Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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No it did not. That is also irrelevant to this discussion.
Again, I disagree with your opinion, as the artwork in question was not of a child male viera.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

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The user's twitter feed is irrelevant to this discussion. It seems to me that Theodric is trying to redirect this discussion to something else that has no relevance to the adult male viera artwork I had posted.

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Originally Posted by Senn

No it did not. That is also irrelevant to this discussion.
Again, I disagree with your opinion, as the artwork in question was not of a child male viera.

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It may not be, but it sure looks like a child to me.

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Originally Posted by StrongBear

It may not be, but it sure looks like a child to me.

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I disagree. To me, it looks like the twitter user was taking the female viera's rabbit-like facial structure into account for their own model. Many of the other races including Hyur, Elezen, Miqote, and so on do offer a softer face as an option in the character creator. If male viera is implemented into the game, I would like a softer face similar to the model I had posted earlier as one of the options.

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Originally Posted by StrongBear

It may not be, but it sure looks like a child to me.

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Tall as the females and muscles on the body. Where exactly does it look like a child? And the other one with just the face clearly is also no child. The facial structures are not one of a child and you can already see with the neck and part of the shoulders that they would be too wide to be childlike. You can also see that this face is similiar to the other full body picture which the artist called male Viera. (On the left is female, right is male) And if you watch the twitter you will notice that this is just her artstyle.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Tall as the females and muscles on the body. Where exactly does it look like a child? And the other one with just the face clearly is also no child. The facial structures are not one of a child and you can already see with the neck and part of the shoulders that they would be too wide to be childlike. You can also see that this face is similiar to the other full body picture which the artist called male Viera. (On the left is female, right is male) And if you watch the twitter you will notice that this is just her artstyle.

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I agree with all your points here. The artwork, although not buff and masculine, was clearly of an adult male viera drawn in an anime style.

I would like to add that, yes, the artwork in the twitter user's feed is drawn in anime style. Although it is not as masculine as some of the posters here would prefer, they are by no means children.

Once again, the user's twitter feed is irrelevant to this discussion. I do not know why it was brought up. Because it was so irrelevant to the topic, I cant help but suspect it was a thinly veiled attempt at slandering me, and an attempt to redirect the discussion to an undesirable and uncomfortable place.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Tall as the females and muscles on the body. Where exactly does it look like a child? And the other one with just the face clearly is also no child. The facial structures are not one of a child and you can already see with the neck and part of the shoulders that they would be too wide to be childlike. You can also see that this face is similiar to the other full body picture which the artist called male Viera. (On the left is female, right is male) And if you watch the twitter you will notice that this is just her artstyle.

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I personally don't think it looks like a child, but I do think the art resembles that of a young Viera that has yet to lose their 'puppy fat' - also it's in a very anime-like style, so that also doesn't help as most adults in certain anime styles come across as looking younger than what they originally are. So, it's just semantics at this point.

I'm more than happy to settle that the face is that of a young male Viera who hasn't yet mastered the wood, or has and they're just extremely young and have yet to gain the 'one thousand mile stare' along with 'resting b*tch* that the Viera race is known for.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I'm more than happy to settle that the face is that of a young male Viera who hasn't yet mastered the wood, or has and they're just extremely young and have yet to gain the 'one thousand mile stare' along with 'resting b*tch* that the Viera race is known for.

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Viera have very long life spans, and also seem to age slower. I think a softer looking face option, similar to the model I suggested, would be a nice face option. A male viera like that comes across as a youthful looking man, but an adult nonetheless.

Of course, like I said before, I think there should be a variety of options that will suit people's preferences such as an older appearance, a more rugged appearance, and so on. These face options would be no different from what we already have available in the game. For example, Hyur, Elezen, and Miqo'te do have options for a softer looking face.

Eden Spoilers:

I think the physique of the final boss could work well for a rugged, fierce defender of the forest.

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Originally Posted by alacruxe

(...)I really want to see other people take a shot at it, which was one of the things I was aiming for in making the post in the first place. I'm a little disappointed nobody else has posted their tries, because I'm still interested to see.(...)

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I know I'm late for this, but when I saw your post before, I did not post nothing because this thread is full with screenshots of my character (And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I was the first person who tried the "super mario" mustache on a viera). You can see my posts here:

first attempt: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...34#post5026334
current appearance: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...76#post5056276
current appearance 2: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...17#post5070417
EDIT: I forgot this one http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post5062503

I'm working on a drawing too, but it's not finished yet (I was on Praetorium, I was really bored. Maybe i will finish this at next Praetorium run)

While I would prefer slightly smaller biceps on the male viera model, I do think that, realistically, they will be around the same size as elezen's biceps. So I found a picture that I think best resembles that. I really like this body type as well since it's slim but also fit.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DydTwkWUYAAdlwl.jpg:large
art by twitter user: @omio_5959
While I didn't see anything inappropriate on their dash after a quick glance, perhaps I still shouldn't link. However, I do encourage people to give this artist the time of day and check out more of their art on twitter.

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Originally Posted by Senn

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I liked this one. This is the body I imagine for a male viera

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Originally Posted by Senn

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I like this art, I could get behind it. Nice biceps, nice developed abdomen area. And of course the hair.

I'm glad to see some posters are coming around to the idea of viera men not having rabbit inspired facial features.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm glad to see some posters are coming around to the idea of viera men not having rabbit inspired facial features.

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Oh, you must be confused. In my post, I was specifically talking about their body type. I know it's difficult to read.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Oh, you must be confused. In my post, I was specifically talking about their body type. I know it's difficult to read.

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Yeah, it's hard to keep track of what some posters are pushing for with so many conflicting stances!

Buff Urianger will shine the way forward.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yeah, it's hard to keep track of what some posters are pushing for with so many conflicting stances!

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I disagree, my stances are not conflicting. It was clear I was referring to the biceps and the body type of the picture. Not their face.

To clarify, since you seem very confused, I do think male viera should have a face with a rabbit-like structure. I do not think a "classically handsome" face would be suitable to male viera.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I do not think a "classically handsome" face would be suitable to male viera.

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That's fine. I think Yoshi-P will design the men to have classically handsome facial options since the women have conventionally attractive facial options to available to them. I think the men may have some tufts of fur as a customisation option, though - and perhaps some neat exclusive facial hair designs as well. I know it's been a common suggestion for more scars, tattoos and facial hair to be added to the character creation so it'd help address that request.

At any rate, at least we know that they will likely resemble adults due to Yoshi-P's statement. After all, he did say that Viera won't adhere to a child-like aesthetic and that they wouldn't be based off of Alphinaud either. Which is what a lot of the suggestions put forward resemble!

What does a rabbit like face even entail in this context? If it's some chinless, buck-toothed wonder, I somehow doubt that'll fit within the rubric of "handsome". I certainly don't think the artwork that was posted earlier could be considered handsome, as well drawn as it may be.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

What does a rabbit like face even entail in this context? If it's some chinless, buck-toothed wonder, I somehow doubt that'll fit within the rubric of "handsome". I certainly don't think the artwork that was posted earlier could be considered handsome, as well drawn as it may be.

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I think it would be something very subtle, along these lines:

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Originally Posted by Senn

https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con.../04/Viera1.jpg

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After all, female viera aren't hugely 'rabbit like' in their design. It's very subdued. Much like Miqo'te, they're more Hyur with very slight animal features tacked on. Hrothgar are more animal-like - and even Raen/Xaela men can be described as such in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's fine. I think Yoshi-P will design the men to have classically handsome facial options

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I disagree, as the concept art shows male viera with a rabbit-like, or miqo'te-esque, facial structure.
Please take a closer look at this image:
https://i.imgur.com/VnUqbow.png

"We would have to use our own imagination for that. There was fear about how we would approach that. Perhaps an elezen body with a miqo’te face and bunny ears."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...8GTvPw4uI/edit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGezcBuu-mc

Judging by both Yoshida's words and all of the other concept art, including the one in my post, it seems like a rabbit-like facial structure, or a miqo'te-esque face, is the most likely route they will take with male viera. By looking at the rabbit-like facial structures the females have, we can make an educated guess as to how the males will look.

Of course, it's too soon to say anything with certainty. However, I am simply speculating this is the most likely outcome if male viera are to be added.

In my personal opinion, a "classically handsome" face would not be suitable.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

What does a rabbit like face even entail in this context?

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Something similar to a male miqo'te's face. In addition, the nose would look similar to the female's - more rabbit-like.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Male Miqo'te are designed to be classically handsome, so I'm glad to see we're on the same page. :)

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I disagree. You showed a picture before to explain what you meant by "classically handsome" - it was a western view of masculinity - and also human. Male miqo'te are not that.

The phrase "classically handsome" implies there would be typical features one would associate with being handsome. However, viera are not typical, as they are not human/hyur to begin with. Viera are not human/hyur, and there is nothing "typical" or "classic" about their facial structure if you take a look at the concept art.

Male Miqo'te are designed to be classically handsome, so I'm glad to see we're on the same page. :)

I do believe that the male Viera will have something similar in regards to leporine features. Hares, not rabbits - though obviously close enough. Anyway, the turn up of the nose is a given. I don't see any other reason why they should have anything that is more leporine like. Hares aren't all that cute anyway. I'm curious about their facial hair, I really want them to be one of the first that has decent beards? Like beards with braids. Something nordic, to go with the Icelandic voices they have.

Miqo’te influences are fairly subtle and they have a classically handsome option in the dad face. I don’t mind subtle influences and with miqo’te it’s a nod in the feline direction more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm glad to see some posters are coming around to the idea of viera men not having rabbit inspired facial features.

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A little late but hey whatever.

The made the female Viera way more human looking. The are suppose to have claw hands and feets with more bunny faces but they leaned away from that because.......sex sells I guess.

Y'all are killing me with this child vs adult debate, slim body vs toned body vs muscular body.
You all get Hrothgar in GS bunny ears and you'll like it.

I don't think Hrothgar's body type suits male Viera at all. It was also strange that they based their body off of Roegadyn when in FFX they seem more similar to Au Ra/Highlander (Khimari at least). I still think a good solution would be to have different body types for Veena and Rava while still sharing similarities in their faces.

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

I don't think Hrothgar's body type suits male Viera at all. It was also strange that they based their body off of Roegadyn when in FFX they seem more similar to Au Ra/Highlander (Khimari at least). I still think a good solution would be to have different body types for Veena and Rava while still sharing similarities in their faces.

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Two body types would be effectively 2 new races. SE would have to create and fit everything to 2 body types, and if you do that for both genders, we are talking about effectively 4 races here. Implausible, so no, it wouldn't be a good solution. Being that they didn't include the other genders for these reasons.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

What does a rabbit like face even entail in this context? If it's some chinless, buck-toothed wonder, I somehow doubt that'll fit within the rubric of "handsome". I certainly don't think the artwork that was posted earlier could be considered handsome, as well drawn as it may be.

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The females look like humans at first glance, the only 'rabbit-like' features are the nose to an extent (the tip) and the position of the mouth to the nose.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Eden Spoilers:

I think the physique of the final boss could work well for a rugged, fierce defender of the forest.

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Would definitely work!

When he takes his armor (transforms his drills and stuff into a cart) off he looks like a pacific islander warrior, really cool.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I disagree. To me, it looks like the twitter user was taking the female viera's rabbit-like facial structure into account for their own model. Many of the other races including Hyur, Elezen, Miqote, and so on do offer a softer face as an option in the character creator. If male viera is implemented into the game, I would like a softer face similar to the model I had posted earlier as one of the options.

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Yeah, I'm just not seeing the rabbit like features at all even in the 3d model. It just looks like a 15 y/o face at best. I am talking about the actual model, not the art. So it being an adult and it being "just the artstyle" has no bearing. Looks good for a male viera before they leave for the wood, or right when they leave (After puberty)! Great concept for a viera if we see one in the game that is around Alphinaud/Alisaie's age range!

This one. It can't be confused with artstyle since it is a 3d render. I definitely do not see any rabbit-like features in the face.

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Originally Posted by Senn

The person who drew that is also working on a 3D model of their character, which I thought looked really nice.
I already posted it before, but since you're asking...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D94N8SkWsAAouXb.png
model by twitter user: @gIue_stick

It's obviously not done yet, but this is what this particular face would look like in 3D. I would like to have something like this as a face option. The model is based off the drawing I think.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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I disagree.

"The model I showed is not finished yet. From what I understand, the twitter user creating this model is observing the facial structure of the female viera, or rather the rabbit-like structure of their faces, and translating that onto their own model. One thing this user could improve upon is making their nose more rabbit like, but otherwise, I think something like this would be a great face option."

The face is similar to that of miqo'te.

It is very likely that the male viera face will look similar to male miqo'tes face, or have rabbit-like features. The concept art I showed before furthers that point, but I will present another art piece from the other concept art to further this point even more:
https://i.imgur.com/vnseJo5.png

You can compare this to the male miqo'te concept art
https://i.imgur.com/hSfwu2L.png

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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Yeah! I almost wiped on the fight because I was picturing him with bunny ears and thinking 'wow, this would fit so well!'.

It's also pretty close to some of the concept art for male viera, so I think that's another reason it'd work nicely.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I disagree.

"The model I showed is not finished yet. From what I understand, the twitter user creating this model is observing the facial structure of the female viera, or rather the rabbit-like structure of their faces, and translating that onto their own model. One thing this user could improve upon is making their nose more rabbit like, but otherwise, I think something like this would be a great face option."

The face is similar to that of miqo'te.

It is very likely that the male viera face will look similar to male miqo'tes face, or have rabbit-like features. The concept art I showed before furthers that point, but I will present another art piece from the other concept art to further this point even more:
https://i.imgur.com/vnseJo5.png

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I am not talking about in general if male viera will have 'rabbit-like' features, I am talking about that specific render, and it just looks like a young teenager with rabbit ears on his head. He even has the hairstyle every kid had back in 2008. It might be unfinished, but they would have to change it drastically to add actual 'rabbit-like' features. Of course if male viera actually came out they would probably have features similar to that of the females, 'rabbit-like' nose/mouth. That's a given.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yeah! I almost wiped on the fight because I was picturing him with bunny ears and thinking 'wow, this would fit so well!'.

It's also pretty close to some of the concept art for male viera, so I think that's another reason it'd work nicely.

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We DID wipe on the fight. We were not expecting a lot of what happened..

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I am not talking about in general if male viera will have 'rabbit-like' features, I am talking about that specific render, and it just looks like a young teenager with rabbit ears on his head.

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I disagree. As Alleo had mentioned before, we also have to understand the japanese can have a different view on what handsome means. Yoshida mentioned they would be slim, elegant, and handsome, and the concepts show this quite clearly. Yoshida muses on about how the male viera face would look - similar to that of male miqo'te. The concept art shows this as well. I suppose the face is not handsome by western standards, but it is a handsome, adult male face by another culture's standards.

The model I presented looks similar to that of the concept art above.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

He even has the hairstyle every kid had back in 2008

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The twitter user mentioned they were using Aymeric's hair as a base. The hair will probably look different on the completed model.

I'm confused, I thought the Japanese version of beauty was more akin to that of the Elezen, while Miqo'te is more western? Are they not the slimmest, elegant and subjectively the most handsome race - as is the case with most MMO/RPGs and elves. I have high doubts they'd be using a miqo'te facial model, they're too round. For one of them maybe, as it the case with most of the races, of course. Most folks associate a round face to that of youth - and thus we have the phrase 'baby face'.

Anyway, I decided to try Elezen out once more, and while covering then neck with some of the glamour they're not too bad. Very elegant, very attractive looking and of course, tall. I could get used to this.

Note; I was also of the mind that in terms of biology Japanese are much more likely to have higher cheekbones and straight/pronounced jaws line.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I'm confused, I thought the Japanese version of beauty was more akin to that of the Elezen, while Miqo'te is more western?

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To me, the elezen facial structure is handsome by western standards. It's very regal.
Miqo'tes face does not seem western to me. It comes off as more... anime, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

While they could go for the Miqo'te face, then I'd have to ask why both of the 'animalistic' races are overly similar, more so than they should be. I don't think it'd be that wise of a choice. They'd already be 'close' as is - why make them even closer, you know?

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I suppose their face/head shape would be similar, but there is enough to differentiate these two races such as viera's rabbit like nose, height, pose, and so on. I wouldn't necessarily say this is an unwise choice, as female viera seem to be doing very well at the moment. I do realize that this number may go down over time, but regardless, I believe female viera will still be one of the popular picks.

Speaking of anime, I think Erwin Smith from Attack on Titan would be great as a base model for what male viera could look like:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b82aa2a7...ao1_r3_540.gif

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Originally Posted by Senn

To me, the elezen facial structure is handsome by western standards. It's very regal.
Miqo'tes face does not seem western to me. It comes off as more... anime, honestly.

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Ah, I suppose it may be due to location as well. I'm a lot more used to seeing males who have Miqo'te like faces where I'm from. But that's just a way of diet and lifestyle. Anyway, while they could go for the Miqo'te face, then I'd have to ask why both of the 'animalistic' races are overly similar, more so than they should be. I don't think it'd be that wise of a choice. They'd already be 'close' as is - why make them even closer, you know?

I support there being playable male and female options of all races. I thought that Yoshi-P had committed to that, so I was really shocked when the Viera and Hrothgar announcements came out. I have been a Miqote since launch, and male Viera was the only race option I might have changed for. Alas.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I know I'm late for this, but when I saw your post before, I did not post nothing because this thread is full with screenshots of my character (And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I was the first person who tried the "super mario" mustache on a viera). You can see my posts here:

first attempt: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...34#post5026334
current appearance: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...76#post5056276
current appearance 2: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...17#post5070417
EDIT: I forgot this one http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post5062503

I'm working on a drawing too, but it's not finished yet (I was on Praetorium, I was really bored. Maybe i will finish this at next Praetorium run)

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I love these! Doing the thicker eyebrows really helped make the face look more masculine.

I should actually post some screenshots of my other character (I have two actually, just only posted the one). Maybe do a draw-over for him, too. Honestly I feel like he looks more masculine than Jona (pink-haired bun) anyway, so people might be a bit more receptive.

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Originally Posted by alacruxe

I love these! Doing the thicker eyebrows really helped make the face look more masculine.

I should actually post some screenshots of my other character (I have two actually, just only posted the one). Maybe do a draw-over for him, too. Honestly I feel like he looks more masculine than Jona (pink-haired bun) anyway, so people might be a bit more receptive.

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I would love to see the another one. If I can told you a tip, try to use lipstick to "fade off" the lips. Even with the option "none" on lipstick, the girls lips on this game is very demarcated (for example, compare on this post here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...01#post4995401 the miqo'te's and viera's lips. I used this trick on my "male viera". If you see, the lips are faded (you can see my current lips here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/385710-Male-Viera-as-a-playable-character%21-show-your-support?p=5026334#post5026334).
Another trick is to faded the Rava's cheeks. Girls in this game have shine cheeks. I don't have one example for this, it depends of the skin tone and it will be a very, very, very small change , but if you notice that the cheeks of your viera are too shine, try to put the blush with options "light" and "black" color (this will not be able if you use the eyebrows trick, because they are in the same option).
It's very small changes, but it will be the diference