Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

At this point we are well on our way to semantic satiation. We'll repeat the phrase until it's lost all meaning.

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dimply tart, dimply tart, simply fart, pimply ward

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

It's so great that this is what this conversation has devolved to. Instead of discussing the issues with Endwalker and our concerns that Dawntrail is just going to be more of the same (or even going further in that direction), it's could Zepla have worded her video more kindly, what was her body language, how to word your own posts so noone takes offense or who cares anyway cause Zepla is just some <insert insult>. Jfc.

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There is more drama here than on YT...

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

LoL I scanned back through this thread and I think the metagaming herd decided I was a troll and put me on ignore? Apparently my ideas were so radical and unacceptable that it broke their brains and they had to invent weird conspiracy theories about me…. what the actual f***

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Pardon me, who are you again?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Most consumers don't research products at all (...)
Even with review bombs hitting the first week of release, sales can continue to climb because consumers aren't doing any research.

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A lot of people just want to be "in" on the current thing. I think it's a bit sad.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

A lot of people just want to be "in" on the current thing. I think it's a bit sad.

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Honestly, this kind of mentality has almost convinced me to go buy BG3 a few times.

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Originally Posted by Remish

Honestly, this kind of mentality has almost convinced me to go buy BG3 a few times.

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If you like D&D it’s essentially the 5e model packed up into a video game

Endwaker is so dry in content that I unironically started playing BDO to scratch the itch for a grind

Log in for reclears, cap tomestones, close the game. I really, REALLY, wish I had a reason to stay online for longer

Im definetly waiting for a few weeks or so after Dawntrail release to decide if the content in it is worth the price, otherwise, might unsub untill 7.55 when its on sale to binge all MSQ... or quit I suppose

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Originally Posted by Raraka

Endwaker is so dry in content that I unironically started playing BDO to scratch the itch for a grind

Log in for reclears, cap tomestones, close the game. I really, REALLY, wish I had a reason to stay online for longer

Im definetly waiting for a few weeks or so after Dawntrail release to decide if the content in it is worth the price, otherwise, might unsub untill 7.55 when its on sale to binge all MSQ... or quit I suppose

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I'm in the same boat myself now but with wow classic hc.
But I'm also really burnt out on FFXIV as well.

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Originally Posted by Raraka

Endwaker is so dry in content that I unironically started playing BDO to scratch the itch for a grind

Log in for reclears, cap tomestones, close the game. I really, REALLY, wish I had a reason to stay online for longer

Im definetly waiting for a few weeks or so after Dawntrail release to decide if the content in it is worth the price, otherwise, might unsub untill 7.55 when its on sale to binge all MSQ... or quit I suppose

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I just got back about a month ago after taking some time off. I've got enough to keep me busy and things I actually want to do until the next patch at least, but...eh. I'm not exactly having the time of my life either.

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Originally Posted by Raraka

Endwaker is so dry in content that I unironically started playing BDO to scratch the itch for a grind

Log in for reclears, cap tomestones, close the game. I really, REALLY, wish I had a reason to stay online for longer

Im definetly waiting for a few weeks or so after Dawntrail release to decide if the content in it is worth the price, otherwise, might unsub untill 7.55 when its on sale to binge all MSQ... or quit I suppose

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Funny thing is, today I was looking at my Steam games and I kept staring right at BDO.

Remind me in 95 pages has a single person who disagrees with zepla actually refuted her points with evidence or is insulting the streamer/ i feel your reasons are wrong because……….all GCBTW can muster

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Remind me in 95 pages has a single person who disagrees with zepla actually refuted her points with evidence or is insulting the streamer/ i feel your reasons are wrong because……….all GCBTW can muster

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Certainly haven't seen anyone actually refuting the points with saying that EW content is long-lasting and well designed. Just insults, derailing or trying to argue that players (either brand new or still progressing through MSQ) have lots of content to do, so there are no issues - which was never the point of the video or the discontent that those, who share the view, feel.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Certainly haven't seen anyone actually refuting the points with saying that EW content is long-lasting and well designed. Just insults, derailing or trying to argue that players (either brand new or still progressing through MSQ) have lots of content to do, so there are no issues - which was never the point of the video or the discontent that those, who share the view, feel.

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I think the issue is there would first need to be points to refute. I just see a bunch of subjective opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with alongside claims that are likewise questionable. For example, comments like "it's the same stuff over and over" or "we need an exploration zone" - people can just as easily enjoy exactly what the "same stuff" is and dislike exploration zones. There's nothing to "refute" there, just our own personal likes and dislikes.

Then you have comments like "My FC is pretty dead" and "content lasts for only 3 days". That may well be true for the individuals posting it, but not for others. My FC is very alive, for example, and when a new patch releases, it usually takes me about 3-4 weeks to gradually play through the new MSQ, Raid/Alliance Raid quests, sidequests like Tataru, etc.. And once that's done, I go back to the proverbial laundry list of other things I'm still looking forward to trying or finishing (finally got my last ARR relic on NIN a week or so ago).

So, I think most of it is that there really aren't any points to "refute", just someone offering personal opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with. Sadly, given the history of this forum, I'd say the rest of it is that even if there were things to refute, people could clearly and thoroughly do so, and certain others on here would just willfully ignore those posts and then continue to claim nobody has refuted anything.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

I think the issue is there would first need to be points to refute. I just see a bunch of subjective opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with alongside claims that are likewise questionable. For example, comments like "it's the same stuff over and over" or "we need an exploration zone" - people can just as easily enjoy exactly what the "same stuff" is and dislike exploration zones. There's nothing to "refute" there, just our own personal likes and dislikes.

Then you have comments like "My FC is pretty dead" and "content lasts for only 3 days". That may well be true for the individuals posting it, but not for others. My FC is very alive, for example, and when a new patch releases, it usually takes me about 3-4 weeks to gradually play through the new MSQ, Raid/Alliance Raid quests, sidequests like Tataru, etc.. And once that's done, I go back to the proverbial laundry list of other things I'm still looking forward to trying or finishing (finally got my last ARR relic on NIN a week or so ago).

So, I think most of it is that there really aren't any points to "refute", just someone offering personal opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with. Sadly, given the history of this forum, I'd say the rest of it is that even if there were things to refute, people could clearly and thoroughly do so, and certain others on here would just willfully ignore those posts and then continue to claim nobody has refuted anything.

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Ok so, just for you, you say complete in 3-4 weeks. What content in EW holds over for 2-3 months? What content is going to hold over for 6.5-7.0? And you say, once you have done that, you point to a proverbial laundry list of stuff... from previous expansions?! That's what is being argued! There's nothing to hold long term interest in EW so, for people who are current, we either have to go back to previous expansions to find content or we just hang about or we just not login. The game design in EW patches has been sub-par and, my personal view, nothing seen yet (and yes, understand early days) in DT speaks to any real kind of change of course.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Ok so, just for you, you say complete in 3-4 weeks. What content in EW holds over for 2-3 months? What content is going to hold over for 6.5-7.0? And you say, once you have done that, you point to a proverbial laundry list of stuff... from previous expansions?! That's what is being argued! There's nothing to hold long term interest in EW so, for people who are current, we either have to go back to previous expansions to find content or we just hang about or we just not login. The game design in EW patches has been sub-par and, my personal view, nothing seen yet (and yes, understand early days) in DT speaks to any real kind of change of course.

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Don't you worry about them, they have a full time job so they can only play 3 minutes a week, they won't run out of content.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Don't you worry about them, they have a full time job so they can only play 3 minutes a week, they won't run out of content.

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You should look into one. Or do you get paid per post per account?

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

The will to avoid this conversation at all costs drives these guys to bend so far over backwards their heads are coming out from between their legs.

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can...can I watch?

I like Zepla, got to say hi at Fanfest Paris. That was a time before she got even more famous after the Asmon collabs and doing all content including ultimates. So her opinion matters. It's probably even more valuable than say a housing or PF services selling main that does the same stuff everyday in the game.

Endwalker I don't think will be the worst, but it's awfully getting close. It's trending into that red category of CB3 mailing this expansion in after 6.0 and taking their patch schedule for granted. There is probably substance in "we have the highest sub count in our history" allowing them to stick with it like glue. But they chose a heck lot of disposable content. Created one awesome ultimate, a controversial second one, jobs are on the downhill with continued loss of complexity and uniqueness. Magical bard, errr Summoner kind of things.

Either way they are taking things for granted, and made questionable choices. "How do we band-aid this 8-hour story into something to force people into?" "If we connect the two, that'll save us a lot of time on relics!"

jesus, 90+ pages. ya'll are still bickering!? ;):p

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Zepla is right, the community cannot take ANY criticism about 14 at all. On the main subreddit an hour ago I said that 14 was falling behind the other big MMO's like GW2 and WoW and that comment is sitting at -13 votes right now.

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I don't know for Wow because i didn't play it since nearly 7 years and i don't really know the state this game is in now, but you deserve to be downvoted for saying that FF14 is falling behind GW2. GW2 is in a state waaayyyyyyyyyy worse than FF14. If people make a 90+ pages thread about some streamer they would totally lose their mind if they were to experience what i see regularly in GW2.

Some examples ?

- tons of bugs, new or old, not fixed for years, that you encounter not even trying to find them on purpose, just by playing the game normaly. Including the new tutorial category "viewing vistas V" bug that sometimes stay unfinished on a character despite having met the requirements, which is really bad for new players retention because they are very probably wanting to do the whole category, all to see in the end, after tons of efforts, that they will be forever stuck at 99% of it. Or some events (the equivalent of fates) that sometimes stay stuck in the middle, locking a npc merchant behind it. Or npcs spawning in the wall in an instance, preventing you to get the "kill all ennemys" achievement you are trying to get. Or the last wave of ennemys not spawning at the end of an instance of the personnal story, no choice but to get out and redo the whole instance since the beginning. Or this one time when a npc tell my character to follow him to met other npcs, i let him go while i stay still because i wanted to look at something in my character menus, all to see my character starting to speak in the void, beginning the dialogs with the npcs out of view 500 meters away. Or some npcs having tons of things to say and texts to read for lore enthousiats, but who are always walking to make the map look more alive, and closing the dialog boxes by themselves every 3 seconds when becoming out of reach of your character. Or the dialogs sound spatialization being all wrong depending on the direction your camera is. Or this time in the personnal base game story where i have to choose between A, B, and C, i choose B, and going after that to A and C npcs they tell me they are happy i choose their idea, and to another B secondary npc my character tell him "sorry, i didn't choose B". Or... oh well, the paragraph is getting quite long, if i continue people will not even read it so i am gonna stop here.

- tons of abandonned content. Apart for some class "balance" (we will get to it later), the pvp didn't get new game modes or new maps since an eternity. Wvw as well, with players actually realizing that they wil never get the alliances promized years ago. No new classes anymore, as a bandaid to make believe they are doing something new in this category, they are reduced to allow existing classes to wield other previously locked weapons, which would be the equivalent of SE saying for Dawntrail "there will be no new jobs, but you will be able to equip an axe on your paladin, great right ?". New instanced content is either not a thing at all since years ago too when it comes to certain things (dungeons), or very rarely being added. In fact, GW2's players did become so starved for new content, that they have come to the point that even something who dont add something new to do, will be categorized as such anyway. DX11 ? New content ! Remplacing coherentUI by something else ? New content ! The same seasonnal copy pasted event is coming back ? New content !

- crafting and gathering is barebones and a joke compared to FF14. Really fell likes a bad corean old f2p game system. No crafter or gatherer stats or gear. No skills or rotation as well, just get the ingredients and look at a bar be filled in two seconds to get your items. No stealth system on gathering in a game where your level is synchronized in overworld maps, which means you are always being attacked by nearby mobs when gathering, which will quickly make players that only want to gather in peace not stay in this game. No side content like rebuilding some town, or helping some npc tribe with crafting and gathering. When it comes to high end craft, some ingredients are either so hard and long to gather, or locked behind a "you can craft this only one time per xx hours" artifical barrier, that it is obvious that they want you to throw your credit card at the cash shop to buy everything you need with gold.

- talking about the cash shop, GW2 is a good example of a game degraded on purpose to sell you things. Create a problem, sell the solution. Your inventory is way too tiny for all the mountains of crapy items you drop ? Buy inventory bags. The bank is way too tiny on top of being shared with all your characters ? Buy bank tabs. Even if you did buy the game, you get only 5 character slots for 9 different classes available ? Buy character slots. Equipment and builds tabs are not enough for all the different choices you can make ? Buy more tabs. Not enough free templates for all the different choices you want to keep ? Buy templates items. A lot of the free fashion is ugly ? Buy cash shop fashion items (and there sure is a lot). You don't want to stay with the only basic mount skin ? Buy it in the cash shop too. Oh, and there is loot boxes.

- starting from Hot, GW2's mapping is making the worst zones of our Eureka island looks like baby easy stuff. I don't even consider HOT maps like mmo maps, but rather metroidvania/platforming ones. And do you remember how people were complaining of Eureka ? They would totally lose their minds trying to complete something like Verdant Brink.

- class balance is all other the place, waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more than FF14. Tons of "choices" in the build system are useless, underperforming and looks like abandonned content from a 10+ years game launch that don't fit with the new content anymore. Despite the claims that GW2 has an horizontal system, the powercreep is getting more and more atrocious, when i did begin this game the norm was 25k-30k dps, now it is reaching 50k. The balance team way too often has no idea of what they are doing, are destroying whole classes, and i am not talking of something on the level of pressing 1-1-1 too much on FF14 healer jobs. Some stupid ideas even looks like they are launched on purpose to look cool when they do get back on it (like reducing the range of the sniper's attacks, this one really did get me laugh).

I could say tons of more things, like for example getting more into details when it comes to the monetization and the game being falsely advertised as F2P on steam when it is, in fact, a B2P, or how there isn't even a personnal housing system, but i dont have the time to write a whole book about it.

TLDR : your downvotes are deserved. Saying that FF14 is falling behind GW2 is either trolling, and/or having no idea what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by technole

I like Zepla, got to say hi at Fanfest Paris. That was a time before she got even more famous after the Asmon collabs and doing all content including ultimates. So her opinion matters. It's probably even more valuable than say a housing or PF services selling main that does the same stuff everyday in the game.

Endwalker I don't think will be the worst, but it's awfully getting close. It's trending into that red category of CB3 mailing this expansion in after 6.0 and taking their patch schedule for granted. There is probably substance in "we have the highest sub count in our history" allowing them to stick with it like glue. But they chose a heck lot of disposable content. Created one awesome ultimate, a controversial second one, jobs are on the downhill with continued loss of complexity and uniqueness. Magical bard, errr Summoner kind of things.

Either way they are taking things for granted, and made questionable choices. "How do we band-aid this 8-hour story into something to force people into?" "If we connect the two, that'll save us a lot of time on relics!"

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Zepla is a random nobody. Her opinion literally means zero. Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger? Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger influenced so strongly by their agenda? Learn to think for yourself. Form your own opinion. FFXIV is an AMAZING GAME. Make sure to spread that opinion too. It has the same value as the other random person.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Zepla is a random nobody. Her opinion literally means zero. Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger? Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger influenced so strongly by their agenda? Learn to think for yourself. Form your own opinion. FFXIV is an AMAZING GAME. Make sure to spread that opinion too. It has the same value as the other random person.

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Why should you follow the opinion of a streamer they are biased

Instead you should follow my opinion

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Zepla is a random nobody. Her opinion literally means zero. Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger? Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger influenced so strongly by their agenda? Learn to think for yourself. Form your own opinion. FFXIV is an AMAZING GAME. Make sure to spread that opinion too. It has the same value as the other random person.

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Why are u afraid to let the game be criticised? What are u scared is gona happen? That itl die or change for the worst. Its the devs responsibility to make sure that this game allways feels like ffxiv

Slightly off topic but I can not take Asmongold seriously in any capacity after he took a picture of his room and the carpet was filthy and clearly had not been vaccumed in a long time. Forget Zepla's tone, I don't want advice on anything from a grown man who can't clean his room lol

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Originally Posted by magtuired

Slightly off topic but I can not take Asmongold seriously in any capacity after he took a picture of his room and the carpet was filthy and clearly had not been vaccumed in a long time. Forget Zepla's tone, I don't want advice on anything from a grown man who can't clean his room lol

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Okay and who asked?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Okay and who asked?

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People have been mud slinging about opinions for a good 80 pages I figured at least we can all laugh a bit at someone living up to the unlean mmo nerd stereotype but clearly that seems to have struck a nerve with you. Maybe you would feel better if you cleaned your room.

After reading all of those comments

https://media.giphy.com/media/mreXWh...ized-large.gif

But seriously, this is just a game, folks.

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Originally Posted by magtuired

People have been mud slinging about opinions for a good 80 pages I figured at least we can all laugh a bit at someone living up to the unlean mmo nerd stereotype but clearly that seems to have struck a nerve with you. Maybe you would feel better if you cleaned your room.

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This is the worst "clearly i have struck a nerve with you" attempt I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Zepla is a random nobody. Her opinion literally means zero. Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger? Why would you accept the opinion of a random stranger influenced so strongly by their agenda? Learn to think for yourself. Form your own opinion. FFXIV is an AMAZING GAME. Make sure to spread that opinion too. It has the same value as the other random person.

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Zepla is another person, her opinion means literally as much as any other person. Fixed it for you. Stop trying to use her content creator status as a reason to say her opinion means nothing.

Also, in case us saying this more times than I care to count hasn't gotten drilled into your skull yet, we already had these opinions formed before her video was released. She happened to share these same concerns and feedback as we do, and now more people are realizing that Endwalker itself hasn't released long-lasting content due to their stubbornness to include more meaningful rewards as well as the people who are more comfortable to speak up knowing they aren't alone in this in the grand scheme of things.

The game is good, sure, but there isn't a single game out there without flaws, and trying to imply that this game, or any game for that matter, is perfect as is, or ever will be, is nothing short of separation from reality. Dismissing or not providing constructive feedback results in nothing improving.

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Originally Posted by magtuired

Slightly off topic but I can not take Asmongold seriously in any capacity after he took a picture of his room and the carpet was filthy and clearly had not been vaccumed in a long time. Forget Zepla's tone, I don't want advice on anything from a grown man who can't clean his room lol

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Too busy making videos about other people's videos to do chores dontchaknow ;)

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Too busy making videos about other people's videos to do chores dontchaknow ;)

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If he were to react to Zepla's video(s) in this current scenario I can already see the title and thumbnail. Somehow turning the roughly 37m video into 4 hours of livestream content

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Too busy making videos about other people's videos to do chores dontchaknow ;)

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Couldn't he hire someone to do it?

thread is going off topic and derailing. if we dont keep these contructive devs will never take them seriosuly

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Originally Posted by BRVV

dimply tart, dimply tart, simply fart, pimply ward



There is more drama here than on YT...



Pardon me, who are you again?



A lot of people just want to be "in" on the current thing. I think it's a bit sad.

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I am nobody. I don’t even exist. I’m just some troll’s alt account.

You can tell she hit the mark because nobody is actually arguing against what she said, and is just engaging in personal attacks. You guys really can't take criticism towards XIV.

Who cares what she said. Ignore e-celeb opinions. This thread shouldn't be still going on.

I didn’t even watch it, I hate it when streamers whine about video games. Get a real job.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Who cares what she said. Ignore e-celeb opinions. This thread shouldn't be still going on.

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damn yall really showing you cant read huh

did you not read any of the 97 pages ?

NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE FACT SHE THINKS IT, PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME OPINION SO THEY JUST AGREE WITH HER

Do you understand or do you need me to make you a little drawing ?

yall are actually trolling at this point there's absolutely no way to be like this

this is literally a blessing to see how this so called community has their heads in the sand to any sort of complaint brought up by ANYBODY, players,streamers,youtubers, ANYTHING, you will always find some personal rebuttal calling them names, it's just crazy to me, just because they dare complain about this game

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

I didn’t even watch it, I hate it when streamers whine about video games. Get a real job.

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bro you're spending your time trolling the forums who in the hell asked ? absolutely nobody

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

bro you're spending your time trolling the forums who in the hell asked ? absolutely nobody

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You being upset about my ideas doesn’t make me a troll. That’s a you problem. If you want a private conversation, take it somewhere else. Posting on a public form is implicitly inviting public comment.

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

You being upset about my ideas doesn’t make me a troll. That’s a you problem. If you want a private conversation, take it somewhere else. Posting on a public form is implicitly inviting public comment.

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Except you provided nothing to the topic other then attack and insult a streamer and admit you only come to the forums to troll in another thread. You never posted anything about ideas or any feedback at all. I dont know how personal attacks and insulting anyone and not even watching the video is providing feedback or ideas to the thread.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Except you provided nothing to the topic other then attack and insult a streamer and admit you only come to the forums to troll in another thread. You never posted anything about ideas or any feedback at all. I dont know how personal attacks and insulting anyone and not even watching the video is providing feedback or ideas to the thread.

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Wrong. Other people baselessly accused me of trolling and I mocked them for it.

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Wrong. Other people baselessly accused me of trolling and I mocked them for it.

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Wait you are serious about the stuff you posted here?

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

I’ve never pushed for anything to be changed in any game I play. I just play the games, bro. I have been repeatedly disgusted and appalled that brigades of metagaming tryhards bully developers into changing games to better suit their reductive playstyles.

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Endgame raiders exist so no content between patches!

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

People like you are why I’ve avoided the entire MMORPG genre since I played EverQuest at launch. You aren’t that damn nuanced. The only reason I am playing FF14 is because there isn’t a levelgrind -> endgame mentality apart from a small and very vocal minority. The OP of this thread has posted about ten threads in the past week, but I’m the problem lmao. Keep on gatekeeping on, kiddos.

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Bro you posted about 10 times in the last 2 days... in this very topic. You are actually the one gatekeeping FFXIV by calling out everyone who doesn't just do the MSQ as a new player.

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

There are many other games that have also come out in the past ten years…

The only reason I’ve even played as much of this game as I have is exactly because the devs are explicitly prioritizing the experience of the new player’s journey through the game over the whims of the hardcore endgame raid meta.

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Don't even know how they "prioritze the experience of a new player's journey". Is that why the weekly agenda is something new players have to hear about from veterans? Or why none of the PVP modes or mechanics have tutorials?

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Wrong. Other people baselessly accused me of trolling and I mocked them for it.

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You admitted to only come here and troll no one else has accused you of being one when your the one admitting to trolling. And when you are called out in this thread you try to pass off your personal attacks and insults as ideas/feedback and wonder why people don't take you seriously. You never provided any feedback or ideas and only came to this thread to insult a streamer and people you dont agree with.