[dev1008] About Jumping

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Originally Posted by Nephera

Besides if someone is jump spamming you can just

A) go away
B) look away
C) report them for harassment if they are jump spamming AT you and following you around

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Or don't have a jump in the first place, hence A,B and C are not needed and GM's can focus on more imporant things than reports about jump spamming.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

Or don't have a jump in the first place, hence A,B and C are not needed and GM's can focus on more imporant things than reports about jump spamming.

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by that logic i could say lets not have emotes at all for the same reason.

If I miss any other people post, excuse me but if you can only jump on cliff like FFXIII then there won't be spamming jumping on top of a person's head. And everyone is happy!!!

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

If only 20% of the players were interested in a jump feature, I doubt it would be tabled by Yoshi-P for examination or spawn a heated 80 page debate.

Or do you mean 80% of players don't want to see bunny-hopping?

Either way, where do these figures come from?

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I meant the non-stop spamming of jump.

Where do these figures come from? they come from a "Guess." Notice how I said "I'd guess... derp a guess is not a fact. I'd guess I am probably accurate. Too bad people don't think or read before they type. I suggested a stepping feature as a viable alternative to Xbob's continued desire to spam jump like a tard, while flaming me for disliking it.

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Originally Posted by BadJoeRed

I meant the non-stop spamming of jump.

Where do these figures come from? they come from a "Guess." Notice how I said "I'd guess... derp a guess is not a fact. I'd guess I am probably accurate. Too bad people don't think or read before they type. I suggested a stepping feature as a viable alternative to Xbob's continued desire to spam jump like a tard, while flaming me for disliking it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txWUM-3q-0s

I'd make a video just like that due to your hatred of jumping alone!

Jump would be so nice... If you hadn't noticed yet, FFXIVs terrain is not as flat as FFXIs. I think this game was meant to have jump. I think some of the people that are against jump because "people will be spamming it and the game will look retarded blah blah blah" is because they think SE is gonna give us some lame HALO type jump lol where people are flying all over like their on the moon. SE wont do that i don't think. I bet if they do give us jump it'll be a bare minimum needed to get over terrain ledges.

Bottom line: I would love jump SE^^ please please please give us jump <3 <3 <3

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

Jumping. In a game. Makes you 14ish.

Your ideas of maturity, of age, of what constitutes the foundation of entertainment, all seem to be based around some strange idea that everything has to be "super serious."

Wouldn't want to break all that immersion while you're being killed by a tiny doll-like cactus.

Your argument isn't an argument. It's simply elitism in the most petty, incomprehensible, self-centered, childish way.

Get over yourself.

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I love you.
I gotta say i'm shocked at the arguments against jumping, Just implement jumping! In a week of it being there the people against will realize.... hey wait..... wow that was easy to get over that ledge.... this is kinda cool.... For those people worrying about falling through the floor and all sorts of coding errors and how it will look and stuff, dont worry about it, it's not your job. One of the only good things in FF XIV is the character movement. This game needs a jump.

Coyote you have created a monster

Add WoW jump the day the server comes back up so I can see tons of people QQ.

lol, I'm an "elitist in an incomprehensible, self-centered, and childish way" for saying I don't want wow jump spam. Thanks though for the elitist compliment.

Never argue with idiots on the internet. Eventually, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Originally Posted by BadJoeRed

lol, I'm an "elitist in an incomprehensible, self-centered, and childish way" for saying I don't want wow jump spam. Thanks though for the elitist compliment.

Never argue with idiots on the internet. Eventually, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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You want to worsen my game experience, something practical and useful, because you don't want to see people jumping.

That is absurd. That is ludicrous. But I wouldn't expect anything less than insanity from someone who clearly lives and breathes the game in its current form.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

You want to worsen my game experience, something practical and useful, because you don't want to see people jumping.

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He technically isn't ruining your game experience because jump or content requiring its implementation hasn't been added yet. If anything, you run the possibility of "ruining" his already existent one by asking for the feature

Not agreeing with him or condoning his post. Just some food for thought.

I've pretty much settled on "if there's stuff that requires my jumping, by all means add it. If there are other ways around any issues, then don't."

rift has a neat ability i've seen where you click a skill and select a landing area and it'll launch you towards that area, its meant to be used as a bull rush for tanks but i've seen it used in platforming, perhaps we could use that for jumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FJNkvNuG3Q#t=4m45s Here's an example, around 4m 45s ( link should auto put you there)

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

He technically isn't ruining your game experience because jump or content requiring its implementation hasn't been added yet. If anything, you run the possibility of "ruining" his already existent one by asking for the feature

Not agreeing with him or condoning his post. Just some food for thought.

I've pretty much settled on "if there's stuff that requires my jumping, by all means add it. If there are other ways around any issues, then don't."

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The content that requires jumping is already there, all those tiny little fences, itty bitty cliffs and amazingly annoying inch-high bricks found all throughout eorzea, that by all rights you should be able to step over, let alone jump...

they should just add jump in a way so it fits to lala and all other races in an appropriate way (with downtime so nobody abuses it and perhaps automated nice animated version for cliffs, bit bigger distances and such).

I bet the ppl who like jump are happy and the ppl who don't won't be pissed about it (at least not for long). Since its only a bit of more immersion into the 3D world.

I dont think ive seen someone quit a game cause there was a jump feature, but i think ppl quit if they feel restricted too much. And honestly, if ppl leave because of a jump feature its an excuse for leaving something they don't like anyways :)

Perhaps some are wow spoiled (never really tried it) but the mmos i played so far where you CAN jump, ppl use it not very often, and depending on how its animated its not annoying as well.

And some ppl started jumping in games so they prevent auto-logout due to afk (which ff doenst have).

The few ppl who DO jump in an annoying way, will , if ignored, give up fast and after a while it will be used as a way of evading little cliffs, bigger rocks, trash on the ground... and well thats it.

The only other way that would make things feel more immerse would be automated animation to climb up or down, make bigger steps over stones, etc. but that would need much more development not to feel clunky...

(swimming is a different story since that is imo a great feature if used for story, underwater realms and such, but thats another story, so like most functions... if done right, it makes things richer, if you dont like it, dont do it)


Oh and: seeing ppl useing the laugh emote or the clap emote all over? that really has no practical use (which jumping can have) is better then?

I think in an mmo you just have to accept other ppl as long as they dont offend you. That makes a game much more fun. Be a bit more tollerant, or play a single player game. there are so many things that ppl could complain about. I dont like the fact every female character looks like a hostess.. but some ppl love it... its their way of dressing so WHAT? other ppl dress in pink which i think is ugly, but thats just me, so WHAT?... get my poin? :D

Bigger things have to be discussed, this is just another feature ppl CAN do if they feel like it.

A button jump is not needed. A ledge jump (such as what is found in 13 and LoZ) would be more acceptable for numerous reasons. 1) It couldn't be spammed. 2) It could only be used where needed. 3) It would have no effect on battle at all. 4) It wouldn't lag the entire game because there wouldn't be a whole team of people jumping around for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

A button jump is not needed. A ledge jump (such as what is found in 13 and LoZ) would be more acceptable for numerous reasons. 1) It couldn't be spammed. 2) It could only be used where needed. 3) It would have no effect on battle at all. 4) It wouldn't lag the entire game because there wouldn't be a whole team of people jumping around for no reason.

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1) Who cares if it could be spammed? Besides really, really anal weirdos on this forum and this forum alone and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD? 2) Yay! Limit us! 3) Jumping almost never has any affect on battle in MMOs. 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game, and if it does you've done a horrible, horrible job making a game.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

3) 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game...

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It would probably lag FFXIV... >.>

That's not a stab at you or jumping as much as it's my own passive-aggressive attitude towards SE handling everything server side... :(

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

1) Who cares if it could be spammed? Besides really, really anal weirdos on this forum and this forum alone and NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD? 2) Yay! Limit us! 3) Jumping almost never has any affect on battle in MMOs. 4) Jumping doesn't lag any game, and if it does you've done a horrible, horrible job making a game.

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1) It isn't just this forum. 2) Yes, limit us because it shouldn't be here in the first place. 3) Ever played WoW or PWI? What about RoM and Alloids? 4) Ever played a guild match in any PvP heavy game that has jump? During battle with 30+ characters on a screen, jumping will lag your game 90% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

It would probably lag FFXIV... >.>

That's not a stab at you or jumping as much as it's my own passive-aggressive attitude towards SE handling everything server side... :(

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Yep -- more than lag it would likely just be delayed.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

1) It isn't just this forum. 2) Yes, limit us because it shouldn't be here in the first place. 3) Ever played WoW or PWI? What about RoM and Alloids? 4) Ever played a guild match in any PvP heavy game that has jump? During battle with 30+ characters on a screen, jumping will lag your game 90% of the time.

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1) Yes it is, or some other FFXIV-dedicated forum full of nutcases. Take this stupid ass argument to any general MMO forum and be laughed off as an imbecile. Honestly.

2) Yes. Mighty heroes should never jump. I mean, it'd ruin the immersion! I can't even jump in real life!

3) Yes. I have. Let's take WoW for example... Jumping has no effect on combat, except breaking your spellcast, same as if you moved. It has no other battle potential. There are ABILITIES that can help, such as disengage, but they're not normal jumps. Just because people are jumping doesn't mean it DOES anything, in fact, it lessens the control you exert over your character because you're moving in a straight line with no Y or X-axis control for a second or so, with no increased speed.

4) Jumping doesn't lag the game in that case or in any other. My god man, what the hell are you on about? I'd think it's the battle with 30+ players and spell effects AND NOT THE JUMP.

Holy damn, the ineptitude of these arguments is pitiful.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

4) Jumping doesn't lag the game in that case or in any other. My god man, what the hell are you on about? I'd think it's the battle with 30+ players and spell effects AND NOT THE JUMP.

Holy damn, the ineptitude of these arguments is pitiful.

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S/he is referring to the fact the game's interface is all serverside (Malakhim mentioned, which SE confirmed even though it was already obvious xD) -- whereas most other MMOs are client side; So it would be a latency problem rather than lagging in certain instances -- e.g failure to execute or very slow execution which already happens in battles at times.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

S/he is referring to the fact the game's interface is all serverside (Malakhim mentioned, which SE confirmed even though it was already obvious xD) -- whereas most other MMOs are client side; So it would be a latency problem rather than lagging in certain instances -- e.g failure to execute or very slow execution which already happens in battles at times.

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If he were referring to FFXIV being serverside he wouldn't have made examples of MMOs with clientside interfaces as to why it shouldn't be added. It looks more like he has no clue what he is talking about and just really doesn't want jump added.

While I do agree that jump could potentially become annoying, I feel that the Final Fantasy community is more mature than other MMO communities and I don't think it would be as much of an issue as players think it would be. I'll be happy with whatever decision they make. I just wish people would be more open minded and more considerate of the opinions that other people have.

No...I know what I'm talking about. PWI (during PvP) players will spam a jump to not only avoid being hit but also to avoid being targeted in general. In WoW, large groups of jumping idiots will lag the game in terms of FPS, especially during combat. Same goes for RoM (which I still play).

As far as the FFXIV community being more mature, I doubt it. Been to FFXIVPRO lately? There is so much crying over x player getting x rank faster than y player on z job. This crying is then followed by y player's friends spamming bot and hack reports to GMs then spewing their jealously all over the forums of FFXIVPRO. Mature? I don't think so.

If they want jumping, don't put any type of PvP into the game. If they want PvP, don't put any form of free jump into the game.

As far as the overall community goes, I really do think the Final Fantasy community is the one I prefer. You can pick out obnoxious forums/people for any game, just like you can pick out a very mature community. Everyone thinks the WoW community is horrible, have you ever been to ElitistJerks? They are more mature there than on most forums, they ban you on the spot for making stupid comments or speculations of any sort.

Having played WoW in large PvP environments like raids on faction capitals and 40 vs 40 battlegrounds like Alterac Valley, even 5v5 arena or something like Warsong Gulch, I have never seen, even in a video, jumping causing FPS issues. If you are personally experiencing an FPS drop when people jump in an MMO like WoW, I am amazed that your computer can run FFXIV. If you can find a video that shows someone's FPS meter drop when people start to jump, you are more than welcome to share it with us. As far as using the jump mechanic to exploit targeting in something like PvP, if they do add jump, as long as they implement it correctly that will not even be an issue.

i don't need a jump, wasting a button on that... no thanks.


But i DO get annoyed when i have to walk around abjects that look low enough to be jumped over.
There simply should be a auto-jump feature that would take effect within a certain height tolerance.

Example: when walking against a low fence your character would automatically perform a jump and you would cross the obstacle without a slowdown.

This could be completely automated and adjusted with various parameters so you would not be able to auto-jump where you are not supposed to just as you can not walk where you are not supposed to.

Auto-jump is the solution. But not moon-gravity jump like World of Warcraft.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

If they want jumping, don't put any type of PvP into the game. If they want PvP, don't put any form of free jump into the game.

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"You are in combat, you cannot jump."

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

If you are in combat, you cannot jump.

Problem solved.

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Seriously this thread needs to end. Yoshi-P needs to come in here and settle it. 20,000 views with almost 850 posts? Mostly all of which nobody cares what the other thinks and just states their beliefs again. Just implement this stupid thing. Do what Nephera says and take away jump if you engage in combat. I don't see how this thread is just as important as other key points in this game where people are not satisfied....Are you really going to base your decision on either staying or leaving the game based on something as stupid as this? Grow the hell up.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Make it like Monster Hunter. Let me climb up a small ledge when it's in my way.

Definitely don't want people doing flips and hopping around everywhere though.

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Agreed. It would definitely be nice to not get stuck on any of these six inch to two foot high ledges. Whether it be in the form of a 'jump' or a 'climb' it would be a good idea to add something. I just really don't want to see people hopping through town and/or really dumb jump animations (or the lack of any animation after a character leaves the ground).

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Originally Posted by Kimahri

Seriously this thread needs to end. Yoshi-P needs to come in here and settle it. 20,000 views with almost 850 posts? Mostly all of which nobody cares what the other thinks and just states their beliefs again. Just implement this stupid thing. Do what Nephera says and take away jump if you engage in combat. I don't see how this thread is just as important as other key points in this game where people are not satisfied....Are you really going to base your decision on either staying or leaving the game based on something as stupid as this? Grow the hell up.

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When Kimahri is crying for a mercy kill you know this thread has gotten out of hand.

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Originally Posted by Kimahri

Seriously this thread needs to end. Yoshi-P needs to come in here and settle it. 20,000 views with almost 850 posts? Mostly all of which nobody cares what the other thinks and just states their beliefs again. Just implement this stupid thing. Do what Nephera says and take away jump if you engage in combat. I don't see how this thread is just as important as other key points in this game where people are not satisfied....Are you really going to base your decision on either staying or leaving the game based on something as stupid as this? Grow the hell up.

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Yes, just implement it without giving it more though and end up with a crappy update in hands.

Anyway. Jumping should be possible but as a Stamina based action that uses all your stamina as much as the possibility to climb over small elevations or dropping down from ledges. Like a "Press O to climb" or "Press O to drop down"

And I really think this game needs to allow the player the ability to die if one jumps off a high height as the reward for the smart idea of jumping off the cliff.

Llan Hana

Perhaps we need a Consolidated list of potential jumping implementations thread


again if we had polling it'd be great. :/

The idea is great for jumping over cliff, but there is one problem you have to think about SE have to deal with it during battle mode. See, if you attack a monster and jump over a cliff or down, will that monster jump also? Or does the monster have to go all the way around to get to you? That is the question. Let me know you guys thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Drakong

The idea is great for jumping over cliff, but there is one problem you have to think about SE have to deal with it during battle mode. See, if you attack a monster and jump over a cliff or down, will that monster jump also? Or does the monster have to go all the way around to get to you? That is the question. Let me know you guys thoughts.

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They do what they've always done... drop down and follow.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

They do what they've always done... drop down and follow.

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I don't know, FFXI works that way. But when I play FFXIV the monster goes all the way around to get to me when I attack them with range on a cliff or down.

Probably due to the invisible walls... that they are getting rid of. In the end it'll probably work like in XI.

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Originally Posted by Llan

Yes, just implement it without giving it more though and end up with a crappy update in hands.

Anyway. Jumping should be possible but as a Stamina based action that uses all your stamina as much as the possibility to climb over small elevations or dropping down from ledges. Like a "Press O to climb" or "Press O to drop down"

And I really think this game needs to allow the player the ability to die if one jumps off a high height as the reward for the smart idea of jumping off the cliff.

Llan Hana

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See? This is exactly what I said it comes down to. Everybody posting their idea's and not really caring about who thinks different. How about this. You say to implement it or not, and then let the professionals handle the rest? I'm sure that they've had more than enough information with 850 posts about the topic. Not to mention their respective list of references when it comes to hands-on experience in producing best seller video games.

I think they got the picture, grasshopper. Go jump on another thread leaf and make noise now.

Plus Yoshi-P already commented he knows the concerns of people not wanting 'WoW jumping" so yeah.

I for one does not have anything going against any MMO jumping or no jumping. As long as the game play is good and I can enjoy it. period...