Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

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Originally Posted by Asako

If it's not your first time and you are constantly dying to the easiest of mechanics that have been drilled into you then why should the rest of the party have to put up with it? It's getting beyond a joke now watching players die to the most basic of attacks then rush to the forums to complain that the content is too hard.

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How many times must it be drilled into you that 90% of deaths isn't even your own fault. Please tell me how you're supposed to prevent dying to a raidwide because the healers are dead?

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

How many times must it be drilled into you that 90% of deaths isn't even your own fault. Please tell me how you're supposed to prevent dying to a raidwide because the healers are dead?

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So, taking the chance for the healers to kill the party away from them would be a good thing, then, right? You don't have to sit there and watch as the completely incompetent healers screw something up again and again and again.

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Originally Posted by Asako

DPS, melee especially have a lot of self sustain now also and they can survive for several minutes also without a healer via potions/bloodbath/2nd Wind and other abilities. They also should not be dying to basic mechanics but no one says anything to them when they die.

Instead of flaming your Tanks for not dying, try asking your healers and DPS what went wrong and try to correct it instead. Did they use their self sustain? Did they use their mitigation? Most of the time you'll find the answer is no. You rarely see Addle or Feint up for raidwides, even when they know the damage will kill them, but they will absolutely be the first ones in chat to start complaining. When's the last time most of you used potions?

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even a measly stack marker in a dungeon can kill a dps lmao what are you smoking

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Originally Posted by Isala

So, taking the chance for the healers to kill the party away from them would be a good thing, then, right? You don't have to sit there and watch as the completely incompetent healers screw something up again and again and again.

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Great thing this is a teamwork game. Oh wait..

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

even a measly stack marker in a dungeon can kill a dps lmao what are you smoking



Great thing this is a teamwork game. Oh wait..

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As stated before, if you aren't putting in the effort to learn how to play the team game at 100, then it's your own fault when people decide to do it for you. Be a team member and contribute.

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Originally Posted by Isala

As stated before, if you aren't putting in the effort to learn how to play the team game at 100, then it's your own fault when people decide to do it for you. Be a team member and contribute.

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“If you don’t “play the team game” by magically surviving an attack that will kill you because the healer died and the tank ran away you can’t be unhappy the tanks kills the boss himself”

Do you honestly hear yourself, you are basically just advocating for limitless tank agency in the encounter even at the expense of DPS who may not be at fault

If you followed your garbage logic all the way through you should be resetting if the DPS died to no fault of their own and wants to reset otherwise you are robbing the DPS of agency you so desperately want the tank to have

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

“If you don’t “play the team game” by magically surviving an attack that will kill you because the healer died and the tank ran away you can’t be unhappy the tanks kills the boss himself”

Do you honestly hear yourself, you are basically just advocating for limitless tank agency in the encounter even at the expense of DPS who may not be at fault

If you followed your garbage logic all the way through you should be resetting if the DPS died to no fault of their own and wants to reset otherwise you are robbing the DPS of agency you so desperately want the tank to have

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I know you want to create a boogeyman of the evil tank letting the DPS die, but I have had a vast amount of dungeons where both DPS and the tank survived through entire boss fights after the healer splatters themselves over and over again. Just takes a slight bit of competence to keep each other alive, through use of things like Addle, Feint, Curing Waltz, etc. And that's just on the DPS side. Drink a potion FFS.

I, and many other players are tired of having to adjust for the incompetence of players who can't do their job at the sixth level cap. This stopped being an excuse when 50 was the level cap, now that we're double that, it's sheer laziness to not understand how to play. And before anyone goes "But what about level skippers?!" Screw them. Their terrible decisions aren't my problem either. If they can't be bothered to look up information, they shouldn't have skipped.

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Originally Posted by Isala

I know you want to create a boogeyman of the evil tank letting the DPS die, but I have had a vast amount of dungeons where both DPS and the tank survived through entire boss fights after the healer splatters themselves over and over again. Just takes a slight bit of competence to keep each other alive, through use of things like Addle, Feint, Curing Waltz, etc. And that's just on the DPS side. Drink a potion FFS.

I, and many other players are tired of having to adjust for the incompetence of players who can't do their job at the sixth level cap. This stopped being an excuse when 50 was the level cap, now that we're double that, it's sheer laziness to not understand how to play. And before anyone goes "But what about level skippers?!" Screw them. Their terrible decisions aren't my problem either. If they can't be bothered to look up information, they shouldn't have skipped.

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Yes and that’s fine

Except you’ll find 99 tanks out of 100 when the healer dies will panic and hoard their self heals

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yes and that’s fine

Except you’ll find 99 tanks out of 100 when the healer dies will panic and hoard their self heals

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I know "anecdotal evidence" and all, but I've yet to find that to be true. Whether it's PLDs, WARs or GNBs, I've never had that issue. Of course, the DRK isn't going to be soloing crap anyway, cause holy crap did SE do them dirty, so that doesn't even fall under the discussion here. If two DPS are alive when the healer is dead, those DPS stay alive when the boss is dead.

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Originally Posted by Isala

I know "anecdotal evidence" and all, but I've yet to find that to be true. Whether it's PLDs, WARs or GNBs, I've never had that issue. Of course, the DRK isn't going to be soloing crap anyway, cause holy crap did SE do them dirty, so that doesn't even fall under the discussion here. If two DPS are alive when the healer is dead, those DPS stay alive when the boss is dead.

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I mean anecdotal evidence and all that but you can see the opinions of everyone who is here and in the other 2 threads that popped up at the same time, a large majority are definitely tilting towards you as a quality of tank that protects the DPS being a vast minority in the game and the chance of being held hostage by a tank who won’t help them isn’t worth the risk that they may get a good tank like you who is actually an effective safety net for a bad healer

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Originally Posted by Isala

I know "anecdotal evidence" and all, but I've yet to find that to be true. Whether it's PLDs, WARs or GNBs, I've never had that issue. Of course, the DRK isn't going to be soloing crap anyway, cause holy crap did SE do them dirty, so that doesn't even fall under the discussion here. If two DPS are alive when the healer is dead, those DPS stay alive when the boss is dead.

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I'd argue DRK is the only tank balanced in regards to the Trinity System, while the other 3 have escaped the boundaries long ago and have now led to a sense of entitlement that they no longer need to play as a team.