Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

This time around the last boss didn't really need that last part, along with a "sad" send-off.

Zenos wanted happiness, Emet wanted to test us, Meteion needed her clinically depressed sisters wiped out. Sphene had sworn to kill us all and erased her compassion in that pursuit.

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Originally Posted by KurenXIV

I know SE isn't keen on killing off characters any more but I would be filled with such joy if she was removed from the game now and forever more.

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The final trial is such an emotional rollercoaster for all the wrong reasons.
"WHY ARE YOU HERE?! Oh thank god the boss just one shot her... WHY ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?!"

I gave up. I can't go on. It's just sapped all the joy from the game. My character logged out in western town, and that's it for me.

I think I'll just call her Woke Lameass and move on.

How to kill a very successful franchise in 1 character.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

The fact that it's really obvious for everyone what scenes she had a hand is very telling about the rest of the story. It's like taking a breath of fresh air whenever they come up and it feels like I'm actually playing one of my favorite games, FFXIV, again. She is very much missed, I hope they figure out how to bring back the same magic she brings to rest of the story. ;_;

Also I just realized Wuk Lamat is just this meme and sums up why I dislike her:

https://i.imgur.com/6F26QMs.jpeg

People will be like "I am literally going to kill you and everyone you care about" and she's like "let's get to know each other and have a debate about that" ughhh

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Agreed on all counts; Ishikawa wrote actual art on occasion, and I miss that.

I love that meme, and it's funny, in RPGs with a lot of options, I often play as close to that meme as can be, it's fun to me, let's talk out everything, let me recruit everyone. I set up my WOL as that kind of character, too, in principle. He accepted Zenos's friendship proposal at the end of Stormblood, he expects to give Amon the 50th chance when they meet again, he's that kind. And yet, this expansion was too much, too unearned, too naive espcially with Sphene - and the thing was that we didn't even have the say in it, we didn't get to be the centrist liberal debating the enemies, we didn't build a questionable personal connection with the world-destroying AI, Wuk Lamat did, and with that I was unengaged anyway.

Just gonna leave this picture I found on r/ffxiv here, since it sums up everything quite nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/ibYvOwe.png

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Just gonna leave this picture I found on r/ffxiv here, since it sums up everything quite nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/ibYvOwe.png

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why must you torture us with this image .... :(

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Just gonna leave this picture I found on r/ffxiv here, since it sums up everything quite nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/ibYvOwe.png

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Hold up, I fixed that picture for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/FKYz0VRh/ibYvOwe.png

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Just gonna leave this picture I found on r/ffxiv here, since it sums up everything quite nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/ibYvOwe.png

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Why is the WoL visible?

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Originally Posted by Karkarov

Hold up, I fixed that picture for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/FKYz0VRh/ibYvOwe.png

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Perfection!

The final trial really was so awful, and it keeps going on, I never want to sit through this again. If there was an option to exclude it from future roulettes, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Gaia coming in was topical, plot-relevant and charming.
Zenos coming to help us last minute was fun and awesome, foreshadowed before, and he says also very fun and quotable lines expressing his confidence in us at the edge of the world faced with the impersonation of despair, lends us some aid and then trusts us to finish her off because we're his respected sparring friend.
Emet helping out is foreshadowed in his attitude, internally coherent with his characterisation, motivation and emotions, also plot-relevant and a very cool moment, he helps us out of a situation that's his personal specialty as the Minister of Afterlife Matters, and then he also trusts us to continue and handle this as ourselves.
They're all welcome. These are people's favourite moments for a reason.

This here? A tacky copy of a formula that doesn't and can't apply here, simply because Wuk Lamat has to be there, and someone apparently really thought people would cheer upon seeing her barge in yet again. Whoever is responsible for this doesn't understand the first thing about what made the story and story-gameplay integration up to Endwalker work the way it did.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I gave up. I can't go on. It's just sapped all the joy from the game. My character logged out in western town, and that's it for me.

I think I'll just call her Woke Lameass and move on.

How to kill a very successful franchise in 1 character.

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Honestly, Western Town is the only good section in MSQ, precisely because it doesn't have Wuk Lamat in it so the writers can actually use all the characters to make something interesting.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Honestly, Western Town is the only good section in MSQ, precisely because it doesn't have Wuk Lamat in it so the writers can actually use all the characters to make something interesting.

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the only thing I found missing from that area for it and kept expecting to hear was the theme to "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" Western... everyone should know that theme

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Originally Posted by NiceNox

At least now people won't get offended from seeing the word "Tribal Quest" since it has been changed to "Allied Society Quest".

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Oh so Kate is the reason we're getting that kind of stuff and "Florid(a) Man" and other cringeworthy meme references now a days? Great.

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Honestly, Western Town is the only good section in MSQ, precisely because it doesn't have Wuk Lamat in it so the writers can actually use all the characters to make something interesting.

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They didn't make anything interesting. It's literally just a cheap ripoff of literally any western story. It doesn't even feel like it makes sense or belongs. The entire story could be stolen from some cheap JRPG from the ps2 and

it would be pretty much identical, "high tech" with glowing lasers on it and shitty robot boss at the end and all.

The memes have always been cringeworthy and I like them that way, unironically. It's MMORPG appropriate.

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Just gonna leave this picture I found on r/ffxiv here, since it sums up everything quite nicely.

https://i.imgur.com/ibYvOwe.png

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I saw that too right now. xD

The best part for me is that it comes from r/ffxiv and has so many upvotes.
Times really have changed.

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Originally Posted by PaleYonder

This here? A tacky copy of a formula that doesn't and can't apply here, simply because Wuk Lamat has to be there, and someone apparently really thought people would cheer upon seeing her barge in yet again. Whoever is responsible for this doesn't understand the first thing about what made the story and story-gameplay integration up to Endwalker work the way it did.

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I have read a comment somewhere that Wuk Lamat's barking in at the last trial should have given us a debuff.

Is this the Battle for Azeroth of FF14? Is Woke Lameass our Sylvanas?

Is this the beginning of the end?

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They didn't make anything interesting. It's literally just a cheap ripoff of literally any western story. It doesn't even feel like it makes sense or belongs. The entire story could be stolen from some cheap JRPG from the ps2 and

it would be pretty much identical, "high tech" with glowing lasers on it and shitty robot boss at the end and all.

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I liked it because

We got to spend time with Erenville and see Estinien, and honestly the section with throwing the dung in the campfire to summon the pterodactyl things was absolutely hilarious. It felt like we were actually stirring up some chaos and... y'know, adventuring, doing unexpected things, actually living in the world and interacting with it.

My main gripe with MSQ, as someone who doesn't have very high storytelling standards, pretty much just boils down to not being allowed to do anything that didn't involve Wuk Lamat, so being liberated from playing babysitter, even if for a little bit, was actually really nice.

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I have read a comment somewhere that Wuk Lamat's barking in at the last trial should have given us a debuff.

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It may not give a debuff in game, but it will definitely give me a debuff in real life when I am forced to sit through it tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Karkarov

It may not give a debuff in game, but it will definitely give me a debuff in real life when I am forced to sit through it tomorrow.

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If it's any consolation, the last trial is absolutely amazing in the first half and honestly some of the most fun out of normal mode content I've had in a while. I knew we were gonna be in for a good time when a single non-knockback mechanic killed 5 people, including a tank.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Is this the Battle for Azeroth of FF14? Is Woke Lameass our Sylvanas?

Is this the beginning of the end?

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I mean, in my estimation, the decline of WoW started with Warlords of Draenor, which was the point they stopped caring at all about their own story (not a peep from Wrathion when he started this whole thing? Not even in Legion, where the very thing he wouldn't shut up about happens, he's... on vacation??). BfA was just where the general populace started to really face the issues. It can take a long, long time to come to terms with a game declining. I won't make that mistake again.

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Honestly, Western Town is the only good section in MSQ, precisely because it doesn't have Wuk Lamat in it so the writers can actually use all the characters to make something interesting.

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And even in that questline you gotta retrieve a bracelet given by WOOKIE LMAO to her wet nurse or whatever, like even if she is not in the limelight you have to feel her presence because it is some execs OC dont steal.

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Originally Posted by _Rance-Sama_

And even in that questline you gotta retrieve a bracelet given by WOOKIE LMAO to her wet nurse or whatever, like even if she is not in the limelight you have to feel her presence because it is some execs OC dont steal.

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And even then we only do half the map before being forced back to her anyway.
I'm surpised there is no picture of her in our hotel room watching over us as we sleep.

The rubber bullet stuff was also bullshit. Nowadays I wonder for whom this story is actually written right now.
It's really funny that we all like a filler questline on par with ARR with nonsensical plot the best just because Wuk Lamat isn't in it.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

And even then we only do half the map before being forced back to her anyway.
I'm surpised there is no picture of her in our hotel room watching over us as we sleep.

The rubber bullet stuff was also bullshit. Nowadays I wonder for whom this story is actually written right now.
It's really funny that we all like a filler questline on par with ARR with nonsensical plot the best just because Wuk Lamat isn't in it.

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Yeah rubber bullets was exceptionally stupid, There's nothing wrong with someone losing a Duel and still being alive with a bullet in their leg or shoulder if you dont want him to die, The dumbing down of media for the weakest in society brings the immersion dowwn for everyone, After ARR i guess they need a disclaimer that wasnt really Raubahns arm hitting the table it was a fake arm.

This thread is great for finding the absolute worst people you've ever seen in your life!

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This thread is great for finding the absolute worst people you've ever seen in your life!

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That's still Twitter.

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This thread is great for finding the absolute worst people you've ever seen in your life!

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Noooo people have a negative opinion about something they have played for years and expect better from the company delivering it!!!! The absolute horror!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/FKYz0VRh/ibYvOwe.png[/QUOTE]

Getting the clown outfit for all saints week a few years back now makes sense.

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just reached talk with <figure>

all I'll say, yes, it's a bit DIESOFCRINGE , the Intro to Role Job [Is DIESOFCRINGE ]

but that's kinda the point.

and I'm all for it.

This, This is why I was concerned that they will scrap their follow through plans after DT. and miss out on whatever their plans are.

While it's way too damn early for anyone to make a judgements call.

I hope people see it for what it is.

and honestly, of course it was going to be this level of difference.

There is no real threat we cannot utterly demolish.

But the questions now, if some have been paying attention.

Can we do change without Demolishing.

I think we easily can, just getting people to get along with it, is another thing.

Let's wait til we all finished MSQ first.

I'm all for this Pain, DIESOFCRINGE, since we are basically Escorts atm.

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I think you got to take the MSQ as a slightly interesting introduction to important elements; sadly Wuk Lamat was made SO central to the story that she distracted from the stuff we should be paying attention to and that lines up possible arcs to consider. In short we probably got too much "Wuk Lamats great adventure" as the ex-WoL we really didn't go on a adventure yet - we just held Wuk Lamats stuff while she did everything. I feel like we need a depowering similar to how Midgarsomer did to us in ARR.

I just finished the game... The fact is we did not need to tag along with Wuk.

We could have been holidaying having fun all the way to effectively the middle of the story and then we could have been called in by the Dawnservant to sort out the mess that his trueborn son caused. This would possible save the first half of the expansion...

The competition could have gone in the background and we could be even spectators to their efforts- heck judges even, but we literally beat the personification of despair.

Playing politics is not something we need or should do.

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https://i.postimg.cc/FKYz0VRh/ibYvOwe.png

Getting the clown outfit for all saints week a few years back now makes sense.

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The original is from the main r/ffxiv subreddit by the way. The subreddit that usually downvotes any criticism no matter how valid and polite. Top post on front page with nearly 3k upvotes now. Most of the comments rightfully criticizing the expansion and story.

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I just finished the game... The fact is we did not need to tag along with Wuk.

We could have been holidaying having fun all the way to effectively the middle of the story and then we could have been called in by the Dawnservant to sort out the mess that his trueborn son caused. This would possible save the first half of the expansion...

The competition could have gone in the background and we could be even spectators to their efforts- heck judges even, but we literally beat the personification of despair.

Playing politics is not something we need or should do.

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There is no reason for WoL not to involve themselves either, it could have been a good story - but something went wrong, to me it was too much Wuk Lamat, feeling like I had a psychofan who pops up from every corner and box trying to get my attention. I felt suffocated by her and every brief moment of respite, soon enough turned into *someone is knocking at the door* and me having high hopes it's someone interesting to talk to and fear that it may be Wuk. I will allow readers to guess who was behind the door.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

The weird thing is, it almost feels like there's a concerted effort to kill the word "tribe". Magic the Gathering changed it to "Kindred" for all the old Tribal cards just about a month or two ago too.
And just like here nobody, barring those who have to bend the knee for money, actually even follows along with the garbage change and keeps to the old name.

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I think people are focusing on the wrong reasoning here. The key as I see it, is that a lot of things they brought under the umbrella of this game element simply.. were seriously not tribes. This goes back as far as Stormblood -- we had a guard regiment in the Fringe with quest npcs from three different peoples. In Shadowbringers, the Greatwood has us help an archaeological expedition, while in Il Mheg the whole thing is about a single indivual and a porxie, you're not questing for 'the pixies' as some tribal collective there at all. In Endwalker, Thavnair gives us a motor club inventing uber eats, and in Ultima Thule, we're helping a Loporrit and an Omicron start a cafe business.

The only thing that is still in common with this form of content is that your progress in them is measured on a reputation progress bar, so I actually think they should have called them 'Reputation Quests' already and be done with it.

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There is no reason for WoL not to involve themselves either, it could have been a good story - but something went wrong, to me it was too much Wuk Lamat, feeling like I had a psychofan who pops up from every corner and box trying to get my attention. I felt suffocated by her and every brief moment of respite, soon enough turned into *someone is knocking at the door* and me having high hopes it's someone interesting to talk to and fear that it may be Wuk. I will allow readers to guess who was behind the door.

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You saying this reminds me of the Adoring Fan of Oblivion - and I enjoy that character and put his space equivalent on my crew in Starfield because he's an intentional joke, not whatever this is. I'm now sad. (Actually the box image made me laugh, thanks for that in these dreary times lol.)

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I think people are focusing on the wrong reasoning here. The key as I see it, is that a lot of things they brought under the umbrella of this game element simply.. were seriously not tribes. This goes back as far as Stormblood -- we had a guard regiment in the Fringe with quest npcs from three different peoples. In Shadowbringers, the Greatwood has us help an archaeological expedition, while in Il Mheg the whole thing is about a single indivual and a porxie, you're not questing for 'the pixies' as some tribal collective there at all. In Endwalker, Thavnair gives us a motor club inventing uber eats, and in Ultima Thule, we're helping a Loporrit and an Omicron start a cafe business.

The only thing that is still in common with this form of content is that your progress in them is measured on a reputation progress bar, so I actually think they should have called them 'Reputation Quests' already and be done with it.

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There's definitely way too much variance in scope for a single descriptor. Just in Endwalker we had one elephant biker gang that wanted to turn over a new leaf and start a business, but also the remnants and recreations of 7(?) civilizations, at least one of which spanned countless planets.

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There's definitely way too much variance in scope for a single descriptor. Just in Endwalker we had one elephant biker gang that wanted to turn over a new leaf and start a business, but also the remnants and recreations of 7(?) civilizations, at least one of which spanned countless planets.

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Honetly at this point they're more zone quests than anything else

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Is this the Battle for Azeroth of FF14? Is Woke Lameass our Sylvanas?

Is this the beginning of the end?

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This shits so bad it makes Shadowlands and BFA look good.

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Originally Posted by Swad

This shits so bad it makes Shadowlands and BFA look good.

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Really? That's quite the claim. Not even close to being bad like BFA or Shadowlands.

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Originally Posted by FinliAbader

This thread is great for finding the absolute worst people you've ever seen in your life!

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Then you Sir/Ma'am or whatever, have No Life experience if you think, People that paid for a product and make their Displeasure known on the Official Forum, are the Worst people you will ever see
Oh boi must you have a Sheltered Existence and never intereacted with People.

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Originally Posted by Swad

This shits so bad it makes Shadowlands and BFA look good.

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lol, dawntrail is no where near shadowlands/bfa level bad.