Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

They could do pretty much anything even if it's based on Sice.

Absorbing malice when killing obviously doesn't work, so they can change that to anything really. Not that I can think of many ways other than what others have mentioned here. (Need better imagination)

Everything else for Sice is just "does damage" either on a target or aoe, or has elements that doesn't work in FFXIV (like pulling in enemies).

As for losing malice when taking damage... Well, that's the kind of mechanic I think they would never add to any job. They are already trying to negate the few weaknesses certain jobs have in different situations, and having a job that is so dependent on the fight mechanics... That's not happening.

Also, it would be way to punishing for you to lose a lot of malice from damage, like, way way to harsh considering how they have raised the skill floor in the past.

If it only makes you lose a little malice, then it most likely wouldn't make sense to dump it all (wild speculations here) every couple of seconds (yes you often are hit very frequently). Instead it would just become a punishment for being in a specific fight, and it doesn't sound fun at all. A punishing mechanic should at the very least be interesting and fun.

Edit: They could at least make it a little different to something like kenki for SAM, by not having a requirement for malice built up, to use the abilities, and the damage is then based on how much malice you have.

That could make things feel more smooth when trying to adapt before or after boss jumps or something.

If there was Malice, maybe as you build it up you get a damage buff (let's say it goes from 1 to 100, you gain 1% per 10 of malice), but overflowing would give you something like vuln-stacks.
You'd have some skills that "purge" part of, or all Malice. So you could use them regularly when you get close to 100 to avoid being vulnerable, and overflow during burst phase or openings while hoping you have time to use a purge skill before a big attack comes your way.

The gastronomy critic in Ratatouille is nicknamed "the Grim Eater" hence the new job IS judge because he is someone who JUDGES things.

You're welcome.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

The gastronomy critic in Ratatouille is nicknamed "the Grim Eater" hence the new job IS judge because he is someone who JUDGES things.

You're welcome.

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Nah man that's just a lvl 90 Culinarian.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

The gastronomy critic in Ratatouille is nicknamed "the Grim Eater" hence the new job IS judge because he is someone who JUDGES things.

You're welcome.

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Nah thats just lolorito

A few observations:
1. Clearly there are a number of FF4 references implied for Endwalker.
2. Essentially, every job in FF4 will be represented with the inclusion of Sage (Tellah/FuSoYa), save Golbez, a heavy armor-wearing mage.
3. Does anyone else see a striking resemblance of the Law’s Order DRG set to Golbez’s armor?

My current speculation: Mage Knight

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Originally Posted by Valmaxian

A few observations:
1. Clearly there are a number of FF4 references implied for Endwalker.
2. Essentially, every job in FF4 will be represented with the inclusion of Sage (Tellah/FuSoYa), save Golbez, a heavy armor-wearing mage.
3. Does anyone else see a striking resemblance of the Law’s Order DRG set to Golbez’s armor?

My current speculation: Mage Knight

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So far, Reaper is the first expectation, Templar the second. (Judge the third and we have the best theories)
Golbez indeed fits the armor and possible melee gameplay, he's a mage but also efficient at melee.

But there's problems with this theory:
-What weapon? Golbez shadow dragon would be a big doubt due to how much resources SQEX would need to produce one.
-How is it related to the shirt? Golbez may have cheated death but he's not directly related to it.

I think we are already served with IV reference, the main character is a PLD that comes from DRK, one ally is a dragoon, the travel to the moon... At most we'll get the 4 Fiends but I doubt it'll go further.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

But there's problems with this theory:
-What weapon? Golbez shadow dragon would be a big doubt due to how much resources SQEX would need to produce one.
-How is it related to the shirt? Golbez may have cheated death but he's not directly related to it.

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The shirts could be referring to Ranjit whose character design in boss form is based off Golbez.

We already know Ranjit uses a scythe

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Originally Posted by Narigo1

The shirts could be referring to Ranjit whose character design in boss form is based off Golbez.

We already know Ranjit uses a scythe

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This and internally they called Ranjit assassin grandpa and assassins are known for death.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

-What weapon? Golbez shadow dragon would be a big doubt due to how much resources SQEX would need to produce one.

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Honestly it probably wouldn't be that many resoruces since they already have a model for a noodle serpent so its possible. Just throw a scythe on that bad boy and bang. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...076/newjob.png

(Image by someone in a discord server im in)

i've been imagining they could just have the serpent attack as like joint attacks for the job actions and such like the Assist type kinsects from monster hunter world (weird comparison i know but if you see it you'd understand)

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

I think we are already served with IV reference, the main character is a PLD that comes from DRK, one ally is a dragoon, the travel to the moon... At most we'll get the 4 Fiends but I doubt it'll go further.

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Inb4 Twins sacrificing themselves -_-

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Inb4 Twins sacrificing themselves -_-

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Damn dude that would be cool. All the FF4 feels.

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If the DPS turns out to be a DPS utilizing Scythe and the dragon familiar I will be so excited not gonna lie. Just a few more weeks. OMG.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Damn dude that would be cool. All the FF4 feels.

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If the DPS turns out to be a DPS utilizing Scythe and the dragon familiar I will be so excited not gonna lie. Just a few more weeks. OMG.

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I'm skeptical about them pulling another dragon-themed maiming job, though. It would def. be cool!

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

This and internally they called Ranjit assassin grandpa and assassins are known for death.

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He was also developed by the monster dev team instead of the character dev team. The monster dev team is not the team that typically designs new classes for the player characters.

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Originally Posted by Karl0217

He was also developed by the monster dev team instead of the character dev team. The monster dev team is not the team that typically designs new classes for the player characters.

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Doesn't mean they cant pull from it. He is a humanoid so transferring it to a player job would not be as difficult as a regular monster. Already got all the assets anyways (specially that serpent) though i would prefer they dont have the serpent and replace it with another creature. Gukumatz might not be a dragon but he's close enough to it that i'd prefer they dont and just do it with a wolf or something.

I mean, dragoon under blood of the dragon already has a a spectral wyrm floating around them. It evens attacks when doing mirage dive etc. That could be the aesthetic of the job.

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

Doesn't mean they cant pull from it. He is a humanoid so transferring it to a player job would not be as difficult as a regular monster. Already got all the assets anyways (specially that serpent) though i would prefer they dont have the serpent and replace it with another creature. Gukumatz might not be a dragon but he's close enough to it that i'd prefer they dont and just do it with a wolf or something.

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Yes, it doesn't mean they can't pull from it but that fact that the team that came up with it isn't the one that designs player classes makes that less likely. Also, wolves have traditionally been associated with the Berserker job in previous Final Fantasy games as they typically wore wolf-skin armor such as the guy we fought in the Hero's Gauntlet.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I mean, dragoon under blood of the dragon already has a a spectral wyrm floating around them. It evens attacks when doing mirage dive etc. That could be the aesthetic of the job.

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Yea but idk if i'd like the other maiming job to be closely dragon like themed, Would kinda feel like trying to step on their toes. Either way i'd be fine with it just i would personally have it be another creature.

Really depends if they want to expand on Ranjit. I'd like to believe he's still alive because his "death" was very underwhelming. No theatrics and you just see him lying on the floor. Could of been unconsciousness for all we know. Which his body disappears afterword without any transition. Guy is resilient as Master Tao from Dragon Ball which is who Ranjit reminds me of.

How hype would it be if they revealed the next DPS and your trainer is a reformed Ranjit?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Really depends if they want to expand on Ranjit. I'd like to believe he's still alive because his "death" was very underwhelming. No theatrics and you just see him lying on the floor. Could of been unconsciousness for all we know. Which his body disappears afterword without any transition. Guy is resilient as Master Tao from Dragon Ball which is who Ranjit reminds me of.

How hype would it be if they revealed the next DPS and your trainer is a reformed Ranjit?

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He's dead someone in 5.1 found his body and moved it. And even if he was alive he wouldn't be able to be our job trainer since he's from the first and they dont wanna tie jobs to story progress again and the job would have to be made available after the end of 5.0.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Really depends if they want to expand on Ranjit. I'd like to believe he's still alive because his "death" was very underwhelming. No theatrics and you just see him lying on the floor. Could of been unconsciousness for all we know. Which his body disappears afterword without any transition. Guy is resilient as Master Tao from Dragon Ball which is who Ranjit reminds me of.

How hype would it be if they revealed the next DPS and your trainer is a reformed Ranjit?

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How is Ranjit supposed to get from the First to the Source? The class trainer is going to be located in one of the starting cities, most likely Gridania. It is also going to start at lvl 70, which is before we meet Ranjit in the MSQ and when he is still very much antagonistic.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Really depends if they want to expand on Ranjit. I'd like to believe he's still alive because his "death" was very underwhelming. No theatrics and you just see him lying on the floor. Could of been unconsciousness for all we know. Which his body disappears afterword without any transition. Guy is resilient as Master Tao from Dragon Ball which is who Ranjit reminds me.

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Yeah... after Giaus and Zenos dodged death I guess no one is really confirmed to be off the table, huh...
I guess it really does come down to if they wanna expand on it or not.

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Originally Posted by Karl0217

How is Ranjit supposed to get from the First to the Source? The class trainer is going to be located in one of the starting cities, most likely Gridania. It is also going to start at lvl 70, which is before we meet Ranjit in the MSQ and when he is still very much antagonistic.

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There's nothing saying a class quest can't start in the Source that calls the WoL to the First. Think it's best to wait and see.

Since as you said the class starts at lvl 70 and 70-80 content is in the First.

If they involved Ranjit it would have to be between levels 80-90.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

There's nothing saying a class quest can't start in the Source that calls the WoL to the First. Think it's best to wait and see.

Since as you said the class starts at lvl 70 and 70-80 content is in the First.

If they involved Ranjit it would have to be between levels 80-90.

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They already confirmed that the role quest system from Shadowbringers will still be in use and that they are splitting the DPS role quests into melee and ranged DPS role quests. This job will have class quests from 70-80 with generic melee DPS role quests from 80-90 and a level 90 quest to tie up the expansion; just like Dancer and Gunbreaker had class quests from 60-70 and one level 80 class quest with 70-80 role quests in-between. There will be no 80-90 class quests for it or Sage.

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Originally Posted by Karl0217

They already confirmed that the role quest system from Shadowbringers will still be in use and that they are splitting the DPS role quests into melee and ranged DPS role quests. This job will have class quests from 70-80 with generic melee DPS role quests from 80-90 and a level 90 quest to tie up the expansion; just like Dancer and Gunbreaker had class quests from 60-70 and one level 80 class quest with 70-80 role quests in-between. There will be no 80-90 class quests for it or Sage.

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That's intriguing. I hope the writing is compelling for the 2 new jobs then if they will have significantly less development.

Well, some of the lore around the jobs may get expanded through NPCs with that job in MSQ (Alphinaud) or some big size content (Like GNB lore with Bozja).

my theory is that the job might have something to do with Azem. Perhaps flash of memories being awakened from being in a certain place and observing something, leading to key interest like some parts of Eorzea and the Azim Steppe for the pre-81 level quest and for post 80 stuff after we get Azem's star we get a job quest giver in the form of Emet (in the same vein as Hythlodious in that they are a mere memory fragment with a set purpose to perform). I think it be a cool way to give us story on Azem and the convocation leading up to the fight against Zodiark.

I also think the weapon will be a scythe which seems to be the common guess. Which would make sense due to the reaper and Azem being portrayed as shepherds in real world lore for reaper and in game lore for Azem. Plus it does seem a lot like we called forth Emet temporarily from the aetherial sea to help us during a big fight by using the stone.
It be cool if the gimmick of the class was to call forth lost souls, the ones we failed to save during our adventure (like Moenbryda, Haucherfant, and Emet to name a couple) that would jump for a duration to help us fight.

Again, a job starting at level 70, which we'll likely be able to play ShB through with, couldn't be tied to our character's identity as Azem's shard.
If we have flashbacks from Azem's life those will be part of the MSQ.

Your idea has a great awesome factor, but making those characters "simple" job mechanic would quickly diminish it. How special would it be if everyone does it all the time ? It'd work better in an instance fight of the MSQ, like when we play as Thancred etc.

they wouldn't have to wait until we get Azem's star to have a job around Azem. Like I said in my previous post, we could unlock it by tapping into memories by visiting places that have importance to Azem. The stars were intended to help ancients reclaim their memories, but there was nothing about them not being able to tap into them by themselves without help. How would making a job centered around our characters origin diminish it? That makes no sense.
You mean like how everyone is a WoL and how everyone is a shard of Azem? or how everyone was the one who dealt the final blow to Hades, or how about how everyone is the main character?
Having it be like the thancred scenario would be so detached imo for something that is so intimate for our character.

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

they wouldn't have to wait until we get Azem's star to have a job around Azem. Like I said in my previous post, we could unlock it by tapping into memories by visiting places that have importance to Azem. The stars were intended to help ancients reclaim their memories, but there was nothing about them not being able to tap into them by themselves without help. How would making a job centered around our characters origin diminish it? That makes no sense.
You mean like how everyone is a WoL and how everyone is a shard of Azem? or how everyone was the one who dealt the final blow to Hades, or how about how everyone is the main character?
Having it be like the thancred scenario would be so detached imo for something that is so intimate for our character.

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You misunderstand my point.
From your point of view you are the WoL/WoD. Other players are other adventurers with the echo.
Having a job so heavily tied to the MSQ would feel weird. Why not just make it part of the MSQ then ? It breaks the tacit suspension of disbelief that "you" are the WoL.

The job could be tied to Azem, absolutely. The job's questline could be tied to Azeyma etc... and maybe the level 80 quest, post ShB (though it should be post 5.3) make the connexion more obvious. Maybe it could be an art coming from followers of Azeyma/Azem, based on myth about them and how they fought while adventuring in their myths/in the unsundered world.
It is possible. It could work.

But Azem's crystal won't be the job's soul crystal, and we won't be summoning MSQ characters to fight for us.
We might summon them with the crystal during MSQ fights/cutscenes, yes. That's what the crystal was told to be able to do.But this is MSQ material only. This would make it "the canon job" of the WoL, and if so, it would have been the poster job (though who knows, later down the trailer we could see the WoL sporting a new job).

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

It be cool if the gimmick of the class was to call forth lost souls, the ones we failed to save during our adventure (like Moenbryda, Haucherfant, and Emet to name a couple) that would jump for a duration to help us fight.

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It would be pretty funny to TP to my FC house and see two people in the yard summoning Haucherfant on the training dummy while they practice rotations.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

It would be pretty funny to TP to my FC house and see two people in the yard summoning Haucherfant on the training dummy while they practice rotations.

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Imagine playing with someone that is going through ARR.
"Wait, why are you summoning Moenbryda, Haurchefant and Papalymo's souls?!"

Whoops!

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

my theory is that the job might have something to do with Azem. Perhaps flash of memories being awakened from being in a certain place and observing something, leading to key interest like some parts of Eorzea and the Azim Steppe for the pre-81 level quest and for post 80 stuff after we get Azem's star we get a job quest giver in the form of Emet (in the same vein as Hythlodious in that they are a mere memory fragment with a set purpose to perform). I think it be a cool way to give us story on Azem and the convocation leading up to the fight against Zodiark.

I also think the weapon will be a scythe which seems to be the common guess. Which would make sense due to the reaper and Azem being portrayed as shepherds in real world lore for reaper and in game lore for Azem. Plus it does seem a lot like we called forth Emet temporarily from the aetherial sea to help us during a big fight by using the stone.
It be cool if the gimmick of the class was to call forth lost souls, the ones we failed to save during our adventure (like Moenbryda, Haucherfant, and Emet to name a couple) that would jump for a duration to help us fight.

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The most you are likely going to get for a job to tie into the MSQ is along the lines of Estinien in the ARR Dragoon quests and his subsequent role in the MSQ of Heavensward. You have a few sentences of dialog changed to indicate you and Estinien already met and have a history. Also scythes are not the tool associated with a shepherd; that would be a crook. Scythes are associated with farmers and harvests.

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

my theory is that the job might have something to do with Azem. Perhaps flash of memories being awakened from being in a certain place and observing something, leading to key interest like some parts of Eorzea and the Azim Steppe for the pre-81 level quest and for post 80 stuff after we get Azem's star we get a job quest giver in the form of Emet (in the same vein as Hythlodious in that they are a mere memory fragment with a set purpose to perform). I think it be a cool way to give us story on Azem and the convocation leading up to the fight against Zodiark.

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There's no chance of them introducing a new job so dependent on MSQ. The jobs will be available in one of the three starting cities with no MSQ requirement like all the jobs from Stormblood and Shadowbringers and the introductory stories will make sense with no MSQ knowledge required. The questgivers will not be anyone involved in the MSQ because that would add the possibility of out-of-order interactions with characters.

We're not in ARR/HW anymore. They have made clear design decisions since then that they're going to stick to.

Would be funny if after all this discussion we get bamboozled again like we did with apothecary/chemist and sage

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Originally Posted by Endariel

Would be funny if after all this discussion we get bamboozled again like we did with apothecary/chemist and sage

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Honestly, I'm kind of expecting that.

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Originally Posted by Endariel

Would be funny if after all this discussion we get bamboozled again like we did with apothecary/chemist and sage

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And for many reasons. It would be the first time we'd have a shirt that much straightforward.

Batman -> The Dark Knight -> Dark knight.
Scarlet Witch -> Redmage (and not witch!)
Spiderman - Sam Raimi -> Samurai

And this time it would be Reaper -> Reaper?
Another problem is that both Zenos and Ran'jit are not PC models, they're simply "monsters" models.
And again another problem is that current Zenos and Ran'jit are not wearing heavy armors like dragoon.
There's so many problems such as "Why reaper?" the job doesn't exist in previous games, only ONE character in FFT. Gunbreaker put a name on Squall's job.

But Reaper? Where does that come from and why should it be the next job?
9 Days to wait for a reaper job with good explanation or to bamboozle more than half of the community.

Honestly, even if Scythe is the weapon to avoid repeatinng something like swords etc. "Reaper" won't be the job's name, and I doubt it'd be that tied to death or necromancy in any way.
Could very well be a Mystic Knight using a scythe forged with Thavnairian stuff to increase aether conductivity so it can channel spells.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

And this time it would be Reaper -> Reaper?
Another problem is that both Zenos and Ran'jit are not PC models, they're simply "monsters" models.
And again another problem is that current Zenos and Ran'jit are not wearing heavy armors like dragoon.
There's so many problems such as "Why reaper?" the job doesn't exist in previous games, only ONE character in FFT. Gunbreaker put a name on Squall's job.

But Reaper? Where does that come from and why should it be the next job?

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More then likely this next melee job is going to originate in some nation's military. Look at the classes that currently wear medium-heavy armor in the game (fending and maiming gear):

• Gladiator: Basic infantry of the Ul'dah Army and mercenary groups based out of Ul'dah
• Paladin: Royal Guard of the Ul'dah Sultanate
• Warrior / Marauder: Shock infantry of the Limsan Army
• Dark Knight: Vigilante order that grew out of the Ishgirdian Army, specifically the Temple Knights
• Gunbreaker: Soldiers of the Brozjan Royal Guard
• Lancer: Main line infantry of the Gridanian Army
• Dragoon: Elite anti-dragon soldiers of the Ishgirdian Army

It is not the kind of stuff mystics wear. Also Grim Reaper and skull-and-bone imagery has been quite popular among the insignia of real world military units for a long time. It was especially popular among many real-world cavalry units; especially hussar, lancer and dragoon units.

How likely is it that they add another tank as a surprise since it's the last expansion of this story?

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

How likely is it that they add another tank as a surprise since it's the last expansion of this story?

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I think that a tank will be added the next expansion after Endwalker. They seem to have a pattern to how they are adding classes with the expansions:

• Dark Knight: Tank
• Machinist: Ranged DPS
• Astrologian: Healer
• Samurai: Melee DPS
• Red Mage: Caster DPS
• Gunbreaker: Tank
• Dancer: Ranged DPS
• Sage: Healer
• Grim Reaper Shirt Class: Melee DPS

If that pattern holds we should be seeing a tank and a caster DPS next expansion after Endwalker.