I put up a petition. Apologies for the cross-post. Attempting to cross as little as possible.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ar-for-a-Month
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I put up a petition. Apologies for the cross-post. Attempting to cross as little as possible.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ar-for-a-Month
Absolutely agreed on implementing hats. Come on yoshi. If you can give me the imperial cap of fending that my ears just clip through you can do the same for all the other hats damn it
Adamantiny : nice work here :o
I’m personally for the “let them clip” options and just having the choice to put the hat or not, according to my preferences, because this would be the easiest fix for Squeenix.
But clearly, editing all hats in design would be a must, especially a single edit like your first one, which can work for all ears types at once.
Sturmchurro : no worries it’s not because of you !
I let myself be tempted because new hair and the Makai stuff rerun (another thing I lost), so plenty of new head options :)
Yes it was really hard to lose all but since I have a master degree and my husband not, it’s easier for me to find a job in every country. Switzerland don’t offer much possibilities for adults without a formation, or it cost a lot of money. So I was the one to change country ^^
Thanks.
For some helmets, I see the possibility of just clipping the ears, but there are others that would be really weird, or extremely buggy. Crowns, for example, have a lot of ornament that would pass through the ears. Top hats and tall helmets would leave only the tip of the ears visible, and they would look strange. And helmets that are completely closed, having a furry ear on top would be weird (in addition to not making sense to protect the whole part of the head, but leaving the ears vulnerable, since they are extremely vascular parts).
Some models the community has already solved, such as top hats, bearskin, dragoon helmets... And I particularly loved the creativity. But there are many that still don't have models (at least I haven't found them).
So I decided to combine my desire to have the helmets, with the desire to leave this thread active, and I decided to give some ideas here. If SE doesn't take advantage of them, at least some modder will XD
in those cases I guess they could turn off the ears instead, but the fact of the matter is that modders have fixed this for LITERALLY EVERY HAT ALREADY.
Square has 0 excuses. Throw out some money to each of these guys, stick in an art consultation credit, call it a day.
If a list of requests is being compiled somewhere in this giant thread, I have another one: Add Viera and Hrothgar characters to the list of potential grand company recruits. Both of these races have been out for years now, so it’s weird to me that this is still an example of another thing where the races are limited in terms of customization mechanics.
People should make sure to submit a lot of Viera and Hrothgar entrees on the next hairstyle competition.
When/if that happens again.
I miss my viera but I can't see myself changing back to her anytime soon. Even with the new added hairstyles. I saw someone comment that they change hairstyles on their nonviera less than on their viera and same for me, I stay with mostly great lengths on my miqote just due to the fact that I can change headpieces all I want. With viera I had to adapt the few hairstyles I had to the few headpieces I had. So many glams look unfinished without headpieces.
I really hope they will give hats to vieras and hrothgars and fix the hairs for hrothgars in this expansion. It is long overdue.
I just simply cannot take the disrespect, disreguard, and dissapointment from you any longer SE! I have spent the past few days grinding my A$$ off to be able to get the new SEASON EXCLUSIVE PvP gear, not even just regular gear, but SPECIAL gear, only to finally get it and be so excited to equip it and what do I discover? Viera are the ONE AND ONLY race in the game that the head gear does not show up on! WHY? I WANT TO KNOW WHY? WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT HIDING THE EARS LIKE I HAVE SEEN DONE WITH 1000 OTHER HEAD GEAR ON THE CATS???????
I have been playing this game since Phase 1 of the Alpha testing and this is the first time I have been so done and over with something so stupidly simple that I am seriously just thinking about walking away and finding something else to play because I am sick and tired of being disappointed over and over and over with something that should NOT be happening!!!!!!!
That was me. It is probably due to me just being more satisfied with the look of my au ra, than viera, to be honest. I have no reason to change her hair much, because I like her hair. I mean, I haven't changed my au ra's general look for about 5 years...
Yeah, I just don't want to give them money to fantasia to viera. Giving them money just to have less just isn't that fun, no matter how much I like viera.
I have 4 fantasias sitting in my chocosaddle, but I just don't want to. I feel the itch at times when I see tall and beautiful vieras running around but....then I look at their heads and just feel "nope". Funnily enough I don't even use that many headpieces that they can't wear. But it is enough to not be able to wear the calfskin cap or farlander hat of healing or pelts and veils that it just puts me off. I feel like I am playing a complete game now, as miqote. I can wear everything. I can participate in all events and have all rewards usable. I can buy a glam off mogstation without looking at the additional pics to see if it will work for my viera, because it just will for my miqote.
My biggest concern is not being as tall as I want and that sometimes my ears are cut off in some headgear.
QUESTIONS:
#1
Would people have preferred it if the Veena were the Foel Viera? Personally, I think this would have been more ideal and would have made more of a difference between the two tribes. On a few occasions, I've seen people within the community request that Viera should have their minimum height reduced, and I think the Feol would cater to those types of people who want to play a 'short Viera', while the Rava stay as the tall Amazonian tribe.
Edit: For some reason, it won't let me write a message in my own thread despite I haven't reached the maximum daily post yet.
Someone questioned if the Feol are actually 'short' and all I can say is: bare in mind Feol are not fully Viera, they're in fact a hybrid of a different sort, so it is a possibility their height was adjusted. Also, comparing SE's concept of Fran and the Feol side by side, it looks like they are in fact shorter. Lore-wise, their height is never specified so I can only speculate.
Either way, I think more differences between all race's tribes could really make our characters feel even more unique.
https://i.ibb.co/swPDmVj/Rava-vs-Feol.jpg
#2
I have also seen quite a few people suggest that our Hrothgar's should go and visit the chiropractor, it's made me curious how many actually like the hunch. What do people think of the Hrothgar's posture? Do you like it, or would you ideally like it changed, and why? Unfortunately, due to SE having a rule of 'we're not changing it because a few people might like it', an ideal scenario would be if there was a way we could toggle it somehow, other than using the temporary cpose idle. I personally don't know much about game design, so I'm unsure if this is as easy as I think it is - feel free to inform me.
https://i.ibb.co/FXFbwcM/Hrothgar-hunch.jpg
More noticeable differences between a races tribes would be great rather than just pallet swap with maybe different eyes, the only one to do that is Hyur with the Midlander vs Highlander (female highlanders didn't exist back then unless you count Minfilia) differences. They could have done the same thing for the Au Ra too if the rejected designs are to be considered. But sadly, that would be too hard the dev team.
I don't like the Hrothgar hunch myself, but many game devs seem to do that with their beast races unfortunately.
1st question, I agree. It would have made a nicer contrast, but I think that Viera would have been the main choice for most and the Feol would become the "Highlander" of the bunny people.
2nd question, 10000% YES! Please SE, let my poor baby boy see a chiropractor! He is in constant pain from bad posture!!!
In all seriousness, I would love for them to at least give the option of a toggle. The majority of animations straighten their backs anyway, with only a few utilising the slouch. And as a 3D animator, the issue is very fixable, just a few rotations of the vertices from the torso of the model, or even easier, straightening the bones from their back rig. That's it.
This is from the game:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png
And this is I'm assuming a modded picture:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...50/unknown.png
But look at that difference, the forehead proportion is so much better!!! PLEASE FIX GIANT FOREHEAD ON MALE AND FEMALE VIERA T_T
All I want is for them to adjust height values so that viera have the same height ranges as Au Ra only reversed.
Another smaller thing that bugs me about playing as a Hrothgar: I can’t seem to find any glasses or spectacles accessories that look they actually sit on my face, even despite them often having nose pieces, which makes it even more distracting; they’re always awkwardly floating above me and it makes me not want to wear them for fashion sometimes.
Their heads... and the quality of hairs.. Yeah. Viera needs a lot more love from SE. You can be a lot more creative with glamours on miqo'te, it's part of the reason I switched to them so many times: great animations, easy to glam.
Yes, of course they would have. Viera would be much more popular as a race in general if the supposed Feol variant was released. It's a given. Both males and female viera players would have loved Feol variants. Personally, I like the taller more athletic viera we got, I just wish they weren't so limited.
Well then, I have the pleasure of introducing people to the Feol Viera. They were in FFXII-2: Revenant Wings, I enjoyed the game - would recommend it to people. So don't worry, I'm aware they were not just 'viera but short' but thank you for opening the door for me to inform people a bit more about them. "Fran states this variety of viera are often called "the Exiled" as they are seen as abominations by their full-blooded kin. The feol have the longest lifespan among the viera. Fran also states their particular kind didn't obey the rules of the Green Word, which was to stay within the forest villages they were born in." There is more I could say, but there are major spoilers for XII-2 if I continue, so I wont.
While their height is never specified in the lore, bare in mind Feol are not entirely Viera, they're in fact a hybrid of a different sort, so I could argue their height, as well as their ears did change overtime. Also, comparing SE's artwork of Fran and Mydia side by side, it looks like they are in fact shorter than the Rava, and for all we know that is the Feol's maximum height. With no official confirmation, you can't actually say that they weren't a shorter race, just as much as I can't say they were - even though I just stated why I believe so.
You don't have to agree with me, if that's the case we'll just agree to disagree :) Thank you for your comment! Hope you're all good.
Just a quick note to everyone, bare in mind this is just hypothetical question and nothing will come of it. The current races and their tribes are here to stay and won't be adjusted no matter how high the demand, think of all of this as a 'what if' scenario. I just like hearing different people's opinions, and I plan on continuing asking questions like these to engage with everyone. :)
Ohhh I‘m so hopeful the whole character creation system gets an overhaul (fingers crossed it comes with the graphical update, since I think they already must update textures of the races and stuff).
Would love to have something similar to WOW‘s allied races. Clans of races that use very similar body types to existing ones so the only thing they need to do is give these new clans different face options and maybe emotes. (The whole tiresome workload/adjustments for gear would fall) An example would be an elezen clan that uses the body type of viera or hyur. And *Boom* you‘ll have a really popular elf-like race.
From the quoted picture that was passed around a bunch back when Viera were first announced as a playable race. Who made it is a mystery but its nearly entirely headcanons. "They rarely stay in the woods and tend to venture out more..." They were effectively chased out of the woods by pure blooded Viera and they didn't venture out past their volcano because they weren't exactly seen as a happy accident from either of their ancestors.
The two clans of Viera in XII are the two clans we get to play in XIV. If anything, the ability to make Veena pale inherently gives players the option to make a Feol-like character because in XII both Rava and Veena are dark skinned. If one wanted to play as a Feol, roll a Veena, set their ears to 0 on the slider, and /playdead whenever a Rava looks at you lol
Just adding my complaint since they do want us to post on the official forums.
I don't understand. How did they NOT expect people to want to be able to wear hairstyles they've worked for and even bought with real money on these races? It's incredibly frustrating. At least with Viera they seem to be moving along at a slow but steady pace. But Hrothgar? Why would you even make a beastial race if you weren't going to take the time and effort to dedicate to it so it felt just as robust and customizable as the other races? You can't even be orange and get that tiger look. I am baffled at how short sighted this all was. I know the devs can do better. But it really doesn't give me a lot of confidence that they can make female Hrothgar work at all if no ears is how they are going to treat adding new hairstyles.
I hope this is a wake up call to SE that they do need to hire more people and give more of a budget to FFXIV. This all screams not enough time/money/manpower rushing a product out. And it's honestly just not acceptable. No wonder Hrothgar are the least played class. For the longest time they couldn't even use the aesthetician. Can't wear vast majority of hats, no hairstyles, of course barely anyone is playing them. I really really hope they can do something. Even just letting the ears clip and having the option to take the ears away if people don't like them would be better.
The hairline for the "new" hairstyles in Viera look bad. I can live with the ears over the 2B headband, but not seeing a part going straight under my girl's bunny ears, lol!
They should have designed the Viera ears to be more...accommodating when it comes to adding hairstyles.
Or...I don't know, just gave us race specific hairstyles. Something they need to do with Hrothgar as well!
Just make race specific hairstyles for both Viera and Hrothgar, but also make them similar to the old hairstyles every other race has so the hairstyles people wanted for both races can be implemented without all the customization headaches due to both of their "unique head shapes".
Sad how "limited" races was meant as something special, as in they would be unique and have more customization but that the word limited has instead transformed into meaning that they have so many limits to what they can wear and how they can look.
I think, looking back now, I wouldve preferred they got their own hairstyles and hats instead of trying to give them the hairstyles everyone else have. And to just add the racespecific hairstyles to them like everyone else through the game. As how the nier raid gear changes look depending on sex, the hairstyles would change look depending on race. Like 2B hair looking the same but without the headband and so on.
I have a feeling they still wouldn't have done racial hairstyles anytime soon. Especially since they had supposedly just started "looking at" doing hairs for viera at the tail end of ShB. At best we would have gotten the custom hairstyles by next expansion, still those hairs would have probably been much nicer either way.
"Beast hairstyles are hard so they take a while."
Well... modders proved you wrong.
"Oh-- Well. we have to test them and make sure they work."
... But they don't work. You messed up the Viera hairlines and removed Hrothgar's ears AND gave them a jellybean head.
"oh dang would you look at that, housing broke. See you guys next expansion... maybe!"
How did housing break this bad, did you not test things?
"Nah we do test our game, we test it all the time! We promise, we don't give our players half-finished stuff anymore, stuff that seriously breaks their experience of the game and limits how much they can do. Stuff like this just happens."
...then why are my ears gone?
"Oh uhh... uhh... It's really hard!!" *dramatic ninja poof*
Random Modder: ...so I just flipped a metadata switch, here, have your ears back. Also Square Enix went from having 8 faces to 16 faces per Hrothgar clan. You can only change to your counterpart hairstyle, and even then, you're changing your whole head model, not just the hair. We'll see what we can do.
ok guys
new event, and check it out: the reward has a helm. Will vieras and hrothgars be able to use it?
PS: yes, I'm being ironic. I know this helmet will probably work.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...68/unknown.png