thing.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

Ok, how would having one AOE heal equal to a standard medica assuming either succor's potency is increased, or SCHs get a copy of medica while still retaining succor at its current (lack of) strength would make WHM's obsolete? They still have cure iii, medica ii, regen stacking, and the fact 2 WHM's would abuse all of the above and be better than 2 SCH's even if medica was usable by SCHs tomorrow.

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

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Bards that use mana song kill their DPS. A guild that didn't need to manage WHM mana could either drop a bard, or get bards to concentrate on damage. The reason SCH with medica will obsolete WHM is the same reason discipline priests obsoleted holy priests in WoW, even though holy priests had far better healing burst. Pre-shielding is just that good (and discipline priest didn't have an infinite mana pet spamming heals either).

Any healing meter will show SCH outhealing WHM _now_, even without buffs, on any fight.