Does SE not realise their game has no content?

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

I loves TERA's combat system, but that game has serious issue with in-depth lore and or any meaningful missions/quests. All mobs looks exactly the same with just name changes. It is also jsut basically one dungeon for gear and almost FATE like grinding for PvP gear at weekend when launch. It was much worst than current FF14.

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I'll agree with you about the lore, though I blame that due to poor translation. To be fair, you also described this game as well when it comes to questing and mobs being the same, minus a re-skin/color.

I see what you mean by dungeons, but some of the best items were craft-only. I could see that about BG being grindy too. Though, when battlegrounds came out it was FUN for a lot of people. If you just zerged in a mindless BG, you'd often get wrecked unlike FATEs.

I respect your opinion though, so we can agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by ArcheustheWise

Some people dont like to play other classes... some people dont like to craft.... leveling other classes and crafting isn't really content. Its just the same thing... no wait.. its LESS than they did the first time. First time they at least had the story to keep them company. Second is just a fate spam, btw.. the fate spams are causing issues... such as people not learning...

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That's cool and all. that doesn't meant there's not content. It also means there's more, it is fundamentally impossible for something in addition to what you have done to result in LESS. PS - I leveled the entirity of PLD and am 38 WHM and have only participated in fates for at most a level or two. It's entirely by choice.

Also - if you can tell me why the pladin order is the way it is, as well as to what the opinion is from thaurmages on the status of black mages. then cool. If you can't, there's still story, and still content, out there. Just takes effort. And fun <3

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Originally Posted by KHShadowrunner

That's cool and all. that doesn't meant there's not content. It also means there's more, it is fundamentally impossible for something in addition to what you have done to result in LESS. PS - I leveled the entirity of PLD and am 38 WHM and have only participated in fates for at most a level or two. It's entirely by choice.

Also - if you can tell me why the pladin order is the way it is, as well as to what the opinion is from thaurmages on the status of black mages. then cool. If you can't, there's still story, and still content, out there. Just takes effort. And fun <3

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Like i said, replying to people on this forum is just about the worst mistake the game has, IMO, lol

I said this way back on Page 7. I think it summed up this thread quite nicely, but if its not on the first page or the last page, it gets ignored and forgotten about.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Once again a huge blow out and argument over the misunderstanding of the semantics used.

OP said: Does SE not realise their game has no content?

Blatant falsehoods are in this Thread Subject. Thats all some people were pointing out. They were just saying there IS content. Not a word was said to the effect that it was "good" content, "fun" content, or even "optimal" content, just that there was content.

I understand you dont find all the content in the game to be something you enjoy, I can accept that. But there is content there and more is coming. Whether or not its content that interests you or not, it is coming and it is there right now.

Remember folks, its a game and games are meant to be fun. Once its not fun anymore, you should find something else to do. Getting this upset over a game is rather silly.

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I still have to question why people complain so much about FATEs being the only way to level, when it's actually not... and even more jaw-dropping, it's not the fastest way to level for nearly all levels. Exp parties are still the reigning champion for speed to level. Throw in a nearby FATE or two if you want to change it up.

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Originally Posted by Toystore

"There is no content" is a gratuitous use of hyberbole, and a rather belligerent one at that to illustrate his own thoughts on the subject, but it's not speaking for everyone. People need to stop walking on egg shells. At most, if you wanted to treat that as the argument in question and not hyperbole to make is own value judgment on the bigger issue you could say, "there's a puk outside Limsa" and be done with it.

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What I'm saying is that had he phrased his opinion as an opinion rather than fact, we would be having an entirely different conversation. Phrasing is important. Instead of over 200 posts analyzing what the OP really meant, post 1 would have clearly got the OP's point across, and we'd probably be discussing how SE could add content that more people find relevant, quickly.

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Originally Posted by Toystore

You may do that, but we'll let the progression raiders be the judge of whether my argument holds more weight or his, considering that's what the launch content in question regards.

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And this is the part that really makes me laugh, because if there's one group who nobody cares about their opinions, it's the 'progression raiders!' Games shouldn't be made with them in mind, because they are for the most part a fickle and angry group, apt to jump ship and unsub at any moment, who skip most of your hard work and piss on the rest of your content as being 'boring.' Anything that doesn't 'progress' them along a very narrow definition? 'Boring.'

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I still have to question why people complain so much about FATEs being the only way to level, when it's actually not... and even more jaw-dropping, it's not the fastest way to level for nearly all levels. Exp parties are still the reigning champion for speed to level. Throw in a nearby FATE or two if you want to change it up.

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Sssshhhhhhhh! They'll learn where our camps are, and we'll have to fight for pulls!

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Seriously, I don't really understand how an MMO can release with less content then most single player RPGs. Even if the game was released with the content being brought in 2.1, there's still such a ridiculous lack of time filling activities. Any player with more then 5 hours a week to play this game has pretty much already completed everything it has to offer and they arn't even releasing any harder end game content in the next patch. And yes, we all know about the EXTREME primals. But seriously, 4 more bosses with pretty much the same mechanics? And PVP is being released!!! With a 2.5second GCD and major game delay for anyone that doesn't live in East Canada.

I really do want to WANT to play this game, obviously being a Final Fantasy game I've tried everything to make this game a fun experience for me. But I just don't see any hope.

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I play probably 3 hours a day on weekdays, and maybe all day at weekends. I still have a lot of things to do.

Only recently started Coil, and we're only on Turn 2. But that's only with regards to end game content.

Don't forget, there is a whole game here where end game is a very small percentage of that. This game is meant for everyone of all level ranges and play styles, not just for those who push the end game hard.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

And this is the part that really makes me laugh, because if there's one group who nobody cares about their opinions, it's the 'progression raiders!' Games shouldn't be made with them in mind, because they are for the most part a fickle and angry group, apt to jump ship and unsub at any moment, who skip most of your hard work and piss on the rest of your content as being 'boring.' Anything that doesn't 'progress' them along a very narrow definition? 'Boring.'

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This is my new forum signature. If I agreed with you any more harder than I am now, the veins in my forehead would explode so hard it would create a black hole big enough to consume the universe.