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Originally Posted by Maeka

Because newbies don't know how to actually do that without a macro?

A Macro is a list of step-by-step instructions, and I'd be willing to bet that a large number of people using them have NO idea what those buttons actually do or why it works in the first place. They just click one or two buttons and boom, done. They have no actual idea of why the magic happens.

I myself dislike crafting macros for pretty much this reason. I've told myself I won't use them even if it means me not ever crafting a high-end product while it is current. I'd rather actually learn how the system actually works, so that when I make something, I can truly say that I made it, and not some random dude who told me what to push in what order.

I don't mind receiving advice, and then studying why the advice works, but I don't want a "Do this, then this, then this and then that to have it work every single time" ... kinda feels like it makes the entire system redundant. What's the point of those 40 some buttons when you can condense them all down into one or two macros?

Why not just get rid of the system altogether and make it "click button get thing if stats are good enough"? That's basically what we have with macros.

I would support making all craft actions non-macroable to be honest. Make it so that any ability from a DoH class cannot be used in a macro.

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Take away macro's you still have guides. Only one way to make people read abilites is to turn crafting into a game of whack a mole where knowledge and skill mean nothing. Depending on how proc's work that just might be what we get whack a mole crafting, I got a bad feeling that those who know the system will discover tomorrow what they know does not mean jack.

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

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I can see problem with having 3 proc's and that is rotations being developed around using only one proc. Prep touch or delicate synth with the right proc being abused will making hitting HQ no problem but we will see. Now that I thought of that, Now I am wondering if proc abuse will become a thing. :P

I guess I will NQ my crafters to 80.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Take away macro's you still have guides. Only one way to make people read abilites is to turn crafting into a game of whack a mole where knowledge and skill mean nothing. Depending on how proc's work that just might be what we get whack a mole crafting, I got a bad feeling that those who know the system will discover tomorrow what they know does not mean jack.

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Yeah but it forces you to actually learn what buttons you should be hitting, not "set them all into a macro once and forget about it". There is a difference.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Yeah but it forces you to actually learn what buttons you should be hitting, not "set them all into a macro once and forget about it". There is a difference.

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If you get 3 procs at a time rotations will be developed around abusing one proc. People will look at guides and just follow what it says without ever looking at what the abilities do. I am no expert at crafting but If I can find a flaw in having 3 proc's up then imagine what theory crafters can do. If they do have 3 proc's then they just removed macro's but still left a easy way to cheese HQ through proc abuse.

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

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There are a couple of proc based actions and they all proc at the same time. Which to me says proc abuse incoming unless SE has fixed it so only one action proc's at a time.

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

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Well you did say...

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That’s like saying you can 100% efficiently macro a Discerning Eye gathering rotation

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I was just providing evidence that it was possible to do that specific example.
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Though, I also happen to agree that it wouldn't work well for crafting.
But asauming skills could be skipped the same way, it would technically function...

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

I wonder though, if endgame crafting is actually just as Yoshida says it is, (likely) how will all of you feel? What’ll you do?

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Still do crafting, craft less often. I dislike proc-based classes anyway (Looking at you BRD/DNC)

I hope crafting rework will make scrip gear relevant for endgame crafting. So many beautiful sets and I have not used any since Ironworks gear came out...

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Originally Posted by Erendis

I hope crafting rework will make scrip gear relevant for endgame crafting. So many beautiful sets and I have not used any since Ironworks gear came out...

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That would actually be nice, but likely not going to happen.