Not that much, actually, but why would they do that, really ? They encrypt some models already, especially second phases for savage or ultimate (not actually encrypt, but make them unreadable until you get some packets, so yeah, kinda), but that matters because part of the excitement from savage/ultimate is seeing what comes next before the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absimiliard
Encrypting damage numbers ? Yikes. At best, they will lose time for a feature that won't change elitism (elitists will go back to say "your SAM has less aggro than my MNK, you're just bad"), at worst (and most probable) they will lose most of the PvE playerbase that won't care because they miss QoL, that QoL being a parser.
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02-15-2023, 09:47 PMArcaviusGreyashe
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02-15-2023, 10:52 PMTetsujin
No thanks. Cheating is already more than obvious enough, especially since people can't help but snitch on themselves on twitch of all things. As for non-cheating mods? A "mind your own business" attitude should be the standard.
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02-16-2023, 01:40 AMSillyCrow
Scrap ultimates then and reallocate the ressources to make other fights more epic. Better that than having something intrusive like Punkbuster or Easy Anti Cheat.
People give too much worth to ultimate fights anyway for the little amount of people actually trying out that content, let alone those that actually manage to finish them. -
02-16-2023, 01:56 AMTomsYoungerBroUltimates garner a lot of publicity for Square. Yoshi P even said (paraphrasing) that the content isnt for everyone but please be sure to tune in to streamers in the last live letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyCrow
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02-16-2023, 02:01 AMKaurhzSee,Quote:
Originally Posted by VelKallor
I would be inclined to agree, but the reality is that the Official Forums can be just as bad, if not worse than Reddit and Discord in many occasion, especially with 'General Discussion'. People on many threads seem far more inclined to engage in meta-discussion rather than actually address a debate or post directly. Further, many threads tend to devolve into accusatory remarks, to where the thread deviates from the original intention of the topic. Unironically, forums would benefit from having a downvote system, and would similarly benefit from proper moderation, too many threads fester far too long before they're moderated, if at all. -
02-16-2023, 08:42 AMForteNightshadeHow tight is that tinfoil hat you're wearing?Quote:
Originally Posted by VelKallor
I certainly won't deny Reddit isn't without its faults, especially the mainsub, but on the whole both it, the discussion variant and general purpose discords are not really different than the OF. The one benefit of downvoting is it does prevent conversation derailing like this thread was long subjected to as responses aren't buried under a mire of useless back and forths. Is it abused? Absolutely. Just not to the extent you're implying. -
10-12-2023, 07:24 PMPetThisMiqo
Not at all. Square Enix has done a marvelous job of taking care of our game so far. Everything we have so far is thanks to them. Unfortunately some people choose to misbehave and it's time for Square Enix to correct that poor behavior. This will not affect the majority of players though. Only the small angry groups of elitists would truly face any consequences.
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10-12-2023, 07:42 PMSindele
Raising multiple threads at once is overplaying your hand, man. The subtle concerned citizen act falls apart when you get that blatant.
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10-12-2023, 07:44 PMDarkobraHe's certainly getting boring with his new act. He'll run out of personalities before he runs out of accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sindele
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10-12-2023, 07:45 PMGoatOfWar
Not gonna happen. People use these for a reason. And if they no longer can, this game will die.
I know people don't like damage meters, but they're essential for endgame content to function, as there are dps checks that have to be met. And they help give people something tangible to look at to improve.
Besides that, let's not get started on the sheer amount of people utilizing ''visual'' mods... ''Mare lamentorum'' and all that.. -
10-12-2023, 09:10 PMAniya_Estlihn
This would be a bad idea as things like Discord are already, by their own admission, considered third party programs. Implementing anti-cheat or detection tools would require them to draw a line in the sand, which will lead to people finding loopholes and exceptions and exploiting that.
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10-13-2023, 02:23 AMBanriikku
Even a calculator is a damn third party, so SE needs to clarify what is and what not AND thats nasty to do because there a million things that are not harmfull but would fall under such definitions and there things that are per definition not but very harmfull.
AND the most important part : my privacy, if you dont care fine but i do and i will not give them the right to say " uho, we foud software that could be...", just no. Many have to suffer because few behave like that. Also what should solve that ? What is with such a change achieved ? Less cheater ? NOPE. So what for ? Just nonesense.
BTW.: Parser are not a problem despite all attempts in this forum. In 18 years of raiding from diffrent games while using parsers: only 4 people were such special creatures. And i met a lot of people form Europe to Asia to USA and even Canada. I learned a couple of things : Canadians are not always friendly and can swear like sailors. Japanese have a obsession with german words. Texans dont speak english.... they speak something diffrent. And parser are not bad, people are. -
10-13-2023, 04:43 AMAneshda
I'm 100% for it.
I have nothing to hide as I have never used add'ons or mods. Other games also have a security scan to prevent unfair gaming and many people play these games anyway. It would actually make Final Fantasy much better in the current situation.
- No more bots under the world attacking every monster that you attack yourself in order to steal exp./loot.
- No more bots on the market board to automatically undercut every player 24/7 1000x a day.
- No more bards in Limsa playing songs from the charts for hours, fully automatically.
- No Erp players changing their character with a mod that can be seen by others who also use these mods. I ask myself whether these mods can make each player appear different without their knowledge, i.e. players who don't use these mods...
Anyone who is against this has something to hide, in this case mods?
Many people here have social media and reveal everything about themselves, but when a game uses a security system, suddenly so many cry, think about it. -
10-13-2023, 04:53 AMIvtrix
Of course gaius necrod this
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10-13-2023, 04:54 AMMistakeNotEveryone has something to hide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aneshda
If a program can scan your computer for FFXIV mods, it can also find all sorts of other files on your computer in the process.
Embarassing love letters?
Nude pictures of you and your SO?
Credit card numbers?
And so on.
Are you sure you want them to be able to see all that? Because if they can find your mods, they can find anything else on your computer as well. -
10-13-2023, 04:54 AMThurmnmurmnOther then bots (which it wouldn't stop anyways. As if botters can't make a program to hide it's file/show fake files), who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aneshda
Bard players cause no harm. You can turn them off if it bugs you.
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10-13-2023, 05:05 AMVerdeLuckNo it can't, anticheat only focuses onQuote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
-what you're currently running in the task manager
-what's touching the game's install folder
-what's touching the game's memory
-encrypting and preventing decryption/snooping on network packets the game uses
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10-13-2023, 05:13 AMToutatisIt's not about having something to hide. It seems privacy doesn't matter to you and you don't seem to grasp the concept but where I live it is a right and many people care about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aneshda
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10-13-2023, 05:13 AMIvtrixOne Wikipedia search and suddenly everyone is a punditQuote:
Originally Posted by VerdeLuck
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10-13-2023, 05:17 AMKatishCan't really give absolutes here, it depends on the implementation. I know some corporation that are very sleazy with what they do explicitly and some corporations that not only make the comparison on your data but store it (even if it's implicitly)...now this data is a security compromise to the user [depending on what data is stored].Quote:
Originally Posted by VerdeLuck
If the error they throw is by recursive means, meaning not direct, that means anything is fair game. If they get too direct, then it can't stand the test of time. I would not like an anti-cheat solely based on the reason if they do what other companies do (that is a heartbeat check), then anything can throw a false positive and you'll have yet another reason getting kicked from the game (outside of the common crash occurrences that may happen or faulty connections). And not to mention, these checks aren't free from performance loss, so it would be at the expense of the user. -
10-13-2023, 06:17 AMAneshdaWell as I wrote, I have nothing to hide, every little Info about me, my Bank Accounts and what not, is not on my Computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
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10-13-2023, 06:20 AMLittleImp
I wouldn't mind at all.
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10-13-2023, 06:28 AMRolder50
It'd be a waste of developer time for something people would just find a way to bypass anyway.
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10-13-2023, 09:57 AMDragonFlyyAnd Anticheat is 100% defeat-able.Quote:
Originally Posted by VerdeLuck
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10-13-2023, 10:02 AMAbsimiliardIt can also be a lot more invasive than the person you replied to is letting on. There have been numerous instances of people getting banned off of games/platforms just for having memory editing tools on their PC, for example. False positives are a very real thing, and they can be an indicator of an anti-cheat scanning far more than what it's claimed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonFlyy
But you know what? Screw it. I wasn't in favor of it back when this thread was first made, but I've changed my mind since then. Let's get us some anti-cheat up in here. It should be entertaining. Extra points if it can kill that one tool - it'll make at least a quarter of the game's raiders completely unable to function. -
10-13-2023, 10:42 AMCaedemSanguis
Im playing on console, but still im against it, ACT and FFLOGS are a good way to know how experienced someone is, and it dont bring any toxicity as it's forbidden in game
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10-13-2023, 10:48 AMCaedemSanguisscrap housing and pvp first, before scrapping ultimatesQuote:
Originally Posted by SillyCrow