Pulling During Cutscene

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not a risk. In terms of how "against the ToS" that is, it's basically like saying "sorry, got a phone call" after the tank and DPS die. If the intent of your brief non-participation isn't to grief your team then you're fine.

If helping the tank make the new player feel uncomfortable is what you signed up for, then do your thing. Don't perpetuate the self-serving lie that deciding to wait for the new player is against the ToS, though, because it's not.

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Goji, choosing to not participate is griefing the people who did. It's not the same as getting a phone call. You are CHOOSING to not participate to make yourself feel better, because you want to assure yourself that you're somehow better than these "self-serving" people who did.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

So you will lie. Shows all I need to know about your character

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Lie about what?

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Goji, choosing to not participate is griefing the people who did. It's not the same as getting a phone call. You are CHOOSING to not participate to make yourself feel better.

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Umm, me answering my phone is me choosing not to participate. It's fine, though, because the intention of my choice to not participate wasn't to grief my team.

It's the same with the cut scene; if your intention is only to wait until everyone is ready. Like, for instance, if you're in an EX raid and half a ready check doesn't pass, but a DPS runs in and pulls the boss anyways. No one's obligated to run in with him.

Hate to break it to you guys, but griefing is likely very common in this game. As long as there is no actual admission in chat to doing such, or just blatantly doing so, it might as well be non-actionable. It's not against the ToS to go afk, and that's a good thing, because what if you actually have an emergency, and the next thing you find out you have a permanent strike on your account and a 10 day suspension?

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Originally Posted by Trobon

Now who’s gaslighting? Goji never said they would lie about a phone call. They said it’s no different than if you got a phone call. By the way disparaging another poster because they disagree with you is rude. Don’t forget that.

There is nothing in the TOS about failure to participate. If there is then please point it out. Further waiting for the whole team to be ready before participating is not griefing. Abuse of the report function however is. So feel free to risk your accounts reporting those people.

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Should I show u my own ban message for failing to participate because of waiting for someone? Yes they did claim to make an excuse for not participating. Thought you were done with this thread trobon? Didn’t last long

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Should I show u my own ban message for failing to participate because of waiting for someone? Yes they did claim to make an excuse for not participating. Thought you were done with this thread trobon? Didn’t last long

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Yeah go ahead. Show me that ban message. I’d really love to see it. Especially where it says because you waited for someone. Also I thought you were against being rude on this thread, guess we both said things we didn’t end up following.

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Originally Posted by Trobon

Yeah go ahead. Show me that ban message. I’d really love to see it. Especially where it says because you waited for someone. Also I thought you were against being rude on this thread, guess we both said things we didn’t end up following.

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Its not rude because it is something that you disagree with. Tell me how to show you. How to put screen shot from ps5 to here?

I didn't read any of the actual conversation that was going on in this thread, but if someone were to state in chat they weren't participating to "wait" for someone, it may have been viewed by the GM as:

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3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

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That goes over what I stated in my last post about using the chat function.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I didn't read any of the actual conversation that was going on in this thread, but if someone were to state in chat they weren't participating to "wait" for someone, it may have been viewed by the GM as:



That goes over what I stated in my last post about using the chat function.

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I mean I guess if waiting for someone to join the fight is reportable under that then pulling while someone is in a cutscene would be too since that is disrupting their experience. If people want to go down that rabbit hole then I guess we’re going to be in a report everyone system where if anyone ever admits to pulling early or not joining in chat they will get reported.

Seems like the only solution is unskippable cutscenes in all content. Then no one has to be reported.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I didn't read any of the actual conversation that was going on in this thread, but if someone were to state in chat they weren't participating to "wait" for someone, it may have been viewed by the GM as:



That goes over what I stated in my last post about using the chat function.

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Thing is that there's implied intent to be disruptive behind a rule like this that isn't stated in the rule. Someone going AFK to answer a phone; check on their child; etc., is technically disrupting every other person in the group. There's no intent to be disruptive there, though, like there's no intent to be disruptive when you're simply waiting for someone.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I didn't read any of the actual conversation that was going on in this thread, but if someone were to state in chat they weren't participating to "wait" for someone, it may have been viewed by the GM as:



That goes over what I stated in my last post about using the chat function.

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3.2 is precisely what my ban notice says