Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Oh yes, I totally understand. (not sarcasm)
At this point, I'm not fighting it... but I concede.

Seeing as there's not much point in me getting Heavensward as of right now, the hype just got lost in me.
I'm taking a break for now. Then maybe get back again when I feel like it.

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I've got access to HW and even my hype is low at the moment :/, so I can't blame you for losing hype when you don't even have access to it.

I do not like a lot of the changes made to existing things in the game. Plus I've been addicted to and really enjoying The Witcher 3...maybe that has something to do with it :P.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Imagine a role-play scenario like this (juxtaposes as actual player scenario who just bought Heavensward):
*at the steps of faith*
Newb Adventurer A: So this is the revered holy city of Ishgard. I heard they are teaching outsiders the ways of the Dark Knight there.
Newb Adventurer B: Dark Knight? That sounds awesome! Where do we sign up?
Ishguard: Halt! Who goes there!
Newb Adventurer A: Greetings, honored guardsman of Ishgard. We have come from the distant lands of Limsa Lominsa in search of learning Ishgard's secret arts of the Dark Knight.
Ishguard: You shall not pass!
Newb Adventurer B: Whaaat? But your Holy See has declared open gates to everyone?!
Ishguard: Only the Warrior of Light may pass these sacred grounds! Now move along!
Newb Adventurer B: Aw bummer

Well, yeah I'm stretching this quite a bit. But I really feel we could at least get a bit of an immediate returns when we buy Heavensward. At this pace, I don't have reason to buy the expansion until I finish the MSQ first. Is that how it's supposed to be?

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Actually if you walked up to the Guards in Ishgard and told them you wanted to be a Dark Knight its likely they would drive you off, if not stab you. Dark Knights are pariahs. They hunt powerful corrupt clergy using forbidden power. They hardly sound like they are part of the common establishment.

I see no problem with requiring MSQ to access Ishgard (from a story perspective). I can also see why HW would be less-appealing considering.

If most of the content is geared towards people at ilvl 110 with everything done, then it's an expansion that's only adding to the end and nothing to the middle.

It's atypical for expansions I think, which typically add low/mid-level content at the same time. As an aside, as someone with all the MSQ done, I'm a little concerned that though I've finished everything, I'll be comparably under-geared compared to someone that chose to *wait* on completing the MSQ if they added a bunch of 110 stuff as rewards. I completed things at around ilvl 95, and that was a slow progression of doing daily roulettes and the like to buy various pieces of soldiery gear.

In a way, the people that waited are kinda lucky, considering.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Well, If you were level 50 for some time but still only at Garuda in the Main Scenario quest then thats really your own fault. :P

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Yeah, I'm really sorry for playing at my own pace. :(

I totally regret paying attention to the beast tribes after I finished Stone Vigil.
I regret having to enjoy PvP for awhile.
I should also regret leveling my crafting and gathering at the same pace as my combat class.
I should have never tried leveling other classes.
I should never have wasted my time in Gold Saucer.

I really should have finished story mode first and foremost before doing everything else.

(sorry for being overly sarcastic and dramatic there. No offense intended, but I had to let that out a bit)

Most of the time, I have no problem speeding through the story. My only problems are the Duty parts. I play in off-peak hours in relation to North American time, in addition to having a DPS as my main class, I tend to have really boring wait times especially when selecting specific dungeons.

Also, having to do Duty Roulettes pretty much every day I can I tend to really level up fast so as such I have overtaken Story quest levels.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Actually if you walked up to the Guards in Ishgard and told them you wanted to be a Dark Knight its likely they would drive you off, if not stab you. Dark Knights are pariahs. They hunt powerful corrupt clergy using forbidden power. They hardly sound like they are part of the common establishment.

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Is that so.............. :(

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

To be fair, it is easy to do that it that quickly as healer, A person who has only a dps job will not be so "quick" with progression.

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Grab a tank buddy. Even better, grab a tank buddy who is working on a relic. They're willing to do anything if it gives them lights or soldiery (probably poetics soon.)

This is what FCs are really made for. We've been catching people up pretty steadily for the last week.

I agree with this for one simple fact. My friend and I have an interest in the new Job classes. We both have level 50 characters, but we have not completed the MSQ through Steps of Faith. In fact we just barely beat the Ultimate Weapon, so there is quite a bit of story line that we have to tackle before we can reach the new jobs.

Honestly, he has his eye set on Machinest while I myself intend to reroll into a Summoner which I nearly have to level 30. I had hoped to we could both start at level 30 and hit the ground running. I fully intend to do all story line quests, I just wish we could do it on the jobs of our choosing.

can you enter stone vigil(or any other duty) if your below the requirement? no.

Can you leave you chosen town before you complete the MSQ by airship? no you cant funny that lol

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

Can you leave you chosen town before you complete the MSQ by airship? no you cant funny that lol

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Yes you can actually. You can travel from La Noscea to Thanalan by taking the boat (by sea), then Thanalan to Shroud by walking. Funny that lol. (I return aggressive sarcasm)

EDIT: Okay, I'll take this a bit further. You can travel from Shroud to Coerthas also by foot, then go to Mor Dhona from there with nothing to stop you, assuming you stay away from harms way... but you can easily do that by following the roads.

Lo an' behold. All major areas are available to the player if he so desires to go.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Yes you can actually. You can travel from La Noscea to Thanalan by taking the boat (by sea), then Thanalan to Shroud by walking. Funny that lol. (I return aggressive sarcasm)

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actually the boats wont let u use them til u progressed far enough since tried. so your actually wrong there.

thanalan and black shroud is both connected while la noscea isnt

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Yes you can actually. You can travel from La Noscea to Thanalan by taking the boat (by sea), then Thanalan to Shroud by walking. Funny that lol. (I return aggressive sarcasm)

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Actually, you have to be on a specific quest where you travel as your nation's envoy before you can even use the ferry. Many have tried, especially after the launch of rogue. There is only one work-around and that's to be in a company whose house is located on the other side of the ocean and have an aetheryte placed on the lawn.

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Originally Posted by kaya_suzumiya

actually the boats wont let u use them til u progressed far enough since tried. so your actually wrong there.

thanalan and black shroud is both connected while la noscea isnt

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Hmm okay, point taken. I assume you meant the boats of Western Thanalan and Lower La Noscea. What quest is it if I may ask?

Although, I wished to point that you are able to travel through the areas without the airship.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Actually, you have to be on a specific quest where you travel as your nation's envoy before you can even use the ferry. Many have tried, especially after the launch of rogue. There is only one work-around and that's to be in a company whose house is located on the other side of the ocean and have an aetheryte placed on the lawn.

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i dont think even then u can do it seeing as i remember new players who join fc doesnt even have the teleport to house for example mists teleport

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Hmm okay, point taken. I assume you meant the boats of Western Thanalan and Lower La Noscea.

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i mean boats from limsa to western thanalan. seeing as the others doesnt get u to blackshroud or thanalan from la noscea

I bought the latest WoW expansion recently, I'm not entirely sure why I did that but anyway with the xpac I got an included "boost" to level 90 which was the level cap before this xpac landed. After the boost my character is conveniently in the new area starting the questing there, with level 90 gear and a few abilities. I'm honestly not sure if that's a better way to do it. On arrival there I felt so unfamiliar with everything... It only allowed me to queue for dungeons around my level, which I didn't dare because I don't know the abilities, layout etc. well enough. It kinda throws you in the deep end, I guess. I think in the future there will be more of this type of thing. To me, the levelling/questing process in MMOs are tedious. Things don't get interesting till endgame. But then if you go straight there you'll not have had time to get acquainted with the game...

I've been in multiple different MMOs and no other MMO has had this much 'quest-gated' content. Everything is quest gated in this game. Dyes are quest gated, glamours are quest gated, every single dungeon available is quest gated, housing is quest gated, Gold Saucer is quest gated, Sight Seeing is quest gated, chocobos are quest gated, every new feature introduced in the game is quest gated.

The brand new expansion is quest gated.
The reason why this is a problem is that usually when an expansion happens, people want a fresh start. The more requirements placed upon players to be able to participate in something as basic as...new content they paid for...the less players will be able to meet those requirements.

Trying to get through the msq is very frustrating. It wouldn't be so bad if 90% of the msq before 2.1 wasn't filler content.

No other MMO I know of does this, at least not so consistently.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Grab a tank buddy. Even better, grab a tank buddy who is working on a relic. They're willing to do anything if it gives them lights or soldiery (probably poetics soon.)

This is what FCs are really made for. We've been catching people up pretty steadily for the last week.

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You make it sound so very easy. Sadly that is not the case for most brand new people who are starting the game. In fact i had to leave my last server because most people did not care to help since they were done, (and the none-active endgame and terrible playerbase) thankfully because i was a healer, the time i could actually play i got through the story pretty quickly. but i can imagine how it is for a pure dps who cannot conjure up tank buddies that quickly, assuming they actually aren't selfish.

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Originally Posted by matteoxyz

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I know what you mean. I got dragged into WoW a few months before Draenor so I did the grind from 1 to I think..43 or something before that 90 boost came in. Waited until I think I was in the 60s or whatever the requirement was to get fully upgraded crafts of choice with the 90 boost. Not going to lie everything felt...empty. Even though I knew the basics of my class, enough changed in those last 30 levels I skipped that I felt super derpy trying to do anything. I was utterly useless in raids.

To me though the level grind here feels very different than the grind in WoW. I just couldn't get into WoW's story or lore, and it felt painfully slow. Leveling in FF14 feels so much faster compared to any other MMO I've played considering all the level bonuses we have now, let alone what we'll be getting in the next few hours.

Also...while your opinion is valid and I respect it, I just don't understand why people who hate questing play themepark MMOs. That's like...80% of the game and you claim you hate it. Whereas endgame you do the same two-three dungeons over and over again and yet that's the hot thing to do constantly? I personally just can't see the difference.

Soo many replies not going to read all of them but to the OP

NOOOOOOOOOOO

this is actually a good thing, it makes it feel like we accomplished something, its a story driven game, get over it, and play the story.

the hero of light wants into Ishgard without even becoming a hero in the first place and saving them...? how would that even work when thats the only reason you are able to get inside at all

I'm going to be in Ishgard in a few hours, how about you?

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Yes you can actually. You can travel from La Noscea to Thanalan by taking the boat (by sea), then Thanalan to Shroud by walking. Funny that lol. (I return aggressive sarcasm)

EDIT: Okay, I'll take this a bit further. You can travel from Shroud to Coerthas also by foot, then go to Mor Dhona from there with nothing to stop you, assuming you stay away from harms way... but you can easily do that by following the roads.

Lo an' behold. All major areas are available to the player if he so desires to go.

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"by airship" i didn't say it wasn't possible at all but by airship it is locked

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

I'm going to be in Ishgard in a few hours, how about you?

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I won't be! ^^; I finished the 2.1 quests and so my early access will be doing the rest. After hearing about exp and armor gains I figured it would be better to be patient and wait. I don't need the gear on my BLM but if it's like previous quests I can grab 50 gear for a healing class. Yay~

I will however at least change to Au Ra as soon as I log in.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

I'm going to be in Ishgard in a few hours, how about you?

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Well, congratulations on keeping up with the Main Stories.

Others will most likely rush the story, skip everything and be a bit more impatient if they want to get their money's worth in the expansion.
As for me, I will drown my sorrows and lost hype by logging off from the game and doing something else for the time being. -_-

http://i1.wp.com/gearnuke.com/wp-con...size=798%2C350 want this to be done tomorrow .I really care less about the quality of the game

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Hmm the Holy See should have included that clause...

What reason should I buy Heavensward right now if I haven't finished MSQ yet? If nothing... then I'll just bite it and move on then. :(

Yes, I can speed through it over the weekend. No, I don't want to speed through it over the weekend and I have other stuff to do.

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So take a week or two playing a couple of hours a day and then get HW. Dude, are you seriously only at Garuda considering how long you've been registered...
I guess you have no desire to meet our friends, Gaius, Livia, Nero, and Rhitatyn, and their pet the Ultimate Weapon... or Leviathan, Shiva, Ramuh, Fenrir, the Tonberry people, or the cool residents in the Crystal Tower, nevermind Midgardsomr the guardian of Silvertear Lake who saved Eorzea once from the Imperials! And let us not forget Midgardsormr's son Vishap...oh and the Ascians.

Your loss

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Well, congratulations on keeping up with the Main Stories.

Others will most likely rush the story, skip everything and be a bit more impatient if they want to get their money's worth in the expansion.
As for me, I will drown my sorrows and lost hype by logging off from the game and doing something else for the time being. -_-

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moneys worth? the expansion will be around for two years......the story takes less then a week, wtf you worrying about?

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

So take a week or two playing a couple of hours a day and then get HW. Dude, are you seriously only at Garuda considering how long you've been registered...
I guess you have no desire to meet our friends, Gaius, Livia, Nero, and Rhitatyn, and their pet the Ultimate Weapon... or Leviathan, Shiva, Ramuh, Fenrir, the Tonberry people, or the cool residents in the Crystal Tower, nevermind Midgardsomr the guardian of Silvertear Lake who saved Eorzea once from the Imperials! And let us not forget Midgardsormr's son Vishap...oh and the Ascians.

Your loss (for being lazy) <- you seemed to have removed this part

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Suddenly this ticked me off. You really insulted someone you do not know?

And how long did you suppose I have been subscribed to this game? Unfortunately, I do something else IRL and in terms of leisure this is not the only game I play. At the span of 2 years ARR has been out I am only subscribed for 4 months. But I make the most out of those times and fortunately, I did mostly nothing but speed through the storyline this past month, but I also do not neglect my crafting and gathering classes. Additionally, in game I also do something else besides story, since this game has much more to offer. Oh isn't that great do to be able to do a multitude of other things in one game?

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Originally Posted by stephenjd3

moneys worth? the expansion will be around for two years......the story takes less then a week, wtf you worrying about?

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Me? I worry no more, as you have read.

But just to answer that, the story takes less than a week *if* I rush through it. For someone like me, it more realistically takes about a month or two. That's a month or two of not being able to touch the expansion if I bought it now due to extreme hype. But if I haven't bought the expansion now, I could just take my time and buy it when I need it.

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Originally Posted by Nayal

http://i1.wp.com/gearnuke.com/wp-con...size=798%2C350 want this to be done tomorrow .I really couldn't care less about the quality of the game

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And this is... related how?

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

And this is... related how?

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After 87 pages you really expect new, relavent and innovative things to be added to the discussion?

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

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Stop whining about this please or our expansions will go from Chains of Promathia (excellent) with heavily gated content behind important story developments to Treasures of Aht Urghan (mediocre) which anyone could do with a Level 30 job. I get some people don't like story driven content, which is cool cause you can skip said cut scenes. Content tied to lore and purpose is better than content for the sake of content that you can access for no particular reason.

i think asking to be able to enter HW without even do the story is a bit....meh... outside the fact that it will recquire a i90 gears (more i100 actually) for be able to start into the expansion. nor the fact that story wise is a nonsense to be able to enter ishgard without the setup of the MSQ.

yeah, other mmorpg do differently, but that the point each game is different. no game outside FF14 can offer this amount of content added every 3 month. none! FF14 is unique, the fact to decide to still stick to the story is also part of what make the game an unique experience.

do them choice is right or bad? up to each to decide this, but it's at least a choice that make the world of FF14 more attractive, because the world expand soo much that no other mmorpg can say the same. and at the same time, it means everyone into Heavensward have seen the whole msq, not simply a part like with wow where people can simply ignore a large part of the story and jump directly into a world that have no sense because they have miss the last add. like with lich king, a player can go into northrend, but the story have no more link with the world since cataclysm! .... here at least the world stay coherent.

if that continue before the third expansion, the world of FF14 will surpass the one of WoW quite easily and the most scary about this.... is the fact we are still on Eorzea the smallest continent of the planet! and you have 3 continent!!!!!

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

After 87 pages you really expect new, relavent and innovative things to be added to the discussion?

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I don't know, at least try to stay relevant?

As it stands, I'm currently a minority, but I still try to share my sentiments and empathize with TC's frustration and disappointment of not being able to enter Ishgard on launch day.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

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I removed that after noticing your post farther down.
As for me I've got 3 separate characters, all done the MSQ. One of them is a crafter as well as dps. I hate pvp. I have a RL professional career.

I play WoW, Rift, EVE Online and SWTOR. Games are my break from reality.

Obviously one of us likes stories more than the other. Your loss :cool:

By the way on Oct 27th 2014 when you made your first forum post about alchemy, you had a level 35 healer. That's a far stretch from 4 months ago.

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

By the way on Oct 27th 2014 when you made your first forum post about alchemy, you had a level 35 healer. That's a far stretch from 4 months ago.

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Probably not four consecutive months, just four months in total *shrug*

OT: Even if I had not done the content I would still be FOR the gating. All the content in 2.0 is going to be far easier now (story-wise) anyway. It's not going to take too much time. My wife plays this and is currently unable to go to the new areas. We know it won't be long as the content is now going to be far, far easier without level sync.

No. Do the story...you've had..what? like at the very least 5 months to finish the story in order to be prepared for heavensward, this has been a requirement since the expansion has been released.

Even if you absolutely LOATHE the story content that much then skip the cutscenes, press that left mouse button like crazy to skip the dialogue, unlock the handful of dungeons and trials along the way ask your fc to help or some friends or someone in shout chat.

I was never particularly fond of the main questline myself because 2.0 was so...hit and miss but i eventually started doing it over 2 and a half months ago and finished it..within like 2 months just doing it casually and i have to say its an epic storyline
Now i get not everyone will have the same tastes as me, but it's a REQUIREMENT i don't think ive ever seen ffxiv change its requirements for anything before (sure they've nerfed content here and there but thats not really changing the requirements to unlock content). On top of that as far as i know a lot of stuff was locked behind 2.0 completion, so it would only make sense that HW content is locked behind 2.55 stuff

In response to just the OP, I agree that there should be alternate ways to get to the Ishgard content. The OP stated that this is a themepark MMO with multiple play styles encouraged therefore it's only fitting that multiple ways to approach the content be provided.

There were plenty of excellent examples of gated content in FFXI that used challenging side-quests to help with further access much like when a player farmed for items to get into Aht Urhgan, or had to run the Maw Maze for Wings of the Goddess in FFXI. There are many ways to gate exclusive content while still providing basic accessibility of the core functions of the game.

Many players who care about this game tend to think critically about the game in order to see its quality of life improve. Please consider addressing this if possible.

This topic is still pretty relevant, but I wish you didn't bump a months-old (AKA Necro) topic, Muin. c:

I think SE can still change this retroactively and let level 30's in to get their quest done. We've seen from the quests how most of them don't even revolve around ishgardian areas (most of them just treat them as a hub you run back to.) - these points could easily be moved or we could be given a way in outside the current story.

Heck, if you're worried about "THUH STORIES NTEGRITY" like people claim, just do what they do with DRG, and have the story say you got in after. Different time periods. Anyone who can defend the DRG disconnect 30-50 for someone who's completed 60 MSQ can't argue against ungating the content for level 30's to unloick new jobs they paid for.

Really lets bump something old jeez i have two characters and i beat the main story with both and unlocked flying with both and? if ppl like me can do this i don't see why someone can't just do it once and don't use oooo but i manly craft. I craft and gather as well :P