Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Actually, with a 50% increase in stats they probably could stand in WoTL and survive.

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Attributes won't help with Landslide and I've seen Dragoons with over 5k HP get one shot by a couple stacked WoTL. So, adding 1.7K HP or so to a player with 3.5K HP won't stop them from being one shot if they can't dodge. More than anything, the buff will make it so the DPS race isn't as difficult to complete and so that healers have an easier time during unavoidable stuff.

I have 6 relics and Titan HM is a cake walk to me now (I regularly offer to help FC mates who need it), but, I understand players pain. You could go the whole fight and never get hit by anything and still lose constantly because other people can't seem to dodge. Besides that, I don't mind if other players have an easier time obtaining their relic. I had fun getting mine the old way and I'll have fun getting my last three when my SCH/SUM and MNK are level 50. Then again, I play for fun. Not bragging rights.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

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You play in a way that causes you personal confliction because of the way you are. You already stated that twice and you probably aren't realizing it that you are your own barrier.

Regardless by the end of the day one's playstyle isn't changing, old content isn't extinct, and the echo buff is optional just like wearing best in slot gear. So the paranoia and complaining is still beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

Attributes won't help with Landslide and I've seen Dragoons with over 5k HP get one shot by a couple stacked WoTL. So, adding 1.7K HP or so to a player with 3.5K HP won't stop them from being one shot if they can't dodge. More than anything, the buff will make it so the DPS race isn't as difficult to complete and so that healers have an easier time during unavoidable stuff.

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It would be nice if Dragoon would use the buff as indication that it's okay to stop dpsing for a couple of seconds to avoid mechanics. Yet at least that do dodge can make up for 1 Dragoon in the party that dies to landslide or upheaval.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

By overgearing content (full DL is far enough for HM primals) you're already nerfing it passively. but I don't think you've even considered it that way. They are just accelerating the process that the players already do. Instead of farming for equipment you don't need to do the fights, they give you a bonus to beat the fights without the stuff farming method.


All in all, players dumbing content due to overgear or beating it with buff at the right equipment level, I can't see any difference

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I think it's different cause then I have worked for my gear and didn't get a free buff for it. Also Titan hm is scary. So I'd rather work for my gear and then go for a hard trial than being able to do it without that gear. (Sure it's possible anyways but I'm not that good at dodging stuff)

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

That's an extreme example.

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So what you're saying is - You still use your DL gear for your main even after you get i90, which came out in the same patch as DL gear?

I would rather they nerf older content than nerfing the job I enjoy playing.
I went through that in FFXI. It's no fun.

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

Attributes won't help with Landslide and I've seen Dragoons with over 5k HP get one shot by a couple stacked WoTL. So, adding 1.7K HP or so to a player with 3.5K HP won't stop them from being one shot if they can't dodge. More than anything, the buff will make it so the DPS race isn't as difficult to complete and so that healers have an easier time during unavoidable stuff.

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I never said anything about landslide. As far as stacked plumes; don't stand near other people. That has nothing to do with latency or even being bad. It's not hard to stand alone, even after he destroys the majority of the instance. You're also forgetting in addition to the 50% hp increase, their defense and magic defense is also being increased by 50%. So yes, likely someone with around 4.5-5k AND a 50% defensive stat increase could stand in multiple plumes and survive.

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Originally Posted by Roris

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I agree with you. I can understand how some people play it like a single player game (or well I don't reaaally understand it cause I love the social part of mmorpgs) but I still feel like that isn't the way mmorpgs should be.
Maybe I feel this way cause I haven't played another mmorpg since Wow Vanilla. And I think that is one of the best mmorpgs out there. I was at level 60 for a year and got like 2 or 3 epics during that year, yet I kept playing cause I loved doing raids (even though my guild could barely do mc and we never managed to down the first boss in the 2nd big dungeon bwl or summin like that) and the challenge and preperations for every raid was so much fun.
I guess I'm still used to old school wow

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So what you're saying is - You still use your DL gear for your main even after you get i90, which came out in the same patch as DL gear?

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What are you talking about? I used DL to get i90 gear. You can only get maybe 1 piece of i90 a week from mythology, and 1 or 2 pieces if you're lucky from BC. I wasn't doing BC day 1. It sounds like you're saying, "i90 exists, i70 doesn't matter". I wasn't i90 in 1 day. I'm still not i90 on my "main" (I play 4 different roles). I don't understand your point.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

As far as stacked plumes; don't stand near other people.

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You are suppose to stack on top of each other.

Never know why people never did it in hard it only promotes laziness.

Two two things that are really fun in this game so far are coil and EX primals. Our guild is still working on both T5, and Titan EX (mostly due to lag issues on Titan,) and they haven't grown old yet. I like content that is challenging to beat, and I while I can understand the logic behind making the old stuff easier I think they are doing it too fast in XIV. Rather than nerfing the content at this point I think they should work on fixing the lag issues then see how people do and make adjustments. Basically they have a game whose challenge appears to be centered around reacting to things in a timely fashion and we often can't as a result of server lag. This buff they are adding seems more like a band-aid than a fix to me.