Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

There's also a blacklist feature in the game.

There's also (NOT PROMOTING) ways with third party to hide those in particular from the PF.

Isn't that weird?

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The blackest feature in the game isn’t large enough to clean the detritus off of pf. I’d be sharing a master blocklist by now otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

In case you're unfamiliar with how the forum works, there's an ignore feature on it. You'd have to come up with quite a tortured definition of "harassment" to construe responding to a post as such. Want to test it? Try report him.

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I'm aware but you're completely and utterly missing the teachable moment.

This person claims to understand the TOS chapter and verse, that they are the righteous crusader protecting all children from the big bad adults in FFXIV.

Yet the very essence of harassment in Lawful and terms of service definition is "if consent is not given or withdrawn, that person is now committing harassment"

I withdrew consent, they chose to ignore the fact I had withdrawn it, that is the lawful definition of harassment no matter how "petty" you think it is, it's there in black and white, taught to all employees in all business across the globe.

So they were exposed as a fraud, one that quite frankly is a hypocrite that would happily bend or break the rules to suit themselves.

Be careful, the people you elevate onto a pedestal.

If he is so willing to break something as simple as consent, what other rules would he be willing to break?

Is there a darker reasoning behind why he's constantly going on about minors?

I would never surmise that, but when he breaks one simple rule in front of the community, it makes you wonder if he "doth protest too much"

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Oh please, stop that fake holier than thou attitude. Most people who loudly scream "but the minors!!!!" do it mostly to join the witch hunt, while they can comfortably hide behind questionable double standards. And no, I don't partake in any form of RP.

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Nah people do it because it is a perfectly sensible thing to do, with failing to do so having dire consequences potentially.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

There's also a blacklist feature in the game.

There's also (NOT PROMOTING) ways with third party to hide those in particular from the PF.

Isn't that weird?

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So your approach is to just use the Blacklist functionality and ignore the overarching problem. Not only that then resorting to highlighting the use of a third party in order to address a problem that need I might say is against the Terms of Service.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Okay, let's talk this out. How would they verify it? Whats to stop me from just downloading a picture of an ID and using that? Grabbing my dad's ID. Do you think they will invest in the manpower to have someone manually check the I.D of every person that (of the BILLIONS) of hits a day that uses their site?

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Well .. Simple solution then thry create more worlds but.. Only allow access to some of those words for people who link a driver license or state id and pay by credit card basically. We nedd more worlds the game is rated for such subjects so might as well do it

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

So your approach is to just use the Blacklist functionality and ignore the overarching problem. Not only that then resorting to highlighting the use of a third party in order to address a problem that need I might say is against the Terms of Service.

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People wanna argue to use third party the other way too, what's the problem? *Shrug*

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Oh please, stop that fake holier than thou attitude. Most people who loudly scream "but the minors!!!!" do it mostly to join the witch hunt, while they can comfortably hide behind questionable double standards. And no, I don't partake in any form of RP.

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Just because you might not care about the vulnerable players in this game, doesn't mean the rest of us are the same. If you're not deeply concerned that vulnerable players might be subject to creepy advances by grown men and women who want to get off, I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by poptarts12

Just because you might not care about the vulnerable players in this game, doesn't mean the rest of us are the same. If you're not deeply concerned that vulnerable players might be subject to creepy advances by grown men and women who want to get off, I don't know what to tell you.

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Why is violence okay then?

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Why is violence okay then?

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So your response to “keep kids away from being sexually exploited” is “but what about the violence?”

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Why is violence okay then?

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It's baffling at the mental gymnastics you go through just to defend typing sex acts to minors.

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Originally Posted by poptarts12

It's baffling at the mental gymnastics you go through just to defend typing sex acts to minors.

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No one is defending that. I realize you are a troll, so I am fighting you with your own medicine. YOu made it about this. You and your sock puppet account are projecting, or being a forum troll to get a reaction out of people (if so well done it actually worked)

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Originally Posted by van_arn

So your response to “keep kids away from being sexually exploited” is “but what about the violence?”

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The game is fantasy if somehing says 18 plus...
Noone is being exploited .. If they lie and say there over 18... Then rlly thats noonrs fsukt but there own.. Jumping a gun and assuning ppl dont rlly to make sure people are 18 plus 4 it.. To best of their abilitys.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings, everyone.

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed the situation. In short, there was an internal miscommunication which led to account actions being issued incorrectly. We sincerely apologize for the concern that this has caused the community. There has not been any change to our existing policy, and we want to assure players that our focus is on taking action against inappropriate advertisements/listings.

We will work to ensure proper communication is being done within the GM team and strive to ensure quality service and operations.

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Thank you for letting us know. Things happen, and I'm glad it was a simple mistake and nothing actually bad.

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Originally Posted by AncientWillow

The game is fantasy if somehing says 18 plus...
Noone is being exploited .. If they lie and say there over 18... Then rlly thats noonrs fsukt but there own.. Jumping a gun and assuning ppl dont rlly to make sure people are 18 plus 4 it.. To best of their abilitys.

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Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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If they say they are 18 then .. Sorry if its cold but honestly.. I dont care i dont erp but still if someone goes out of there way to make sure and its lie after lie .. Then i dont give a damn thats on them and parents plus the entire thing is virtusl fantasy so.. If you want to protect them dobt let them play a mmo until they turn 18 lol

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Nah people do it because it is a perfectly sensible thing to do, with failing to do so having dire consequences potentially.

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Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.

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So your approach is to just use the Blacklist functionality and ignore the overarching problem. Not only that then resorting to highlighting the use of a third party in order to address a problem that need I might say is against the Terms of Service.

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What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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18+ doesn't mean ERP. And there's plenty of free companies that have 18+ requirements, too. Should those be banned from the game, too? Don't get me wrong. I'm entirely against ERP being advertised in the Party Finder. I also don't really see the point of an 18+ RP venue since a lot of the stuff that you'd think you'd need it for, you really don't... Since it's all content in game. But a lot of the "think of the children" crap some people say seems like something some people bring up since they thing role-players are weird.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Actually it was both. I reread the interview recently. this was after that thread about people using autoclickers for buying houses. In an interview they clarified their position on third party tools and they covered mods, including lewd mods and parsers, ACT was mentioned by name and there were references to FFLogs too.

But I really don't get this divide mentality going on in the forums this past couple of days between "raider" and "RPer" and you're just playing to it too by now making a blanket statement about RPers. RPers raid. RPers make up casual players, semi casual players, hardcore players, hardcore elitists. One of my officers who runs a lot of our RP's is one of the first people on our datacentre to clear Ultimate Alexander as MNK. I get into conversations about end game content with other RPers. My RP focused FC runs raids on Sundays.

Sure there is a subset of RPers who are also casual players and only embrace the game for casual content and RP, but you also have people who well, just play for the casual content too. They're just a subset of players and has nothing to do with RP or people's interest in RP. I mean, of course nothing wrong with being casual, but yeah, folks need to stop crapping on what other people get out of the game. I can understand people being disappointed by the loss of Ultimate too, especially with the last Savage Tier already out and nothing more to come until Endwalker.

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you never get banned just for using ACT. That's why you don't see streamers banned for it even though they have it open on the screen broadday. And I never said there's literally 0 overlap between rpers and raiders but like... even in this thread I have seen mad rpers response basically be "go back to doing your savage waaaaah!" (running content is a bad thing now? lmao) but I haven't seen a single person say "this is what you rp people get it's your guys fault that we're not getting an ultimate next patch!!" which seems to be a narrative i've seen some people trying to push, like the one I was responding earlier to

The response to that would be "Keep them off the internet" or "monitor their internet use".

You don't dump your kids unattended in the middle of the internet where they can be reached by perverts or have access to porn, do you?

And if you do it speaks more about you as a parent than it does about the other adult players using a game. Which again has already been rated to warn parents that it will contain references to violence, alcohol, tobacco, sexual themes, blood, and where online interactions ARE NOT RATED, which would expose them to things you don't want them to.

If you're worried about kids then read the labels of the games you're letting them play and don't let them on the internet unescorted. Period.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.





What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

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I have a genuine and thorough concern for it due to my role outside of online to do with my career, so yes, genuine concern for it. Granted, I may have been a little denigrate with the original RP'rs yesterday, but I am still a strong advocate that either the Fellowship Finder (granted it should be better) a specific subsection on the PF for RP.

I am inclined to agree with the sentiment that it isn't right for attacking people for seeking genuine social avenues, especially in times of hardship such as these, but alas, it's just unfortunate that the bad apples are lumped in with the good ones.

The overarching problem is that people are subjected to unsolicited advertisements, which can potentially expose them to vulnerable situations than they otherwise would be subjected to, especially for potentially mature content in a public space on the Party Finder. When the Terms state that you should otherwise act in accordance with the minimum age group in the game, particularly as it pertains to public spaces, you should abide by such a guideline. Whether or not this goes beyond simple ERP is irrelevant. It's a problem all the same.

It's pretty disturbing to see so many people label any concerns about erotic role-play as 'moral panic' and 'manufactured outrage'. There's been some pretty touching insight from victims of abusive individuals who have spoken up within this very thread and the argument that people are 'projecting' is rather bizarre.

It shouldn't be rocket science as to why a lot of people simply do not want to see advertisements in the party finder for explicit interactions between players who, in many cases, cannot guarantee that they are of legal age. A lot of people have even stated that it's one thing if such matters are out of sight and behind closed doors...yet that isn't enough for some and now they seem to want to have it be a badge of honour that they can parade around.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.





What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

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I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's pretty disturbing to see so many people label any concerns about erotic role-play as 'moral panic' and 'manufactured outrage'. There's been some pretty touching insight from victims of abusive individuals who have spoken up within this very thread and the argument that people are 'projecting' is rather bizarre.

It shouldn't be rocket science as to why a lot of people simply do not want to see advertisements in the party finder for explicit interactions between players who, in many cases, cannot guarantee that they are of legal age. A lot of people have even stated that it's one thing if such matters are out of sight and behind closed doors...yet that isn't enough for some and now they seem to want to have it be a badge of honour that they can parade around.

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There are ways to make sure if you ever bern in a 18 plus thing u know with players u can make sure to the point if one slips through ita cuz they purposrly faked a id tag and name and date of birth

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

A minor isn't going to wander into an RP brothel/club/venue unless they're propositioned by someone or led there; which doesn't seem to be as common as some people want to claim it is, but the thing is if someone were to do that it would happen regardless of if there are venues to facilitate it.

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Eh, if a minor sees a brothel advertise of Party Finder, and are curious... They'll absolutely go and check in out. If only out of morbid curiosity. Some would even do it because they are horny. When I was a teenager, I was mostly a "good kid". But I absolutely got a hold of comic books and movies that sure as hell weren't made for my age group. And while I think a lot of people who are screaming "think of the children" are being totally disingenuous... I don't necessarily think the best argument against folks like that are counter-accusations or pretending that it's still not not at least a gray area in the TOS to advertise in game brothels in the Party Finder.

I'm a role-player. I'd RP a hell of a lot more than I do if Primal was more of a hotbed and once the whole data-center visit comes out... You can bet your gil I'm going to be doing it a hell of a lot more than I do now. And as a role-player on Primal... I can assure you that this did happen, in part because of certain brothels clogging up the party finder. It's 100% messed up that a GM didn't seem to realize there's a difference between a brothel ad a casual RP venue and that bit absolutely needs to be addressed... And 100%, SfW and even non-sexually explicit 18+ RP should get thrown under the bus with the rest. But we need to understand that there are bad eggs.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

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I've witnessed a kid get sent sexually explicit material, and it turns out she was being groomed by that person, an adult moderator on a pixelmon server, she was 14. It was disgusting, and the guy got banned for it when we found out about it.

I was abused and neglected as a kid, and I can tell you, for sure there's vulnerable kids out there desperately seeking social interaction, good or bad, with parents who don't give a fuck.

Is it so wrong that I don't want vulnerable kids exposed to this stuff?

Just because I am aware of this stuff, and don't want it happening to others, doesn't mean I am doing something "virtuous" to hide something, it's a matter of principle.

I just genuinely think that you shouldn't sent sexually explicit material to someone when you cannot know for certain that they are of age. Especially in a game where people know minors play.

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Originally Posted by AncientWillow

Ya it is
Its rated for such things.. If you got a proplem with it how about instend being a **** you dont allow your miniors to play the game ****

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Okay, I think you need to walk away and calm down, you are starting to get out of hand.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Okay, I think you need to walk away and calm down, you are starting to get out of hand.

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Im not im stating the truth if thry cant handle it they should get a thicker skin.

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Originally Posted by poptarts12

Given all the mental gymnastics the E/RPers in the past 5 pages alone, yeah it definitely is happening. You should possibly seek therapy or turn yourself in to the police if you think it's morally justifiable to subject minors to this filth.

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First off, I don't RP, I refuse to due to past experiences.

Secondly, I'm a sexual assault survivor. I was abused countless times in junior high while on campus as a minor if you THINK I think it's morally justifiable to subject minors to anything you're so far off-base that it's painful for me to read. The simple fact is as someone whose been PUT THROUGH that kind of situation, I've learned that while it IS a possibility, it's not the norm. It's so far from the norm that it hurts to think about even now.

Through years of self therapy and the support of others I've learned that not everyone is sick enough in the head to think that way and if you're accusing others of it with no justifiable reasoning then you have deep-seated mental issues that go far and beyond the literal trauma, social anxiety and real life issues I deal with to this very day due to my past experiences. I don't leave my house, I have panic attacks in grocery stores or down store aisles—I suffer daily because of the things I experienced, but thanks for mislabeling me as an immoral predator.

Your arguments are the same things that once came from the mouths of those who exploited me, so forgive me if I think you're the disgusting one and that you are projecting your own twisted fantasies—because that's the more realistic expectation here.

God forbid someone whose been through this kind of experience give a realistic outlook and viewpoint based on their own personal experiences.
Stop trolling, get help and move on in life.

You're not protecting anyone anywhere by being a keyboard warrior and acting like you have a moral high ground in a discussion that has been manufactured and veered off-topic to give you that position.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

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As someone who's been part of role-play communities for a very long time... Yep. Most people are chill. There's been a handful of weird people I've met over the years, but most aren't like that. I *do* however think that maybe venues explicitly designed foor ERP shouldn't be advertised in the Party Finder... And that happened on Primal... But while I could understand that being concerning, being totally cool with everyone else being thrown under the bus suggests you care less about "the children" and more about getting those weird people playing pretend out of your hair since you think they are weirdos.

GMs already came back with a statement that things are okay, and people are getting strikes removed.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6b25...6581/tenor.gif

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Lot of people divulging personal info in this thread that is not appropriate to the topic at hand. Mods wanna lock this badboy down?

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Originally Posted by Ashemmi

It is NOT rated for "god damn sexual content", get over yourself there. Teen is rated for "suggestive themes", ie the dancer on the pole which keeps getting tossed around. Mature is sexual content, and graphic sexual content is adult. I'm sorry if YOU don't understand the difference.

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Correction, scroll down to the bottom of this page and notice the ESRB label.

It does say "Sexual Themes" not "suggestive" anymore. And by the ESRB page definition of "Sexual Themes" it says they're "References to sex or sexuality". So that poledancer chick, she's not only dancing.

It also says "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB". So you may think the game is rated T for teens (if you let your teens play games with sexual themes, and alcohol and tobacco use, and violence and blood) but the online interactions are NOT rated.

Thus if you were to play this game alone and offline (which can't be played offline) then sure, it is for Teens...

But the moment its online and those teens interact with other people then its not really a game for Teens anymore.

https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/

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Originally Posted by AncientWillow

Typical bitch reply instend if accepting its rated fir mature content such as sexual and drugs and profanity you hife away becausr your a tradh parent who would rather blame a game you SHOULDBT LET YOUR MINIOR PLAY instend you choice to be fat bitch and ruin it 4 all. You might as well be kyles mom in south park.

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I'm not saying there's a little yellow triangle under the post profile on the left-hand side or anything... and I'm also not saying people should click on it if they think someone is behaving inappropriately on the forums... :rolleyes:

Who broke AncientWillow?

This reminds me of the Hunie-Pop intro between the Mexican Chick and the Junkie.

I'm honestly shocked. I've been posting here for years and I've never seen so much hostility within a thread for quite some time now. It's really not a great look for the FFXIV community.

So is this the first big drama bit in the end of expansion lull? If so, HI I'M POSTING IN THIS THREAD BEFORE IT GETS LOCKED! 8)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm honestly shocked. I've been posting here for years and I've never seen so much hostility within a thread for quite some time now. It's really not a great look for the FFXIV community.

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Honestly? And this is from someone who usually thinks RP'ers have a big persecution complex, but in XIV RP'ers are always met with a lot of hostility and its been that way since 1.0. This is just giving people an excuse to rally.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm honestly shocked. I've been posting here for years and I've never seen so much hostility within a thread for quite some time now. It's really not a great look for the FFXIV community.

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Obligatory GCBTW. My Ignore list has grown three sizes today.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm honestly shocked. I've been posting here for years and I've never seen so much hostility within a thread for quite some time now. It's really not a great look for the FFXIV community.

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Some people take their cybersex very seriously i guess...

Starting to feel like it would have been best for the GM to lock this topic after their reply.
There's no use keeping it open and if people want to discuss the potential issue of minors being groomed/involved in things they shouldn't be, I feel that's best done in a dedicated topic rather than steering every single RP related topic in that direction.

It's counter-productive and is exactly why people have fought back against it.
It's a legitimate topic and one that merits discussion, but you do no favors for anyone by demonizing RPers in a topic like this.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I may be remembering wrong but isnt there a quest where we strip down to a bikini to tantalize someone and get info off of them? Wouldnt that count as participating?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Oh my god you're right!
Hahahaha
I remember that being part of the NIN job quests.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Then places like the Beehive shouldnt be there with poledancers. Or quests where you strip down to a bikini to tantalize someone for information. Both of those revolve around adult themes. Its either fully ok or it not. The inbetween"ness" of these rules only makes things such as this make no sense

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Because nobody corrected this earlier and is just running on memory... it's not your character in the bikini (which would go over interestingly with some players) but Suzume. You're fully clothed and really just there so you see the scene play out.

As for the Beehive... we get the context, and can either like it or feel uncomfortable about it because of what we know it's hinting at. But for what is actually on-screen, a kid could go in and out and not realise it's anything more than a theatre where people are dancing on stage.