Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

Elixir Field & Howling Fist:

• Using both during Equal Concentration. (Have been advised by my raid not to AOE here, however, both BFB & IR are up, so using it here would be ideal.)

• Shoulder Tackle > Elixir Field immediately after Wash Away #2 to hit both Living Limbs after they split. (Strict window before they are dragged away. May not be up.)

• Saving Elixir Field & Howling Fist for 2+ targets during P3 Lubricant phase. (Not sure if you can hit 3 with these skills. Can you?)

• Saving Elixir & Howling Fist for the Living Limbs in final phase. (Uncertain due to personal progression. Usually my BFB is up on #1 and I imagine a Potion + another CD will be up for #2. Worth delaying for buffs?)

• Running through the center of the tornado in P3 and using Elixir Field on the set of 4 Gear Lubricants. (Risky. Dropsy. The set of 4 Gears also includes the Drainage tethers.)

Rockbreaker:

• Both Living Limbs in P2. (After split, during Digititus, after Equal Concentration- not sure if people use it during?)

• Targeting the center Piston/Gear Lubricant in a group of 2-3. (RNG based. Is the cone wide enough to hit 3? However, even on 2, it is a DPS increase.)

• The 2 Gaols/Living Limbs during final phase. (Perhaps not ideal here as it is a burn?)

Arm of the Destroyer (lol):

• Running through the center of the tornado in P3 and using it on the set of 4 Gear Lubricants. (50 extra potency but risky for the same reasons stated previously. Highly doubt anyone does this, but 1391 is so high that I'm just going through all possible permutations.)

Please let me know your thoughts on whether I'm just letting my imagination go wild or if top MNKs actually utilize a few of these tricks. Also, as I am currently progressing myself, any other tips to optimize would be appreciated as well. Thanks!

with extremely high crit rate runs, i've been over 1300 before on that fight (sadly no kills on those runs), and i was only at i203 before my wep upgrade.
however the add phase may have been also extremely kind to them, ie no polarity tethers and adds spawning nearby constantly, as well as the rest of the group not blowing them all up instantly, which would be supported by the significant dps drop going down to their second place dps.
That group in particular also runs AST, so on top of being extremely lucky and supported by the raid group, the AST could have also drawn nothing but balance cards the entire fight and given them all to the monk.

TL;DR super.. SUPER lucky run, as well as gear and raid group support

EDIT: it is possible to hit 3 targets with howling fist and 4 targets with elixir field during add phase if they line up perfectly.
EDIT2: i do not use rockbreaker that fight, i get yelled at enough by my raid group about my TP, only oGCD hitting multiple targets

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Originally Posted by valsemiel

Elixir Field & Howling Fist:

• Using both during Equal Concentration. (Have been advised by my raid not to AOE here, however, both BFB & IR are up, so using it here would be ideal.)

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tell your raid group that you will do more damage to your main target if you use these 2 skills, as only your main target will have dragon kick, and even if it was even, it literally doesn't change anything as far as the dps check is concerned for hand of pain

A3 is a monk turn, but yes a lot of it comes from rock breaker, elixir and howling. Also I would suggest to use fflogs instead of that spreadsheet I linked a while back. FFlogs is super legit, tell you everything you would wanna know, and also doesn't count overkill. With fflogs you will know exactly how many rock breakers they use, exactly what time they use it, all that good stuff. I would highly suggest looking to that from now on instead of those spreadsheets where you will never know how they achieved that dps.

Appreciate the input. It seems like people aren't really using that many Rockbreakers and instead rely on the OGCDs + high single target damage. I didn't even notice the AST either. Also, I just took a look at FFLogs and it's pretty amazing. Now I can stalk all my MNK senpais and their fight by fight rotations :>. Thanks!

Np! To bad I live in the dragoon realm now :/. One day I'll punch things again.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Np! To bad I live in the dragoon realm now :/. One day I'll punch things again.

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please tell me im not the only one that read that as one ilm punch, my first thought was even if you played monk you don't do that lol

edit: just looked over fflogs, its almost scary how close we are to one another hak

Yeah we are very close, I died on that a3 one I have. I also just started a4 last night even though I got world 4th a3 lol. Lolz at the one elm, I thought the same shit, even went back in to edit my post haha.

Woah this FFlogs is insane thanks for the heads up hak also get yo self back to gil you bum! =p

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Originally Posted by valsemiel

1391 DPS A3S

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Pretty much down to Balance abuse and trick attack I'd say. Not much else to say except maybe having a perfect add phase. Everything else is pretty standard stuff in the fight. Also take a look at the RDps and Enc Times. This obviously also plays into these best personal parses. An extra minute in some cases. I'd probably say the most impressive is the #2 on the MNK leaderboard. 11:26 kill time with some sick deeps.

The way stuff lines up for me during the add phase is pretty much b4b at the beginning (used on cd prior comes back up for second prayer/parting). Elixir is pretty much used on CD regardless of add positioning. If it comes up and they spawn in range well gg. Howl comes up with IR and generally used as the second wave spawns, again it's used regardless of aoe opportunity. Elixir, IR and Howl are all up for hands. No b4b for first, b4b for second. AOE opportunity is taken here. Apart from that there's not much I can see being different except maybe holding aoes for the eventuality that 2+ adds spawn together. It may end in a dps loss if held too long though.

Hi i would like to know in a situation where both of TOD and Demo DOTs left about 4 - 5 secs, what did you do? Did you do Fracture or refresh TOD or Demo right away?

I haven't been doing a lot of monking but in that situation I would clip them both if you are buffed with ir or b4b. If not just let them fall and reapply next rotation.

The rules of the normal monk rotation as they apply to that situation is: Demolish at 4, use ToD when the timer says 1. You will clip about 2 seconds of Demolish, and you will not have ToD up for a very short time, but the alternatives are worse.

Fracture isn't an option at that point because you don't want to use two out-of-form GCDs (Haymaker, ToD, Fracture) in one Dragon Kick / Twin Snakes (not clipping Dragon Kick / Twin Snakes is pretty much a DPS loss... skipping over a Bootshine / True Strike is even worse). There are ways to use Fracture to keep this from happening, but it's too late to do it in that situation.

It's a bit more difficult to see why you should use Demolish over the Touch of Death, or even why the Touch of Death should always drop off for a short time (~1 second). That's because you'd have to actually track all the potency to find out that it's very slightly more DPS to have the full potency of ToD and 14/15 of your rotation be the 18-step pattern than to have most of the potency of ToD and 13/14 of your rotation be the 18-step pattern (it's also more TP-efficient).

And finally, the reason you'd clip Demolish there instead of letting it fall off is because that represents a lot of Demolish downtime (that's just another thing where you'd have to track down all the potency to even see it's a loss).

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

I haven't been doing a lot of monking but in that situation I would clip them both if you are buffed with ir or b4b. If not just let them fall and reapply next rotation.

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Ok so let them fall if without buff, and clip them if buffed...and on that same situation, during buffed condition, i would think that it's safer to clip TOD first which leads to Demo being 2-3 sec, then refresh demo. Is that correct?

the only way i can see getting into that situation is if you didnt fracture beforehand, thereby throwing the timers out

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

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Hm ok that makes sense..

I have been using the old 3.0 rotation but due to recent upgrades on skill speed i got greedy and use Fracture before my second demo (3 sec before fall off) lol, that is probly why i got into the situation as Zami mentioned...i should remove the fracture i guess to avoid this...thanks guys for the advise

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Originally Posted by Zamii

the only way i can see getting into that situation is if you did fracture beforehand, thereby throwing the timers out

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It can come about without that. Example:

Touch of Death
Bootshine
True Strike
Demolish
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Demolish
Bootshine
True Strike
Touch of Death
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Demolish
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Touch of Death
Twin Snakes
Demolish
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Demolish
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Touch of Death
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Demolish
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Touch of Death
Demolish
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Demolish
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Touch of Death
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Demolish
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes
Snap Punch
Bootshine
True Strike
Snap Punch
Dragon Kick
Twin Snakes <- right here
Demolish
Touch of Death
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If you are trying to use Fracture to make your Demolishes perfect, it's a little tricky but it can be done. The rules are:

- You can only use one DoT per Demolish
- You can only use one DoT per Dragon Kick
- You can only use one DoT per Twin Snakes

So ultimately, the pattern needs to look something like ToD - Demo - Frac - Demo - ToD - Demo (loop, but with forms I and II flipped). There isn't a lot of wiggle room here.

There is another way to use Fracture; it's a lot easier to pull off and does more DPS, but it's definitely a TP burner (and it isn't really worth spending chakra on Purification just so you can do this). The trick is to alternate between ToD and Fracture for each Dragon Kick / Twin Snakes cycle--and yes, this clips ToD. Some people may recall me talking about this before HW and how you'd alternate Snap Punch and Demolish for this one (clipping Demolish heavily), but since they added the extra 3 seconds, it's now better to Demolish-Snap-Snap when you do this.

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

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sorry, i was supposed to say didnt use fracture beforehand, if fracture is used properly it should avoid that occurance

I would clip demo then tod. I haven't really mathed it out but this is just what I feel would be best.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

I would clip demo then tod. I haven't really mathed it out but this is just what I feel would be best.

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Sounds about right, Demolish is our strongest move. Touch needs near full duration to be considered worth it (generally more than a crit bootshine at about 24s), whereas Demolish surpasses a crit-bootshine's worth of damage about 12 seconds in, varying based on crit ticks and whatever the skill speed modifier is. Logically it would suffer less from clipping than Touch would.

hey all, what are some good numbers for a dummy parse at i193? i've been messing around and can't seem to get over 1300 for ~3 min parse

Using food/potion? Party buff? If not, right around 1300 sounds about right for i193

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

Sounds about right, Demolish is our strongest move. Touch needs near full duration to be considered worth it (generally more than a crit bootshine at about 24s), whereas Demolish surpasses a crit-bootshine's worth of damage about 12 seconds in, varying based on crit ticks and whatever the skill speed modifier is. Logically it would suffer less from clipping than Touch would.

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I mean, if you really want to know why I said you have to track down all the potency... the most direct reasoning is that if you clip ToD there, you have lost ToD ticks while also not gaining any Demolish ticks! The next Demolish will accomplish the clipping you were trying to avoid.

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

Sounds about right, Demolish is our strongest move. Touch needs near full duration to be considered worth it (generally more than a crit bootshine at about 24s), whereas Demolish surpasses a crit-bootshine's worth of damage about 12 seconds in, varying based on crit ticks and whatever the skill speed modifier is. Logically it would suffer less from clipping than Touch would.

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this is so wrong, sorry i just have to point out why.
3 seconds worth of demolish if you were to clip it, is 40 potency lost.
3 seconds of ToD if you were to clip it is only 25 potency lost.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

this is so wrong, sorry i just have to point out why.
3 seconds worth of demolish if you were to clip it, is 40 potency lost.
3 seconds of ToD if you were to clip it is only 25 potency lost.

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You're right, I don't know what I was smoking with that last sentence :P
Though I do have a feeling clipping demo in such a situation would be better in the long-run. It's probably all incredibly minor anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

You're right, I don't know what I was smoking with that last sentence :P
Though I do have a feeling clipping demo in such a situation would be better in the long-run. It's probably all incredibly minor anyway.

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i cant think of any reason it would be better in the long run, but your right it would be very minor.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

this is so wrong, sorry i just have to point out why.
3 seconds worth of demolish if you were to clip it, is 40 potency lost.
3 seconds of ToD if you were to clip it is only 25 potency lost.

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Lol this is the exact thing as I have on my mind, clipping ToD seems more worth it i/o Demo

Well people are talking about the auto facetarget macro on reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._losing_speed/

I wonder if we'll get an answer about this soon from SE, hopefully it will be like the parsers, use it if you want but don't talk about it

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Originally Posted by Livaille

Well people are talking about the auto facetarget macro on reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._losing_speed/

I wonder if we'll get an answer about this soon from SE, hopefully it will be like the parsers, use it if you want but don't talk about it

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Yes, but unlike parses, this does give players an unfair advantage in comparison to people not using it (IMO).

I dont really care about people using it during raids, but when it comes to PvP this is completely broken. If you decide to chase down a SMN or BLM, it's not even funny how some of them can backstep away, at sprint speed, while facing and attacking you. Not to mention that casts will always go out even if someone is running circles around them.

So about Tornado Kick. Assuming 330 is it's potency before the game factors GL3...I kind of see why they're not buffing its damage output.

+30% damage from GL3
+10% damage from TWS
+10% damage from DK(considering TK is blunt, it pretty much benefits)
(i didn't put bfb because that won't always be up when used)

Assuming my math is correct TK's potency with the above factored should make the attack do 495 potency, which is only 5 lower than what we saw as the base potency before 3.0 it. A regular TK is like what....2-3k non crit? Imagine the damage if it actually had the 500 base potency. We'd be seeing like a 750 potency attack, which is pretty damn ridiculous, imo. So yeah, I KIND OF understand why the damage isn't getting upped. However, I still hate the delay in the attack's registration.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

... However, I still hate the delay in the attack's registration.

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i'll take the opportunity to clarify for people exactly how tornado kick registers damage.
tornado kick while by all appearances does have a delay to dealing damage, the actual amount of damage dealt is decided the moment the skill is initiated, what this means is even if a target becomes untargettable, invulnerable or you die during the animation (for example, enrage) the damage will still register so long as tornado kick was used before that happened.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

i'll take the opportunity to clarify for people exactly how tornado kick registers damage.
tornado kick while by all appearances does have a delay to dealing damage, the actual amount of damage dealt is decided the moment the skill is initiated, what this means is even if a target becomes untargettable, invulnerable or you die during the animation (for example, enrage) the damage will still register so long as tornado kick was used before that happened.

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Does it count even if you don't see the actual damage on the screen? I'm thinking of A1 when the boss jumps in mid-animation, or Ravana right before Fuller/Stance change. I see no damage on the screen, but neither is the skill interrupted halfway.

Yeah I'm not sure about the untargettable thing. It doesn't seem like a final attack on Manipulator at the last second in A4S does anything, even if you get your skill "off."

I used to play with the camera lock on target and that thing was even better in PVP than the facetarget macro. Pop sprint, motivation and press forward all day, that's very handy.

I don't use the facetarget macro in PVP because I don't really care about loosing one or two auto attack in PVP but I can understand people being pissed about it.

If you look at your battle chat it will say you did the damage but it wont do a pop up on screen.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Yeah I'm not sure about the untargettable thing. It doesn't seem like a final attack on Manipulator at the last second in A4S does anything, even if you get your skill "off."

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I have a combat log from last night that goes like:

The Manipulator readies Mortal Revolution.
Brock Mage cancels Blizzard III. [haw haw]
Arrow Mage cancels Empyreal Arrow.
You use Full Thrust.
→ Critical! The Manipulator takes 3292(+72%) damage.
→ You recover 1541 HP.
→ You lose the effect of Life Surge.

This happens at least once a raid night. Not sure whether that damage actually registers, but the heal does and it's still in the log. A lot of bosses in HW have that sort of invincibility that lets your combo continue, though IIRC Ravana before Blood Fuller has that Titan-esque "tink tink tink" invincibility just as he jumps which stops all your stuff.

I don't understand how Ariyala's, using Dervy's weights, is showing THIS (1332.586 STR) as BiS when THIS (1334.378) is clearly superior (if you can stomach the SS). Must be discounting Baked Pipira Pira?

Either way, personally, I'm going with THIS (1334.397). I doubt I'll miss 3~5 Acc (pun not intended).

I've mentioned a few times that Ariyala's doesn't calculate correctly anymore since 3.0 with different weights, at least for monk. Got to do it by hand or build your own solver for now.

I've seen that you guys build towards a 650 accuracy BiS, may I ask why? I think the A4S flank is 630, and I remember the legs/manipulator are circular targets. Are we forced to attack the adds from the front at any point?