"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

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Originally Posted by Slipikin

No I didn't bother to read it all...

What I do find more interesting is that you report people in this thread for harassment who disagree with you. What doesn't constitute harassment to you? If everyone agrees and does everything your way? Maybe you can make a thread of your dos and don'ts so we can know ahead of time if you approve.

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Can't tell if troll... or...

I don't think anyone in this discussion, unless I missed something, has reported a player posting their opinion (without resorting to personal insults) regarding this topic for harassment. What are you even talking about?

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Originally Posted by Slipikin

It's not made up. People were put on 72 hour suspension from forum because of this thread.

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Can you provide proof of this?

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Originally Posted by Slipikin

It's not made up. People were put on 72 hour suspension from forum because of this thread.

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Maybe, and bear with me on this, just maybe....people couldn't present opinions without resorting to personal insults? How often do we get threads that are deleted or locked because people don't know how to present an opinion without insulting the other side? Goodness knows how much I seen threads that devolve into bitter bickering because people can't let go of pride, then act surprised when they get in trouble for breaking the rules.

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward. The reward varies; it could be roulette tomestone bonus, it could be a chance at relic drops, it could be experience points - regardless of the reward, it is what you get by holding through on your end of the bargain.

If you breach the contract, there is a penalty. That penalty is barely a slap on the wrist - 30 minutes during which you can't queue for a new dungeon - but it's enough to deter some of the more flagrant abuses folks (usually tanks and healers, since they rarely had to put up with 30-60 minute duty finder queue times) have engaged in in the past; for example, a tank dropping out of Sunken Temple of Qarn before the first pull simply because there are some folks out there who have trouble on the first boss. Hey, it might not be true for this group, but as a tank he can find a new group instantly, so why bother to risk it? Because of the 30 minute penalty, a tank has to consider a bit before pulling crap like that, maybe actually TRY the first boss before giving it up as a lost cause. Because they CAN'T just drop out and requeue; they have to wait 30 minutes, like some kind of peasant DPS. Unacceptable!

Requesting vote kick to regain that kind of power isn't cool. If you have a serious reason for wanting to leave, like a real-life emergency, eat the penalty. If you just can't stand the instance you wind up in, then ask yourself whether it's worth the 30 minute penalty to leave or not - I know there a plenty who make this decision on things like Steps of Faith who consider it to be completely worthwhile. (It's silly, of course, the frequency of failure on SoF is close to zero nowadays, but some folks apparently haven't got the memo, or it triggers PTSD for them, or something.)

If things are bad enough that you just can't stand to stay, then they are bad enough that the 30 minute penalty should be nothing to you. If they aren't that bad, then tough it out, get the damn thing over with - it will most likely not take more than 30 minutes anyway. Asking for a kick to avoid the penalty is a coward's solution. Becoming beligerant or unhelpful to ENCOURAGE folks to kick you is grounds for a harrassment charge.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward. The reward varies; it could be roulette tomestone bonus, it could be a chance at relic drops, it could be experience points - regardless of the reward, it is what you get by holding through on your end of the bargain.

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While I generally agree with your point of view, sometimes you feel like it will be impossible or too long (up to timeout) to complete the duty with said party, and you don't have time to wait for another half hour. Yes, it's an MMO, a time consuming game, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to consume more time than necessary. If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management. You have a lot of spare time, be my guest, stay with them, but not all people are like you.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

While I generally agree with your point of view, sometimes you feel like it will be impossible or too long (up to timeout) to complete the duty with said party, and you don't have time to wait for another half hour. Yes, it's an MMO, a time consuming game, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to consume more time than necessary. If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management. You have a lot of spare time, be my guest, stay with them, but not all people are like you.

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That's what vote abandon is for. And the red flags for a bad party are immediately present anyway, and surprise, people would leave after the first wipe or even upon entering the instance.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management.

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Efficient time management would be planning for a full dungeon run before you even queue up. If the group is truly that bad there is always vote abandon.

It's both funny and sad that so many people get so worked up about such a negligible "problem".

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward. The reward varies; it could be roulette tomestone bonus, it could be a chance at relic drops, it could be experience points - regardless of the reward, it is what you get by holding through on your end of the bargain.

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This +1 /slow clap

It's funny but awesomely hilarious how offended people get over what's basically a non issue. If you're getting this a lot, maybe you should play your role better? Nah, easier to just whine on the forums.

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I honestly just take the penalty because I'm probably just going to take a nap anyway. <.<

Though in fairness I only leave because someone else leaves at the beginning of a dungeon.

I don't ask to be kicked either way because well 30mins isn't that big of a damn deal. I either go have self girl fun time or watch DBZ Abridged to pass the time or well like I said take a nap.