So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

Shippuu, you offer nothing but opinions again. They aren't more valid than my own or others on the possibility that its not samurai. Projecting much about living in denial? You are surrounding your self in a bubble to block out anything that could possibly contradict Samurai is the next job. A samurais only Safe Space if you will. Nowadays people seem to have great difficulty knowing the difference of what is an opinion vs objective truth, something they should have learned in school. I take it in your case while others where learning this concept in school you studied the blade?

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Shippuu, you offer nothing but opinions again. They aren't more valid than my own or others on the possibility that its not samurai. Projecting much about living in denial? You are surrounding your self in a bubble to block out anything that could possibly contradict Samurai is the next job. A samurais only Safe Space if you will. Nowadays people seem to have great difficulty knowing the difference of what is an opinion vs objective truth, something they should have learned in school. I take it in your case while others where learning in school you studied the blade?

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Shippuu has provided you with factual, check-able "proof" time and again. I believe at this point someone (you, Frankenbeans) just refuses to accept it, but hey.. if you want to bury your head in the sand and refuse to see it.. go for it. February cannot get here fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Originally Posted by Final Fantasy Games where Samurai was a job or had a character representing said job
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy Type-0
Final Fantasy Explorers
Pictologica Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade
Final Fantasy All the Bravest
Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Mobius Final Fantasy

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Sorry, you missed one. Samurai was in FFTA2 also under the name Parivir (Youjimbo in the JP version). Wasn't out and out called Samurai but it was. So the count would be 17.

Also are you counting the Bravery Default series?

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Shippuu, you offer nothing but opinions again. They aren't more valid than my own or others on the possibility that its not samurai. Projecting much about living in denial? You are surrounding your self in a bubble to block out anything that could possibly contradict Samurai is the next job. A samurais only Safe Space if you will. Nowadays people seem to have great difficulty knowing the difference of what is an opinion vs objective truth, something they should have learned in school. I take it in your case while others where learning this concept in school you studied the blade?

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I'm just gonna point out that the reasons why samurai was chosen over dark knight is something that Yoshida actually said in an interview.
So you're wrong and he's right.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Shippuu has provided you with factual, check-able "proof" time and again. I believe at this point someone (you, Frankenbeans) just refuses to accept it, but hey.. if you want to bury your head in the sand and refuse to see it.. go for it. February cannot get here fast enough.

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So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.
There is No Samurai in FF9. Steiner is not a Samurai but a Knight, making his Samurai list a total of 15

So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

We all got it wrong, the shirt hints to a brand new Job...

SPIDERMANCERS!!!!
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120507065740

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.
There is No Samurai in FF9. Steiner is not a Samurai but a Knight, making his Samurai list a total of 15

So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

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Final fantasy Games with Samurai in it:

5
6
9
10
10-2
11
12
lightning returns
tactics
legend 2
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Dissidia 2015
Explorers
Pictologica
Airborne brigade
artniks
all the bravest
record keeper
mobius
trade card game
Tactics 2 (as Parivir)

So, your numbers are off too, 22 times has Samurai been in a "final fantasy" game, though if you want to get technical, you can subtract parivir since it's not 'called' samurai.

Final fantasy games with Blue Mage in it:

5
6
8
9
10
11
lightning returns
tactics advance
tactics advance 2
tactics S
Type-0
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Airborne brigade
all the bravest
Record Keeper (the sprite is in the files but not playable)
Pictologica
Explorers
Trading card game

19 times has it been in a game with final fantasy in the title. (I even spotted you one with record keeper)

Now who's numbers are off?

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I'm just gonna point out that the reasons why samurai was chosen over dark knight is something that Yoshida actually said in an interview.
So you're wrong and he's right.

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No I am not wrong. He said so at the past London fan festival.

I am new to the forums so I don't know the rules for posting links to other websites. So if its against them forgive me and I will take it down

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...ew/673698.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rview_summary/

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Final fantasy Games with Samurai in it:

5
6
9
10
10-2
11
12
lightning returns
tactics
legend 2
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Dissidia 2015
Explorers
Pictologica
Airborne brigade
artniks
all the bravest
record keeper
mobius
trade card game
Tactics 2 (as Parivir)

So, your numbers are off too, 22 times has Samurai been in a "final fantasy" game, though if you want to get technical, you can subtract parivir since it's not 'called' samurai.

Final fantasy games with Blue Mage in it:

5
6
8
9
10
11
lightning returns
tactics advance
tactics advance 2
tactics S
Type-0
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Airborne brigade
all the bravest
Record Keeper (the sprite is in the files but not playable)
Pictologica
Explorers
Trading card game

19 times has it been in a game with final fantasy in the title. (I even spotted you one with record keeper)

Now who's numbers are off?

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Your numbers are off. Surprise Surprise.

You don't add FF7 enemy skill which is blue magic +1

Bartz uses blue magic in Dissidia 2015 +1

Gun Mage used blue magic in 10-2 +1

FF9's steiner is not a samurai but a Knight -1 for samurai

Stragos a blue mage/loremaster is in artniks +1 for blue mage
*Stragos is also in record keeper by the way along with those blue mage sprites*

so by that count we are at 24 for blue mage
and 21 for Samurai.

Heck Final Fantasy IV the after years had a blue mage dancer hybrid so 25 if you want to count that. Imagine if the class is a Blue mage dancer hybrid that uses blue ribbons/scarves like spider mans webs. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Look we can keep this up all day but its not gonna solve anything. Look guys my whole point is not that Blue mage is coming over samurai, It's that Samurai is not a guaranteed shoe in and that there is equal possibility that it can be another job. I am not against the samurai class in fact Id like to see it eventually as a DPS (hopefully not a tank). Im saying that the samurai "proofs" are the same as blue mage "proofs" and that blue mage is just as valid. Im just here in this thread to speculate about possible jobs the spiderman shirt could represent. I'm not here to pick fights.

I think we're all getting side-tracked here.

Counting the number of titles in which Samurai and Blue Mage have been included doesn't seem like it will relate to FFXIV all that much, particularly as FFXIV is a stand-alone game. I agree with Frankenbeans, a number of Pro-Samurai players are highly vocal and tend to be aggressive both in tone and content, as if by intimidating others into silence, it will somehow increase the odds that the Spiderman shirt references Samurai. I also don't think these people need necessarily be acknowledged beyond the content of their posts. There's little point in policing tone, when the internet is a pretty terrible place to convey such subtle aspects of conversation.

Logic indicates the Spider-Man Shirt (the topic of this thread by it's very title) would reference Blue Mage. It takes, 'Mental Gymnastics,' to convince one's self or others differently. Spiderman's very story is that of a Blue Mage, in essence.
Logic indicates through data-mined files that there is a high probably that Samurai will be added in Stormblood. These files could be false and meant to lead us astray, but they're still more solid than speculation on a shirt.

Looking at the two above, I can't help but conclude we'll get both Samurai and Blue Mage in Stormblood. Spiderman's shirt references Blue Mage, and Samurai files have already been added to the game files. Seems pretty simple and straightforward. The -true-, 'Mental Gymnastics,' are the assumptions we'll only get -2- new classes for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by frankenbeans

Your numbers are off. Surprise Surprise.

You don't add FF7 enemy skill which is blue magic +1

Bartz uses blue magic in Dissidia 2015 +1

Gun Mage used blue magic in 10-2 +1

FF9's steiner is not a samurai but a Knight -1 for samurai

Stragos a blue mage/loremaster is in artniks +1 for blue mage
*Stragos is also in record keeper by the way along with those blue mage sprites*

so by that count we are at 24 for blue mage
and 21 for Samurai.

Heck Final Fantasy IV the after years had a blue mage dancer hybrid so 25 if you want to count that. Imagine if the class is a Blue mage dancer hybrid that uses blue ribbons/scarves like spider mans webs. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Look we can keep this up all day but its not gonna solve anything. Look guys my whole point is not that Blue mage is coming over samurai, It's that Samurai is not a guaranteed shoe in and that there is equal possibility that it can be another job. I am not against the samurai class in fact Id like to see it eventually as a DPS (hopefully not a tank). Im saying that the samurai "proofs" are the same as blue mage "proofs" and that blue mage is just as valid. Im just here in this thread to speculate about possible jobs the spiderman shirt could represent. I'm not here to pick fights.

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Yeah, we could keep it up all day, I'm done arguing. Insisting on BLU, just like those who insist upon DNC, is anyone's right. You'll see what you want and dispute anything that doesn't fit with your own mental narrative. No point in trying to convince you otherwise. We'll just have to wait till February. Hopefully, the "(insert job) was confirmed! Why did they remove it! I'm gonna quit!" threads will be minimal.

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Yeah, we could keep it up all day, I'm done arguing. Insisting on BLU, just like those who insist upon DNC, is anyone's right. You'll see what you want and dispute anything that doesn't fit with your own mental narrative. No point in trying to convince you otherwise. We'll just have to wait till February. Hopefully, the "(insert job) was confirmed! Why did they remove it! I'm gonna quit!" threads will be minimal.

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Projection thy name is Dorander :D

Yes I am in complete agreement with you. You'll see what you want and dispute anything that doesn't fit with your own mental narrative. No point in trying to to convince you otherwise. Yup I cannot wait till February when it is finally revealed. My birthday is during the Fan Festival and my birthday wish is that everyone will be happy and excited for the revelations and come together as a community as we all love and support this game. Here's hoping birthday dreams do come true.

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Looking at the two above, I can't help but conclude we'll get both Samurai and Blue Mage in Stormblood. Spiderman's shirt references Blue Mage, and Samurai files have already been added to the game files. Seems pretty simple and straightforward. The -true-, 'Mental Gymnastics,' are the assumptions we'll only get -2- new classes for Stormblood.

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RDM has a very strong Sharlayan aesthetic and Samurai is of Doman origin, were it just to be these two classes to be introduced the entire expansion it'd be a shame to not be introduced to any more disciplines of Ala Mhigan origin. If the link to Rhauban can be made, then having BLU be that discipline would be interesting.

We will see the reveal of the second job for launch at the final fan fest, and the reveal or possibly even a hint of one to come after the release. Something more intrinsically tied to Ala Mhigo or the situation there and perhaps becomes available as the story of SB unfolds.

Personally I don't think it matters how many times any job appears. Look at ast lol. Yoshida just said the next job announced will be true to ff. Guess that's subjective.

I never considered samurai to be FF like at all really, just my opinion. I just remember it as a slow job I'd have to use in FFT to unlock other jobs that would heal and break a sword every time I used a skill. Cyan in ff6 was so slow I never used him either..lol

Steiner is a knight with a few Sam skills. Sorry but samurai don't wield the Excalibur(2), his bis weapon. He is the leader of knights of Pluto and his damn quote he calls himself a knight. And if need be I can scan my book where it lists him as a "knight"

FF9 is one of my favorites and for sure he is not listed or considered a Samurai...

Unless some of you want the Sam relic to be Excalibur lol.

Either way its in the dats so there is a very high chance it's coming in 4.0. They'll find a way to fit it into the xiv battle system and you'll see a billion lf them. :D. Then all the people who would love to have samurai can finally go play it and better hope its good and not homogenized like the other jobs.

It's funny cuz in xi my bf was a bis sam with mythic, relic and full salvage way back in the day and even he said who cares if they bring it because it will just end up like ninja (in the sense that its a job he didnt enjoy, multi hit animations with one damage number no ty) or how every job feels samey.

At least it will bring all my anime buddies back for a month before they quit again. >.>

What did yall think about the NPC in the Rising Stones that speaks about the Doman Samurais?

Its small, but it definitely solidifies the existence of Samurais in the games lore. kind of like how Astrologians were already in the game before it became a job.

Here's the quote, but it DOES have a story spoiler in it soo..

SPOILER ALERT!

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Sacrificing oneself for one's duty...
Such actions remind me of the warriors of Doma--of the samurai and shinobi who died for our cause.

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Number of games featuring Astrologian prior to its FFXIV debut: ZERO

Stop with the "numbers proof" on both sides. Numbers mean squat, just ask the nearest Yu-Gi-Oh healer.

I think that doman npc is hinting at samurai.

Yoshida said in a recent interview that yugiri was gone for a while and coming back for a "interesting" reason or something. I'm leaning toward us learning about samurai the same way they threw ninja in.

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Number of games featuring Astrologian prior to its FFXIV debut: ZERO

Stop with the "numbers proof" on both sides. Numbers mean squat, just ask the nearest Yu-Gi-Oh healer.

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Exactly. In the end its whatever job Yoshida decides. Has nothing to do with how many times anything appeared.

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What did yall think about the NPC in the Rising Stones that speaks about the Doman Samurais?

Its small, but it definitely solidifies the existence of Samurais in the games lore. kind of like how Astrologians were already in the game before it became a job.

Here's the quote, but it DOES have a story spoiler in it soo..

SPOILER ALERT!

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I don't think anyone's refuting that we'll get to play as SAMs at this point, now it's a tussle to be if it's now or later still. The foundation is laid out that it exists, nothing concrete saying it's right now.

NPC chatter is just lore fluff. A person reminiscing about their countrymen with war on the horizon.

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Number of games featuring Astrologian prior to its FFXIV debut: ZERO

Stop with the "numbers proof" on both sides. Numbers mean squat, just ask the nearest Yu-Gi-Oh healer.

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Astrologian has existed before it was in tactics, and bravery second.

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I agree. If anything, we will get both. there are clear signs leading to both.

However, Yoshi-P did say a while back (I believe before HW came out, don't quote me, though) that it was extremely difficult for the dev team to create 3 jobs, and it was something they would never want to do again. So its pretty safe to assume that we are getting 2. Not definite, just safe.

Also, they do have to put in a lot of time in the revamping of the battle system, which I'm sure if a huge feat. That can definitely take away development time of a 3rd job, or quite honestly it could make the development of a 3rd job easier. Who knows.

IF I had to guess, I would say both SAM & BLU. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

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Astrologian has existed before it was in tactics, and bravery second.

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HW came out before bravely second and I don't remember it in FFT...was it in that psp remake because I skipped that due to the awful lag...unless I simply forgot. I really don't remember unlocking it at all. >.<

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HW came out before bravely second and I don't remember it in FFT...was it in that psp remake because I skipped that due to the awful lag...unless I simply forgot. I really don't remember unlocking it at all. >.<

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Based on Wikipedia it's a npc job.

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Astrologian has existed before it was in tactics, and bravery second.

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FF Type-0 --> Ace

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Except if you actually paid attention to the quest, especially in 3.5, you'd know it is not time magic.

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Hum, it's my bad, in french, he talked about "Chronomancien" which is a kind of Time Mage.
But I don't know how it is called in the english version.
Anyways, it's really too detailed to be included in Astrologian. And if it was, Cyr would have mentionned it. But no, it's not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Based on Wikipedia it's a npc job.

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Oh, that's why lol I don't remember any npc with that job at all. I played FFT to death.

If we talking about FFT npc jobs , can we get the Princess job Ovelia was? :P

Either way the point still stands I'd say, AST wasn't very popular in the FF world and we got it in this game.

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Oh, that's why lol I don't remember any npc with that job at all. I played FFT to death.

If we talking about FFT npc jobs , can we get the Princess job Ovelia was? :P

Either way the point still stands I'd say, AST wasn't very popular in the FF world and we got it in this game.

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Olan/Oran is an Astrologer/Astrologian. His signature job skill was Celestial Stasis.

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It is just lore stuff I guess, but lore stuff is the essence of this game, and it's what primarily moves this game forward, even if lore isn't deemed important to much of the player base. The difference between this game and most other MMO's is that lore is held in the highest regard by the developers.

I don't think the developers would put this unrecognizable and unimportant NPC in the area where the MSQ ends for this patch, and give him such controversial & significantly relevant line when it wasn't even called for, and had nothing to really do with the MSQ. I especially don't think they would do it right now if nothing would come from it in the near future.

You're right that its not definite or concrete. In fact, no type of hints or clues about any job is definite or concrete. It will only be once its officially announced. But something that is put in the game by the dev team, mentioning a job that has been talked about for years now, AND was added right around the time that EVERYONE is fervently speculating what the new job will be....

Yeah, this is about the closest thing we will have to concrete.


I agree with you, though. I think it's unrefutable that SAM will be a job in this game.

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Astrologian has existed before it was in tactics, and bravery second.

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Bravery came after, but I'll give you Tactics, I forgot the Twins. Either way its a very small number compared to the two being argued. My thesis stands though, numbers don't matter.

the thing is its fine and all to try to make your case, everyone has their favorite jobs and thats ok. But COME ON PEOPLE dont make stuff up, and dont insult not one but 2 cultures when you want to project speculation, Steiner was not EVER a SAM, the armor for one is that of a Knight, and Excalibur WILL NEVER BE a Katana, Its actually frustrating to see people grasp at straws so hard they dont even know what they are talking about to try to make their case. Im sorry it just makes you look foolish.

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Number of games featuring Astrologian prior to its FFXIV debut: ZERO

Stop with the "numbers proof" on both sides. Numbers mean squat, just ask the nearest Yu-Gi-Oh healer.

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By name, Astrologian appeared once. Final Fantasy Tactics' Astrologer's JP name is different by one character from modern Astrologian's, but the name is the same (and slight tweaks to how a job is spelled out aren't really uncommon, either).

Astral Stasis, the LV3 Limit Break ability of Astrologian, takes its name from Celestial Stasis, to the point where the JP names are identical (星天停止). Celestial Stasis was an ability of Astrologer in Final Fantasy Tactics.

On top of this, Astrologian borrows heavily from Time Mage, as well as Oracle. Astrologian isn't new, it's just a creative package of several jobs that couldn't stand on their own.

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the thing is its fine and all to try to make your case, everyone has their favorite jobs and thats ok. But COME ON PEOPLE dont make stuff up, and dont insult not one but 2 cultures when you want to project speculation, Steiner was not EVER a SAM, the armor for one is that of a Knight, and Excalibur WILL NEVER BE a Katana, Its actually frustrating to see people grasp at straws so hard they dont even know what they are talking about to try to make their case. Im sorry it just makes you look foolish.

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To be fair, all of the Blue/Red color from anything recent is rather ridiculous as well. OMG the poem has blue/red, rdm/blu confirmed. omg the trailer had red/blue auras red/blu confirmed.

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Olan/Oran is an Astrologer/Astrologian. His signature job skill was Celestial Stasis.

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OH! Olan ok word, yeah I remember him now. And now I remember that ability too. Ty!!! How could I forget him lol

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To be fair, all of the Blue/Red color from anything recent is rather ridiculous as well. OMG the poem has blue/red, rdm/blu confirmed. omg the trailer had red/blue auras red/blu confirmed.

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Lmao this is true too. I just smile and nod...

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To be fair, all of the Blue/Red color from anything recent is rather ridiculous as well. OMG the poem has blue/red, rdm/blu confirmed. omg the trailer had red/blue auras red/blu confirmed.

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>_> but blu wasnt confirmed and it would a travesty in xiv with the way the combat system is, thats another thing that erks me people want something so bad they dont even think of the concept of the job and how it would fit in xiv... Spoiler (it would be a train wreck)

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I don't think the developers would put this unrecognizable and unimportant NPC in the area where the MSQ ends for this patch, and give him such controversial & significantly relevant line when it wasn't even called for, and had nothing to really do with the MSQ. I especially don't think they would do it right now if nothing would come from it in the near future.

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Previously people have only latched onto just the dialogue of that NPC and parading it as fact that SAM is the >next< job. But you make good points when you also think about the time and place with where it was mentioned. That's how hints should be looked at; don't just take anything bare-bones and look around for other details.

Last year if Yoshi only showed off the 007 shirt and nothing else, people would have been lost trying to figure out what he was referencing. People only picked up the idea that it was a gun job when he made a pose holding a gun.

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>_> but blu wasnt confirmed and it would a travesty in xiv with the way the combat system is, thats another thing that erks me people want something so bad they dont even think of the concept of the job and how it would fit in xiv... Spoiler (it would be a train wreck)

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The "Learning" ability is legitimately the least important factor in making a Blue Mage work. It's doable, you just need to be a little more imaginative about it.

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The "Learning" ability is legitimately the least important factor in making a Blue Mage work. It's doable, you just need to be a little more imaginative about it.

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BLU will be the next new gathering class!

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The "Learning" ability is legitimately the least important factor in making a Blue Mage work. It's doable, you just need to be a little more imaginative about it.

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Agreed. The simplest way to do it would be that every ability we get that comes from a monster would just be job quest, meaning that every job quest we have would be about hunting a specific monster, and because of our soul crystal, we will be able to learn their ability.

They would be like the 1 person instanced quest, and we have to meet a certain requirement in order to get the monster to use the move on us, like get its health very low without killing it until it uses the move, or defeat it under certain times, stuff like that.

If BLU was a tank, it can even be a quest where we would have to survive a devastating high damage move in order for us to learn it.

The moves we get from leveling would be like buffs, and weaponskill actions or something.

That's how I would do it.

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The "Learning" ability is legitimately the least important factor in making a Blue Mage work. It's doable, you just need to be a little more imaginative about it.

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ROFL Thats dumb, yes I know how they would do it, and idc how hard you want to believe it, it wont be a legit blu. Hence the fact it would be a travesty and a train wreck. a BLU who doesnt have to learn from the monsters... it just knows the attacks and you have to use them all in a specific order... good lord that sounds sooooo bad... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THAT?

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BLU will be the next new gathering class!

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Or even a blunt damage tank :D wouldn't that be cool.

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Projection thy name is Dorander :D

Yes I am in complete agreement with you. You'll see what you want and dispute anything that doesn't fit with your own mental narrative. No point in trying to to convince you otherwise. Yup I cannot wait till February when it is finally revealed. My birthday is during the Fan Festival and my birthday wish is that everyone will be happy and excited for the revelations and come together as a community as we all love and support this game. Here's hoping birthday dreams do come true.

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Right back at you Frakenbeans. Ignoring data files thinking they are a red herring, and so on and so on. Oh, here are a few more 'numbers' for you:

1. Final fantasy 7 - Sephiroth
2. Final Fantasy 9 - Amarant has both monk and samurai skills. So, as you brought up, could be a hybrid. However, if you want to nix the hybrids.. That's up to you.
3. Brave Exvius - Cyan
4. Final Fantasy XV - Cor Leonis
5. Theatrhythm - Auron
6. They are enemies in final fantasy Legend 1
7. They are enemies in final fantasy legend 3

So, adding those 6 (with your subtraction and assumption I was talking about Steiner) That increases Samurai's "representation" Up to 27. (or if you scrap the hybrids - 26 to your 24 for blue mage)

So, please.. continue along with your hopes for BLU. Maybe you'll get your birthday wish, or maybe you'll be disappointed.

Really amarant you're creating false samurai characters BLU and SAM are pretty much on par in introductions into the series doesn't mean samurai has appeared more than BLU.