Yoshi-P on Character Growth

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Some do it purely for fun, others for the rewards. Dungeons are done because tomestone gear is the best means of progression outside Savage. What you're purposing is multiple avenues to achieve the same result. We've seen them attempt this in smaller doses (Aquapolis, Beast Tribes and etc). But doing so with gear is just going to push people in the easiest direction. If my goal is to clear The Creator Savage, I want the fastest way possible to obtain necessary gear. If it came from say, PotD. Then I'll skip dungeons outside running them a couple times for fun because they don't offer what I'm looking for in terms of progression.

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Actually I'm proposing multiple sources that come later to obtain the same level of gear; gear that we aren't going to need, because we already have more or less equivalent gear. But you already explained that we don't need gear in our current system, so I fail to see how not needing the gear is a negative.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Actually I'm proposing multiple sources that come later to obtain the same level of gear; gear that we aren't going to need, because we already have more or less equivalent gear. But you already explained that we don't need gear in our current system, so I fail to see how not needing the gear is a negative.

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And like I said. How will this incentive people to farm for said gear outside glamour if it accomplishes nothing? Case in point, the two new dungeons will drop ilvl 235 gear. I'll either GC it or pass on everything that doesn't look pretty. Why? It does nothing for me. Furthermore, if say, ilvl 260 gear is obtainable outside The Creator Normal, and through an easier piece of content. People will spam that instead.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

So a game that offers character builds and such takes to much time and Yoshi wouldn't be able to play it? What? Diablo 3 and even the Borderlands series are very time friendly and I'd even say they don't get that involved with their builds until about half way through the level cap, similar how 14 doesn't really pick up until 30.

It seems to me that Yoshi just doesn't have the drive to add builds and elements into this game, he maybe trying to please every crowd this game has, so why not release some side content that does builds? I mean if people can get a RP icon next to their name, I don't see how they couldn't add a new game type.

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Because the RP icon is a simple UI feature. Character builds necessitate an entire addendum to the character menu infrastructure and basically overhauls progression as a whole. Not only would that impact everyone by design, the cost would be exceptionally high. You're comparing two completely different concepts-- one that requires significantly greater resources.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

How will this incentive people to farm for said gear outside glamour if it accomplishes nothing?

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It doesn't have to, because we already don't have incentive to do content. Yet people do it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Actually your efforts mean nothing really. I can log in, do expert, log out, come the next day and repeatedly do that just to get the latest tome gear, making doing anything else like materia melding pointless. because the standard stats from that gear is all you need to do anything. Or I could sit around and wait for the hunt ls to go off and kill them while watching netflix and meet my daily cap quickly. Strongest gear now with perfect melds? Next patch you'll just be standard, nice job on that raid clear btw, shame your gear is now 10ilvls lower than the new tome gear ;)

It all really makes sense to just to sub when a new patch drops. :/

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everyone can play like they want , no one is forcing u to stay subbed :P
also i prefer new gear every 3 months, then running around in the same gear for 1 year ^^
but guess tastes are different :P

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

everyone can play like they want , no one is forcing u to stay subbed :P
also i prefer new gear every 3 months, then running around in the same gear for 1 year ^^
but guess tastes are different :P

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What you Just Said is actually the same if you think about it, Just slightly less cosmetic unless you dont like the raider gear, plus higher ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Actually your efforts mean nothing really. It all really makes sense to just to sub when a new patch drops. :/

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Wow. You must be a real pleasure to play with, I guess. Different people enjoy different things. So what if people enjoy actually playing the game? All efforts towards gaming mean nothing unless you have a monetized YouTube account, yet people still play cause it's fun.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

It doesn't have to, because we already don't have incentive to do content. Yet people do it anyway.

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Yes, we do.

You cap tomestones every week for better gear
You farm the extreme primal for a weapon upgrade
You farm Alexander normal to further upgrade your gear
You attempt Savage for BiS

A 24-man raid is subsequently added for those who struggled with Savage earlier and need higher ilvls to ease the process. If we had ilvl 270 gear to everything, albeit with negligible stat differences. Why do half that content? One of the primary complaints regarding Savage outside its difficulty is the lackluster rewards. Making near equivalent gear easily obtainable would only further diminish the investment.

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

What you Just Said is actually the same if you think about it, Just slightly less cosmetic unless you dont like the raider gear, plus higher ilvl.

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maybe , with the only difference that i play the game coz i like it , also to play with friends and keep contanct to em :P
not just for my personall character progress ilvl :P

also i craft to , so have enough stuff to do and gathering :P

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Yes, we do.

You cap tomestones every week for better gear
You farm the extreme primal for a weapon upgrade
You farm Alexander normal to further upgrade your gear
You attempt Savage for BiS

A 24-man raid is subsequently added for those who struggled with Savage earlier and need higher ilvls to ease the process.

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None of this would change with the proposed system.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff? ( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?

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There is a problem with every content you mention.
What is their reward ? If it's cosmetic, most peope won't care. If it's gear, it will automatically be weaker than Tome gear and raid gear. And in one month, you can grind enough tome (capped and uncapped) to faceroll everything except raid. Of course, you won't have BiS gear, but you won't care either.

The worst part on gear reward is that if you quit the game for 6 months and come back, then you'll obtain the new Tome gear at the same rate as those who played constantly while skipping the intermediate gear because it has become worthless.

The "good" thing about horizontal progression is that most gear will stay relevant throughout the expansion.