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can we all just swallow a giant chill pill on this topic until at least one of us has played the alpha, or even wait until beta?

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Good luck with that :/, its hard for them to swallow a small one let alone a big one -.-.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Good luck with that :/, its hard for them to swallow a small one let alone a big one -.-.

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lol i've noticed. i doubt they could even swallow their pride if it came down to it.

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Originally Posted by Jamison

But that's exactly why I would prefer global servers. So I can play the game, not just in primetime, but any free time that I have (which is admittedly some very strange hours). I had a great PT at 6am this past weekend that was a split of NA/JP/EU. We had a heck of a time doing random flights and just hanging out. I will sorely miss that.

As others have said, even though they will offer a choice of which region server you want to be on, that will be most appropriate to (as an example) an English speaker who happens to be living in another country, or vice-versa; or someone who had a non-standard work schedule and regularly plays at a time that isn't their normal primetime.

What this will NOT do is provide for global servers that are active at all times of the day. Even though I really enjoy playing with JP/EU, being on one of their servers will still be to my detriment due to the lack of NA. I don't *gain* anything through that making that choice.

I realize why this is being done, but it still makes me sad that one of the things I (and many others) particularly enjoy about FFXI and FFXIV is going away.

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Random fights you have more of a chance to do things with random Cultures, but when it comes to Primals/Strongholds/Dungeons ( end gameish content) More than likely you will be turned down if you don;t know their language.

Random fights are as they are "Random" thus everyone at a certain point should know what they are doing and shouldn't come a crossed any problems at all. With content that requires Strategy it's a different story, at that point people really need to be Communicative to get things done. If you can't rely the strat to the other Language thoroughly, You will have a rough time getting it done.

Dying is fun, dying too many times is not fun. I understand everyone has different work schedules and what not, thus Global servers are better suited to everyone's needs, however when you look at the broad scope of things and get real thick into the ice, Getting into end-game content with people not of said Language is very tricky and can slow other people down from getting top-gear and all that jazz.

As I said before Global and Regional servers have their advantages.

Global servers= Having time to play with others regardless of time you play ( but suffer Latency if your far way from the server)
Regional- No Language Barriers, No Latency, the only flaw people schedules may conflict with the Regional Prime time.

Some things in life we have to work around things to achieve a happy medium. If they could some how Combine Regional/Global Servers to make it still Global but sill choose a server closest to you and still play with everyone around the world. I would be for that.

But if I had to choose it would be Regional Servers.

yay information to translate
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...247#post840247

People will not voluntarily step out of their comfort zone (a.k.a. regional servers). But without stepping out, they won't get to mix around with people from other cultures.
-> SE gave people a small push in the back there with their original server vision which is a good thing.

I doubt many of those with a good circle of international friends now planned to do it in the beginning. Forced into such parties and later growing to like it, that was the beauty of global servers.

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Originally Posted by Zahak

yay information to translate
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...247#post840247

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Translation in a nutshell:
New servers will be set aside for new players in 2.0. Existing players will not be able to transfer into these new worlds for the time being.

On the topic of world transfers on existing servers, they will need to take into account how many non-active players will be returning by the time of the new service launch, so they will also be considering the situation in the beta tests before deciding.

And the improved ease of world transfer mentioned by Yoshi-P during the anniversary just means there will be such a system providing world transfer service set up for 2.0.

Let's see how many speculations will be born from that newest Dev post...
The discussion has moved in circles a couple of times now, I'll wait for some new developments first.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Random fights you have more of a chance to do things with random Cultures, but when it comes to Primals/Strongholds/Dungeons ( end gameish content) More than likely you will be turned down if you don;t know their language.

Random fights are as they are "Random" thus everyone at a certain point should know what they are doing and shouldn't come a crossed any problems at all. With content that requires Strategy it's a different story, at that point people really need to be Communicative to get things done. If you can't rely the strat to the other Language thoroughly, You will have a rough time getting it done.

Dying is fun, dying too many times is not fun. I understand everyone has different work schedules and what not, thus Global servers are better suited to everyone's needs, however when you look at the broad scope of things and get real thick into the ice, Getting into end-game content with people not of said Language is very tricky and can slow other people down from getting top-gear and all that jazz.

As I said before Global and Regional servers have their advantages.

Global servers= Having time to play with others regardless of time you play ( but suffer Latency if your far way from the server)
Regional- No Language Barriers, No Latency, the only flaw people schedules may conflict with the Regional Prime time.

Some things in life we have to work around things to achieve a happy medium. If they could some how Combine Regional/Global Servers to make it still Global but sill choose a server closest to you and still play with everyone around the world. I would be for that.

But if I had to choose it would be Regional Servers.

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You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.

I don't care who I play with as long as I can finally play on a server in my region. Great news :D

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Originally Posted by VanillaLatte

You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.

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End game content hardly has any other cultures, besides that you can get other people with other languages. but when it comes to end game content, you hardly see anyone outside your language.

Edit: Seems like everyone on here knows German/French/Japanese/English... teach me some...

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Originally Posted by VanillaLatte

You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.

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As long latency is the con, ppl that wanna do Endgame seriously will go to regional servers and not to a global one. So if they can't fix latency without splitting ppl to regional datacenters you will only have endgame groups in the primetime of the region in wich the server is located at.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

As long latency is the con, ppl that wanna do Endgame seriously will go to regional servers and not to a global one. So if they can't fix latency without splitting ppl to regional datacenters you will only have endgame groups in the primetime of the region in wich the server is located at.

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I don't think end game is an issue here. I'm sure it's already the case even in global server that NA groups do their end game in NA prime time and JP groups do their end game in JP prime time.

It's more for the time when it's outside your region's prime time. You'll be able to do non-end-game stuff at any time of the day (i.e. level up, quests, hang around and travel and can see people, doing events that require a large group of people, high level content that's not in the difficulty of the absolute end game content (i.e. moogle)).

And in regards to latency, one thing I'm always confused about is why is reflex the way to make content hard. Can't they think of difficult content that require strategy instead of dodging fire on the ground within 1 sec kind of stuff?

I won't say how rude some JP players have been towards me in game, but I will say this:

WTF can't my 28 conjurer find a party on this so called global server ?

^ WTF can't you make your own instead of having to join one?

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Originally Posted by VanillaLatte

I don't think end game is an issue here. I'm sure it's already the case even in global server that NA groups do their end game in NA prime time and JP groups do their end game in JP prime time.

It's more for the time when it's outside your region's prime time. You'll be able to do non-end-game stuff at any time of the day (i.e. level up, quests, hang around and travel and can see people, doing events that require a large group of people, high level content that's not in the difficulty of the absolute end game content (i.e. moogle)).

And in regards to latency, one thing I'm always confused about is why is reflex the way to make content hard. Can't they think of difficult content that require strategy instead of dodging fire on the ground within 1 sec kind of stuff?

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As long you have bad latency at global servers ppl will go on regional cause of Endgame. And the time when you didnt have to move during fights (like in most XI fights) are outdated. Movement is part of endgame content and the EU/NA delay can fuck this up.

Its simple, SE only needs to fix latency for EU/NA and ppl will go on global servers.

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Originally Posted by VanillaLatte

You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.

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Confirmed for playing in NA timezone. It's been almost 10 years since Europe have been screwed up on these so called "global servers". (talking about XI too)

It was hell on XI to find a Linkshell that was right for you, endgame wise. Yes all Worlds had some EU shells, but the choice was really low, especially if you wanted to focus on a specific activity, you had way less choices or no choice at all.

Right now XIV content is fine because it's 8 players max, so it's not as hard to find a decent EU dedicated group, then again, if you're not on Ragnarok it can be really hard.

I don't care about playing on a server active at any point of time. The only thing that matters is the server to be active when I am online. What happen before and after I log out is irrelevant to me. And right now, there is no such luxury for EU players, barely able to play during their own Prime Time.

If we ever get end-game involving 24 players on a regular basis (i.e. like Dynamis or "Raids" in other MMOs), I don't see "Global Servers" having more than ~2 decent EU raids. Which is a problem in itself as even if a group is "EU" their schedule may not be right for you. I play other titles in EU EN only servers and even there, not all raid group suits you.

Parameters to take in consideration:

- Level of progression (cannot join a group that is already too advanced gear wise)
- Schedule (start and end of raid, need to be at home before start time and need the raid not to end too late, start time is usually the biggest issue though)
- Frequency of raids (usually 3~5 nights a week, but some players cannot commit to 4 or 5 nights a week, so it makes it hard to join these group)
- Stance toward endgame (casual, semi-hardcore, hardcore...)

These 4 factors alone filter out easily half of guilds for some players. No need to restrict choices even more by adding timezone differences and languages issues. (I'm not even talking about latency here.)

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

^ WTF can't you make your own instead of having to join one?

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WTF can't i find my own party!

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Confirmed for playing in NA timezone. It's been almost 10 years since Europe have been screwed up on these so called "global servers". (talking about XI too)

It was hell on XI to find a Linkshell that was right for you, endgame wise. Yes all Worlds had some EU shells, but the choice was really low, especially if you wanted to focus on a specific activity, you had way less choices or no choice at all.

Right now XIV content is fine because it's 8 players max, so it's not as hard to find a decent EU dedicated group, then again, if you're not on Ragnarok it can be really hard.

I don't care about playing on a server active at any point of time. The only thing that matters is the server to be active when I am online. What happen before and after I log out is irrelevant to me. And right now, there is no such luxury for EU players, barely able to play during their own Prime Time.

If we ever get end-game involving 24 players on a regular basis (i.e. like Dynamis or "Raids" in other MMOs), I don't see "Global Servers" having more than ~2 decent EU raids. Which is a problem in itself as even if a group is "EU" their schedule may not be right for you. I play other titles in EU EN only servers and even there, not all raid group suits you.

Parameters to take in consideration:

- Level of progression (cannot join a group that is already too advanced gear wise)
- Schedule (start and end of raid, need to be at home before start time and need the raid not to end too late, start time is usually the biggest issue though)
- Frequency of raids (usually 3~5 nights a week, but some players cannot commit to 4 or 5 nights a week, so it makes it hard to join these group)
- Stance toward endgame (casual, semi-hardcore, hardcore...)

These 4 factors alone filter out easily half of guilds for some players. No need to restrict choices even more by adding timezone differences and languages issues. (I'm not even talking about latency here.)

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Right now the issue is no one plays this game thus the low popularity. If ARR is successful and becomes popular, the servers will be populated with players from all regions - unless you're saying very low # of people from EU will play ARR so they all need to unite and play on the same server to make sure EU population is good.

Edit: either way they're making regional servers. You'll get what you wanted and I'll miss the mix of cultures and i'll be prepared to not be able to do events like Atomos outside of peak hours.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Why can't my 28 conjurer find a party on this so called global server ?

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Hey man, I'd love to play with you once I get the free time. We can do mites together near Nophica's Wells. Alright?
Edit: Its kind of pointless to be complaining about it now, as the game is going to shut down in a few weeks, anyway. :|

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Originally Posted by VanillaLatte

Right now the issue is no one plays this game thus the low popularity. If ARR is successful and becomes popular, the servers will be populated with players from all regions - unless you're saying very low # of people from EU will play ARR so they all need to unite and play on the same server to make sure EU population is good.

Edit: either way they're making regional servers. You'll get what you wanted and I'll miss the mix of cultures and i'll be prepared to not be able to do events like Atomos outside of peak hours.

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You can't expect that all the ppl will suddenly start playing just cause ARR gets released, it will take time to get ppl back into the game. In this time you will have 1-2 EU endgame shells on a global server, and alot ppl will still have the problem that they might not find one that fits for them. Regional Servers will be specially for EU Player something that will help alot.

I dislike the fact that we "old" players wont be able to chose an other server at release (server transfer).. only new players can create characters where they want to (most of them for sure will create chars on the new recomanded worlds).

So that could mean, that i am still stuck on a server which is located in japan.. woot*
and dislike the fact also to try to seperate new players from the old. the community could use some fresh players as well.. !

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I dislike the fact that we "old" players wont be able to chose an other server at release (server transfer).. only new players can create characters where they want to (most of them for sure will create chars on the new recomanded worlds).

So that could mean, that i am still stuck on a server which is located in japan.. woot*
and dislike the fact also to try to seperate new players from the old. the community could use some fresh players as well.. !

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Old players can't choose a "New players" Server because they have to establish their Economy first. We can however Transfer to an "Existing players" server that will be most likely split up into regions.

Masamune becomes NA
Ridil becomes EU
Balmung stays JP
Ragnarok stays EU

Those servers + the other ones I didn't mention we can transfer to

etc etc, I'm sure that's how its going to go, while New player servers will have New server names and you cannot transfer to them for a legitimate reason ( the economy). it will probably be 3 months to a year till existing players can transfer there. New players can transfer anywhere I think since no matter what their decision is it won't effect a new players economy, however they probably wouldn't be able to return to that new server till it's been fully established.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

^ WTF can't you make your own instead of having to join one?

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i make parties all the time so do your homework or STFU

and yes i cheat if my party is x/8 i'll do /sh experience points party do you need it Ry - Ry+6 x/8

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

only new players can create characters where they want to

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They stated that everyone can create a new character on any world he or she wants to.
That includes old players as well. You won't be able to transfer your character "Quichy Sturmbruch" to a new world at first, but if you want to create a new character, let's say "Quicky Sturmbuch", you can create him on any of the new worlds you like.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

and dislike the fact also to try to seperate new players from the old. the community could use some fresh players as well.. !

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Some new players will join the old worlds for sure. Most of them because they have friends who kept playing 1.0 and who they want to play together with and others because they just prefer joining an "old" server with an already established community, market, etc. :)
I understand SE's wish to not confront those who do not fall in the aforementioned category with grumpy old players flooding the market with their millions of Gil and while complaining how "everything was better/harder/etc. back in their time"..;)

Hooray for Square Enix and being pro-selective racism!!:)

This is a joke... Sadly there is no sarcastic font...

This really sucks...

I'm going to be heart broken if my friends disappear and pick another server because of this crap ;~;

Honestly I hope this will be rethought before release. Regional server, no matter if hard-segregated or not, are one of the worst things that can happen to the game.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Honestly I hope this will be rethought before release. Regional server, no matter if hard-segregated or not, are one of the worst things that can happen to the game.

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Can you explain why you believe this in terms other than "I don't like it"?

Almost all MMOs have regional servers, including industry heavy hitter WoW, and nobody in those games bat an eyelash. It isn't even a concern. Not even a thought.

They would probably even think we are crazy for debating this topic the way we have been. Much like the jump issue.

well if this is going to work out how it sounds; segregated servers...that sucks hard. that's part of the whole FF experience playing with people from many different countries and languages. what a shame...

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Can you explain why you believe this in terms other than "I don't like it"?

Almost all MMOs have regional servers, including industry heavy hitter WoW, and nobody in those games bat an eyelash. It isn't even a concern. Not even a thought.

They would probably even think we are crazy for debating this topic the way we have been. Much like the jump issue.

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The topic has been discussed for a million posts already.

1: we've been promised an international community since way before the launch of the game. Cultural diversity is a plus to many, and it was one of the element that made the Final Fantasy XI community one of the best in the MMORPG market.

2: global servers mean constant traffic at every hour. Local servers mean that playing at off times people find themselves in ghost towns.

3: Many of us have established contacts and friends from all regions (If i want to play only with Europeans, I'll walk out of the door with a soccer ball), and find that idea of splitting the current community, forcing people to chose between their friends in choosing to what regional server to go, is pretty much asinine.

The internet is a global affair, segregating people by region should be a thing of the past, and I'm rather appalled to see people (albeit an obvious minority) supporting it.

Hopefully SE will read and understand that the community doesn't want it.

1) It's a nice little perk, yes, but it's not essential to the game. I really truly don't know anyone who bought this game based on the fact that it has more cultural diversity.

2) This is a massive exaggeration. Regional servers does not mean off peak ghost towns. WoW doesn't seem to have this problem. Yes, there won't be as many people on, but enough people have differing life schedules that you have some people on at all times.

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The internet is a global affair, segregating people by region should be a thing of the past.

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Yeah well unfortunately life sucks and the world segeregates people by country, by culture, by market, by tastes and preferences, yada yada. DVDs and blu rays are region locked, video games are region locked, you're lucky to have this game that even after this change, won't be region locked.

The thing is, this isn't segregation. Everyone is still welcome to play with people on any server in any region. The fact that we're kept on our own servers initially helps reinforce this. A lot of people aren't going to move and some people specifically want to get away from their own region and will choose other servers. There will still be some mixing.

There is no magic way to please everyone here- this debate will rage on forever.

It was... *fun* reading the 980+ replies to this thread, took me long hours, but I was very interested, I wanted to know what everyone was thinking about this decision. It showed me how messed up our community can be, and made me think "Wow.. I'm so happy for the Japanese players, and I'm a bit jealous, because they won't be playing with such people anymore."

Of course I'm not talking about everyone here, there were many people in this thread who said what I wanted to say literally, and they kept explaining themselves over and over even though they didn't have to do that.

But I'm talking about the people who have no personal attachment to the game other than having their own demands answered, and then trolling and ruining other people's posts who want nothing but the best for this community.

First, let me clarify that there are many English-speaking players who do not live in NA, EU or Japan. Yes, it's true, surprise surprise.

And many of these people might be *close* to one of those regions than the others, but as far as the latency go, it won't be faster or slower for them. It does not matter which region they choose, it will just be the same. And these are the people who are hurt the most from this decision. Because their friends from NA, EU and JP are going to be divided, and they have to cut their losses and choose one of the 3 regions.

I honestly wanted to read all the 980ish replies so I'd know what to expect from our beloved forum readers, and to guess the brilliant repeated answers they will throw at me, because apparently they took it upon themselves to answer every question and request we direct towards Square-Enix FFXIV Dev.Team as if they were hired by them or something. If it's your job, if you're getting paid by turning this thread into a 99-pages thread that's full of insults and repeated arguments, then good for you, but if you're doing it for simply no reason at all, then please, just close this page, and go do something better with your time.

Second, and mainly, I'd like to request Globally-labeled servers as a 4th choice after the 3 regions.
Yes, I know, we can't have "Global" servers because the server has to physically exist in a country. (This was debated and explained over and over in 200+ posts) We just want a server to be labeled "Global" and it can just exist in Japan since Square-Enix is originally a Japanese company. Or it can exist in NA or wherever, it doesn't matter.

And before you start going "What's the use of just naming it Global? You can just choose one of the three types of servers you have, they are all global, just located in different places, labeling will deceive people."

No, it won't deceive people, when people go through the character creation menu and jump to the servers list, and when they see the labels "NA", "EU" and "JP". They won't think "They are global but they are just data centers in these locations" No, this is a game, they won't start researching the meaning behind the labels, the simplest idea will pop on their heads and they will think:
"NA means: for NA players", "EU means: for EU players" and "JP means: for JP players" and they will choose the server that's located in their region, and that kills the concept of "global servers"

When you make a 4th choice, and call it a "Global server" it just means "A server for everyone" that simple. This will insure that everyone has a choice. An actual choice.

Yes it might be bit "laggy", but I doubt it will be that bad, and for us players who aren't in NA, EU or JP. It will be the same speed anywhere, anyway. And we are confident that, at the very least, it will be faster than how it is right now.

So.. time for some fun: FAQs by Trolls

"Why don't you just choose one of the three regions already?"
Because I want to play with all of my friends, selfish, right? Well, Square-Enix introduced them to me in its global online RPGs. And I don't want Square-Enix to be the reason I begin to choose which to follow and which to leave behind. I have awesome friends who are always fun to hang out with, from all over the world, and it will be an honor to keep hanging out with them in ARR. We're not asking for a miracle, we're asking for a feature that's supposed to be in this game forever.

"Then why don't you just ask your friends to come with you?"
It's not a simple thing, it's a long chain, this guy has to be in a NA server because his wife will go there, because she promised her sister. And this guy has friends who entered the game for him, he has to go where they decide to go as a group. And this LS decided to stay...etc
Yeah it's not simple at all, they have their friends/family in-game, and these friends/family have friends..
And they are all saying the same thing, "If only there was a Global server", they are all willing to compromise.

"Then why don't you just stay where you are????"
The current servers aren't global, they won't stay global, they will be labeled under a region, and people of that region will fill the place, leaving no spot for global interaction. I love Japanese players, but I don't want to be one of 50 English-speaking players in a world full of Japanese players, and the same goes for EU and NA players, there has to be a balance.

"Just get new friends" "friends are temporary, lag is forever"
Stuff like that has been said over and over, and I feel bad for the people who meant that, if you look down on your online friends, or if you couldn't find real friends online, then it's your problem, not ours. There are people out there who actually care about their online friends and would like to keep hanging out with them.

"Make a new character for each region."
Yeah right, we spent 2 years on our characters, only to make a new character for each regional server later. I'm absolutely sure this was said by people who didn't spend much time in FFXIV, so it didn't matter much to them.

"Then quit"
We invested so much time on this game, and supported it with everything we got, from monthly fees in a questionable time, to votes and attention. We love Final Fantasy XIV and Square-Enix, and we are going to keep supporting it. Who are you to tell people to quit?

of course this FAQ has a looo~ng list, but I'm going to stop with these.
Thanks for reading my post, and I'm sorry if I made it long, it's just the result of reading this entire thread.

One last thing to the people who are going to reply for the fun on it:
This request was intended to reach Square-Enix and to be replied by them hopefully, unless you're in their team, you don't really have to reply, really, you don't. No one is going to give you a trophy for shooting people's ideas down. And you won't lose anything, you will still have your pwecious~<3 regional servers :) if you want an "attaboy", we will give you one in advance. 1.. 2.. 3.. ATTABOY! Now go away.

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Because their friends from NA, EU and JP are going to be divided, and they have to cut their losses and choose one of the 3 regions.

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Their friends won't be divided. they can simply choose to join the server their friends are on instead of what's most convenient for them.

Divisions occur in every world server-based MMO whenever new servers are added or old ones retired. This is not new, only the circumstance under which it is happening is. Accept it and move on. Sometimes you do forge true friendships in these games- and those are the people you stick with. Most "friends" are just aquaintances, and while it sucks to leave them, jjust like the new kid on the block, you will make new friends, and for me that's actually something to be excited about.

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One last thing to the people who are going to reply for the fun on it:
This request was intended to reach Square-Enix and to be replied by them hopefully, unless you're in their team, you don't really have to reply, really, you don't.

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You're not going to get dev replies just because you ask for them. They reply to topics when they have news that is relevant to the topic- not because someone wants to be replied to (Who wouldn't want community rep responses)? Therfore, you can skip the disclaimers because people are going to read it, and they're going to reply to it. This is a debate with two sides and no real gray area. People are either on one side or the other. Nobody's shooting ideas down, but people are being firm about their opinions and that's just fine. And on that note, while I disagree with yours, I do respect it.

The addition of regional servers is by no means a holy grail of amazing goodness, but while it isn't a perfect solution, it does have its benefits.

And in this thread, you can see the discussion cycle being repeated all over again for the hundred time....

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The topic has been discussed for a million posts already.

1: we've been promised an international community since way before the launch of the game. Cultural diversity is a plus to many, and it was one of the element that made the Final Fantasy XI community one of the best in the MMORPG market.

2: global servers mean constant traffic at every hour. Local servers mean that playing at off times people find themselves in ghost towns.

3: Many of us have established contacts and friends from all regions (If i want to play only with Europeans, I'll walk out of the door with a soccer ball), and find that idea of splitting the current community, forcing people to chose between their friends in choosing to what regional server to go, is pretty much asinine.

The internet is a global affair, segregating people by region should be a thing of the past, and I'm rather appalled to see people (albeit an obvious minority) supporting it.

Hopefully SE will read and understand that the community doesn't want it.

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You have forgotten an very important fact:

SE promised to fix the latency problem, and if its the only way they can do it, its sad cause you might have to choose between lagfree endgame or internationality but thats still your choice.

It's not like in other games where you cant go to anothers region server, you can still play where you want...

And there is a part of the community that wants it if its the only way to play the game without massive latency problems.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Their friends won't be divided. they can simply choose to join the server their friends are on instead of what's most convenient for them.

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It's funny how the few people that support segregated servers seem unable to read and understand a simple concept. let me help you for the sake of clarity.

When you have friends from three different regions and those friends are suddenly split into three different servers, you can't "simply join to choose the server your friends are on", because many of your friends will go to the servers of their own region, forcing you to choose between them.

It isn't rocket science. Of course it's very convenient to ignore this not so little detail, since it invalidates the already weak pro-regional servers justification.

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There is no magic way to please everyone here- this debate will rage on forever.

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Of course. When you can't please everyone, you please the majority, and it's quite evident where the majority stands.

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The addition of regional servers is by no means a holy grail of amazing goodness, but while it isn't a perfect solution, it does have its benefits.

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They do not, when the netcode is decent. Regional servers are nothing else than a cop out.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

You have forgotten an very important fact:

SE promised to fix the latency problem, and if its the only way they can do it, its sad cause you might have to choose between lagfree endgame or internationality but thats still your choice.

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You have forgotten a very important fact:

Latency is fixed by good netcode, not by segregating the servers. I'm from Europe, and play on US servers on basically every MMORPG that allows it. I have no appreciable lag, and my average ping of 100-110 on most games doesn't influence me in the least.

On TERA, that is probably the MMO that is impacted most by latency, i play on the US servers as well, and guess what? no problem at all. In Nexus, that has me complete against a whole server of other tanks for aggro, my rotations are still faster than most and I can hold aggro more consistently than anyone else in my server.

Why? Because they have implemented decent netcode in their game.

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And there is a part of the community that wants it if its the only way to play the game without massive latency problems.

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Looking at this thread, and at many threads before, that part of the community is a vast minority.

Global servers were a major publicized point for this game. Hopefully SE will withdraw this localized servers cop-out and go back to the right track, with a quality netcode that supports it.

Fact is as long latency doesnt get fixed in some other ways (i know that its possible without regional server) its an option that alot EU player gonna use, cause they have way more problems with delay then NA players.


As long the latency problem isnt fixed this discussion will never end. If they fix it prolly 99% of the ppl gonna vote for global servers, but i doubt they just gonna change their mind and find another solution in the next 2-3 months.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

Fact is as long latency doesnt get fixed in some other ways (i know that its possible without regional server) its an option that alot EU player gonna use, cause they have way more problems with delay then NA players.

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Bad EU players have problems, mind you. I can tank and deal damage like any american without the slightest problem. Have always been since release. Wonder why?

Maybe I just don't suck :D

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As long the latency problem isnt fixed this discussion will never end. If they fix it prolly 99% of the ppl gonna vote for global servers, but i doubt they just gonna change their mind and find another solution in the next 2-3 months.

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So since so far they seemed to be unable to implement decent netcode in their game, you support a cop out? Yeah, great idea, instead of pushing them to actually fix the problem.

The majority is expressing their favor for global servers anyway. Segregating the servers with the community already formed is just a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

As long the latency problem isnt fixed this discussion will never end.

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They allready showed us how good the latency is at gamescon they were connected to the server in japan in germany and had no noticable lag at all.

People are now only worried about milliseconds not large delays.

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Also using the "Majority" vote doesn't really work we haven't had a official poll on the subject and the numbers varry greatly depending on what thread this discussion has taken place in. People are very divided on the subject.

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Also using the "Majority" vote doesn't really work we haven't had a official poll on the subject and the numbers varry greatly depending on what thread this discussion has taken place in. People are very divided on the subject.

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I still need to find *one* person in game that doesn't think that the regional servers idea sucks bollocks. And that in two years. All the threads on the subject on both the English and JP forums have always had a trouncing majority in favor of the global servers.

Really don't see this division. It's only the few hardcores that think a ping over 50 somewhat makes them bad (probably because they're bad to begin with), that continue to bring it up.