The Monk Temple Reborn

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

Factor up your GCD with your skill speed, and then reduce it by 15%.

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Okay cool. That's what I was asking. Thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I was curious about that, actually. Been reading it's best for PS3/4 players to lock on target to keep the auto-attack going since it's a good chunk of MNK's damage. I'm not a big fan of the lock-on target because the UI covers up the bottom part of the screen which makes it difficult to see the exact position of my lil lala fighter (camera rotation sucks when locked on, yes what a beautiful rock wall/ceiling/giant tree in my way).. Thought about moving the hotbars, but creature of habit, you know, I don't want to change it xD

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PS4 here. I just use standard camera whenever I monk/drg/bard. That lock on target stuff i hate because of how it positions the camera. Never miss an auto-atk just using standard camera.

I'll mess around with the settings a bit more to see if I can make something work. I hate to ask, but what should a i93 monk with t5 weapon be doing on a dummy? I've been meaning to have a buddy check it out for me but we haven't been avail at the same time yet. If I had to guess, based on my exp with DRG, I would think at least in the 330 range? If AA are missing, in the 250s?

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I'll mess around with the settings a bit more to see if I can make something work. I hate to ask, but what should a i93 monk with t5 weapon be doing on a dummy? I've been meaning to have a buddy check it out for me but we haven't been avail at the same time yet. If I had to guess, based on my exp with DRG, I would think at least in the 330 range? If AA are missing, in the 250s?

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In i90 gear with hellish claws I was at 377 on a dummy for 3:40. Was before I knew about how to not miss auto-attacks with standard cam. Should never be in 250s for dummy practice over that same timeframe I believe, even if you were missing a few auto-atks(even in legacy cam you don't miss every auto-atk).

I have no idea, really. Last parse I had was with DRG w/ (technically i90) atma weapon. I figure MNK should be a bit higher, but I'm not pro at the rotation yet. (I may have it down pretty good but not as confident about it as I am DRG)

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

The increased attack speed is applied to your existing rate of attack. It's not a boost to skill speed it's a boost to attack speed outright which means it also increases autoattack speed as well. If you're a monk and have a 2.28 GCD with GL3 up then something is very wrong.

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This bit is incorrect. Skill Speed has no effect on auto-attack delay. Auto Attack delay is determined solely by weapon delay, and runs on it's own timer.

The rest, however, is correct. GL stacks do not increase the Skill Speed stat, but rather they cut the GCD by a %.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

This is why autoattack is such a large and important part of our damage.

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The reason MNK AA is such a large part of its DPS breakdown is because it's the heaviest hitting AA in the game. Auto Attacks, while not benefiting in the slightest from Skill Speed, gain full benefits from Determination, Critical Hit Rate, and last but certainly not least from GL3/Twin/DK/FoF - which all add up to a significant %-based increase to damage dealt.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

This bit is incorrect. Skill Speed has no effect on auto-attack delay. Auto Attack delay is determined solely by weapon delay, and runs on it's own timer.

The rest, however, is correct. GL stacks do not increase the Skill Speed stat, but rather they cut the GCD by a %.

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The wording was a bit funny so you took what I said out of context, but I never said Skill Speed increases autoattack speed. The person was describing the GL buff to be an increase to Skill Speed. I was trying to the tell the person that the GL bonus is not like Skill Speed as they were describing, but that it is a flat increase to all attack speed including autoattack unlike Skill Speed.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

The wording was a bit funny so you took what I said out of context, but I never said Skill Speed increases autoattack speed. The person was describing the GL buff to be an increase to Skill Speed. I was trying to the tell the person that the GL bonus is not like Skill Speed as they were describing, but that it is a flat increase to all attack speed including autoattack unlike Skill Speed.

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Ah, my mistake. Apologies.

Looking forward to patch 2.4 which we know will come with a new tier of coil and a new height to item level. I can guess that the increase will be quite similar to the increase from Coil1 to Coil2?

I wonder: has there been any theorycrafters who've done some calculations as to how that is going affect stat weights?

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

In i90 gear with hellish claws I was at 377 on a dummy for 3:40. Was before I knew about how to not miss auto-attacks with standard cam. Should never be in 250s for dummy practice over that same timeframe I believe, even if you were missing a few auto-atks(even in legacy cam you don't miss every auto-atk).

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Well I didn't get a dummy test, but I did take my monk into t6 last night for the first time (I was DRG, but we pug'd another DRG so I switched so we wouldn't be competing for gears). I do think it's a bit more punishing on MNK, losing GL stacks sucked, so I'll have to work on that (started trying to save Dem or SP for after chains or blighted, seemed to help). One of the tanks was parsing though, I'm satisfied with the results for now, at least I know I can do both MNK and DRG effectively if needed.

Question for all: What is the priority for secondary stats? Det > Crit? How much Skill speed do I want?

I have been reading mixed answers about the Det/Crit.