American bashing?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

America is not a country. It is a pair of continents unless you specify north or south.

The United States is a country. Canada is a country. Mexico is a country. America is not.

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It's called the United States of America. Some people shorten the name to America. Sure, America can refer to the continents as well. Most people can figure it out from context. Just FYI

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Originally Posted by Fer

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Lol that's an awesome sig man..

Its no secret Americans are vocal, we say what we think and every one of us feels our opinions should matter. That's how we were raised though, to speak our minds and not hold back because of how others might react, I think with all the PC stuff going on in this country we have forgotten this somewhat, and are slowly becoming a very timid and silent nation.

We may be vocal, and sometimes annoying, but we are like this because we were told as children we have a right to our own belief's. That we should never be afraid to speak our minds. That comes with a lot of grief from less than mature people, but I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Originally Posted by Sunoske

I never meant to generalize anyone, if you read my post I'm asking why people do generalize American's for whining, or other things included in my post, not all of us do it. Not everyone in here is generalizing either, I don't understand why you posted if your not going to accurately read.

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Because you're whining.

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Originally Posted by arctic

Because you're whining.

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I don't see how asking a question is whining.

It's often easier to bash North American people because it's dominated by only 3 countries (Canada, United-States and Mexico), the rest being what I used to callCentral America (due to school and cultural differences). Considering US and Canada are mostly English-speaking people (at least as far as official language goes), it's very easy to put everyone in the same bag. Try that with Europe where you can travel across a few countries within the same day and official languages may vary greatly from a country to the next (Latin-based to Greek-based for instance).

More so, but this is only a personal guess, I'd say the amount of youngsters/job-less players is higher for North Americans, because computer hardware and Internet is easily and cheaply available. Not that these players are to blame, or that maturity can be calculated by age for that matter, but it does create a rather unique player pool with a lot of extremes. I'd go as far to say that North American player pool is one of the largest that is culturally similar enough. Therefore, you get more good people, but also more bad ones.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

America is not a country. It is a pair of continents unless you specify north or south.

The United States is a country. Canada is a country. Mexico is a country. America is not.

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Do you regularly hear Canadians and mexicans refer to themselves/called "Americans"? I certainly don't.

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Originally Posted by Sunoske

My question is why is it that people are generalizing us based on an encounter with someone who's more than likely 12?

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Because those 12 year olds will be representative of us in a couple of years and perhaps even comprise of the new majority and sadly not all of them will simply grow out of it. I hate to admit it but why does a generalization exist if it's not at least partially true in some way? Rather than pretend the flaws listed in the generalizations don't exist we should be proactively seeking to quash them.

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Originally Posted by Riko_113

as a generalization asians are racist as hell.

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Those damn Roegadyn... :mad: whoops...

(jk)

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Originally Posted by Sunoske

I don't see how asking a question is whining.

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And this is the difference between Americans and the rest of the world, in America if you complain about something you are automatically a whiner, the word to whine is that of what a child does when they can't have their own way.

These forums are really bad for pinning whiner on to someone when they have a valid complaint or opinion.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

America is not a country. It is a pair of continents unless you specify north or south.

The United States is a country. Canada is a country. Mexico is a country. America is not.

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They're not countries. They are tax farms with free-ranged tax cattle.

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Originally Posted by Artamie

Because those 12 year olds will be representative of us in a couple of years and perhaps even comprise of the new majority and sadly not all of them will simply grow out of it. I hate to admit it but why does a generalization exist if it's not at least partially true in some way? Rather than pretend the flaws listed in the generalizations don't exist we should be proactively seeking to quash them.

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I agree with you, that's why I do my best to help and be a nice player / community member! ^.^ Like I earlier said, we don't choose where we war born, I feel if more people just tried to be nice, the game experience would be better for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Do you regularly hear Canadians and mexicans refer to themselves/called "Americans"? I certainly don't.

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Yup they do, also Brazilians, Argentineans, Colombians, Peruvians, and like 30 other countries call themselves Americans....maybe you don't hear them 'cause they say it in Spanish or Portuguese mostly

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Originally Posted by Jinko

And this is the difference between Americans and the rest of the world, in America if you complain about something you are automatically a whiner, the word to whine is that of what a child does when they can't have their own way.

These forums are really bad for pinning whiner on to someone when they have a valid complaint or opinion.

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Yes, the word whine does mean to protest in a childish way or fashion, that's why I stated, I don't quite see how asking a question is whining, I simply put out what I've been noticing and asked the question!~ Now I understand it I were to say something like, " STOP BASHING US Y.Y LEAVE US ALONE!" That would be whining. Quite like this!~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

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Originally Posted by Sunoske

So I've been noticing lately, that a lot of people are just bashing and generalizing Americans because they only run into the bad ones.

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Yeah well, most stereotypes come from somewhere, and you cant expect others to start evaluating everyone individually. Even you do it im sure. You wouldnt go into a bad neighborhood thinking youre safe as usual, yet there are plenty of good people in them that wouldnt hurt a fly. Same goes anywhere else, including this game.

We have a very backwards self-centered, "Me" culture in this country, and our sense of entitlement is off the charts. Others, Japan in particular, are quite the opposite. Generally speaking, of course :)

TL;DR: Youre much less likely to find a ragequitting, go go go skip now, ninja looting, "you suck you worthless noob", <insult personal/mother insults here> in JP DF pool than you would here.

Not sure about EU, I assume theyre somewhere in between.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Yup they do, also Brazilians, Argentineans, Colombians, Peruvians, and like 30 other countries call themselves Americans....maybe you don't hear them 'cause they say it in Spanish or Portuguese mostly

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Actually, I've rarely seen any of those identifying as "americans". Most likely, they will say something like "Latin American", "South American", or just their own nationality. Also, as far as I know, only Argentineans really have issue with people from the USA calling themselves "americans".

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Originally Posted by Jinko

And this is the difference between Americans and the rest of the world, in America if you complain about something you are automatically a whiner, the word to whine is that of what a child does when they can't have their own way.

These forums are really bad for pinning whiner on to someone when they have a valid complaint or opinion.

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I'm sure you totally knows arctic personally and that he's an American, instead of making that assumption right? because that would be too ironic.

People from every country probably generalize. I haven't met them all or visited every country so that's just a guess. Just assume they are no different than the mix of people in your own country who may or may not spend time generalizing about those to the north of them or south of them or those down the road etc.

I have never heard anyone bashing people from the USA on my server nor in DF. In fact I've not heard anyone apart from that one person saying he was from the states mention the USA at all. We talk about how annoying gil sellers are, or people request raises or ask/answer questions or advertise guilds. Normal stuff not bashing.

"Oh your American" is an observation not bashing. Maybe you are over thinking this? You seem like a nice enough person so don't let it worry you over much. :)

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

I'm sure you totally knows arctic personally and that he's an American, instead of making that assumption right? because that would be too ironic.

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I wasn't referring to anyone in particular :S (Generalising as ya do, ya know)

It's the same kind of abuse you'll get on the internet no matter who you are or where you're from, to bash your country is just one excuse for the bottom feeding trolls. It's the kind of bitter person who's got something to complain about everyone and everything, and if you start arguing with them they will suck you into a sh*t-flinging contest in which everyone looses.. we've all been there and had run ins with these kinds of people, healthiest way out is not responding and not taking it personally.

Good and bad people all over the world, simply living in a certain location does not make you prone to being nice or not.

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Originally Posted by Wiggles

Good and bad people all over the world, simply living in a certain location does not make you prone to being nice or not.

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I get what you were saying but you're only half right. In America you're a lot more "free" which often comes with certain people taking advantage of that and forgetting that other parts of the world people are raised differently and have a different way of going about stuff. Some countries you can be killed if you steal even a loaf of bread which will have you much more likely to avoid acting a certain way.

Every other country is just as rude and self centered as Americans, often times more so.

I haven't seen anyone from another country act negatively towards me for being American since I pissed off some Japanese people a few years ago in dark souls(Hey, they invaded me, and lost. Not my fault they can't stand it when an American is better then they are).

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I get what you were saying but you're only half right. In America you're a lot more "free" which often comes with certain people taking advantage of that and forgetting that other parts of the world people are raised differently and have a different way of going about stuff. Some countries you can be killed if you steal even a loaf of bread which will have you much more likely to avoid acting a certain way.

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Like what.... North Korea?

I'm American, and I myself have noticed more rude people have "E" selected. And it's not so much as remembering the bad. Even if so, there are far more "E" I remembering being rude than any of the other languages.

And yes, "E" isn't just American's.

Who cares.

[QUOTE=Sunoske;1322016]So I've been noticing lately, that a lot of people are just bashing and generalizing Americans because they only run into the bad ones. Is it normal for people in other countries to generalize? I'm not trying to be rude, but all I hear is that we are self centered, rude and a lot of the time they blame people leaving DF on Americans...

Because all of this is true. I joined a American FC on my server they didn't care about helping anyone and the leader of that FC didn't trust his own members ether. Why invite someone if you don't trust them lol

Xenophobes gonna xeno.

That doesn't stop them from consuming everything american every single day of their lives, so the joke's on them.

American bashers are nothing more than racists picking on a generalization that can't be boiled down to a single ethnicity, and I treat them the same way I would any racist. With 0 respect.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Actually, I've rarely seen any of those identifying as "americans". Most likely, they will say something like "Latin American", "South American", or just their own nationality. Also, as far as I know, only Argentineans really have issue with people from the USA calling themselves "americans".

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Lol...was once Paris, met a hot girl in a pub, started chatting and asked her where she was from, she told me she was American...naturally I assumed she referred to the U.S, so I asked from what state, she told me Columbia, so I wasn't sure if she was talking about D.C. or South Carolina....but no, she actually meant Colombia and then proceed to rant about why I was misinterpreting "American".....will never forget that XD

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Are you talking about "American" Bashing or USA Bashing??

I think we should be talking about "English Speaker" bashing as that seems more pertinent.

Fun fact: English came from England, not America!

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Originally Posted by kollwitz

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