There won't be a "gil problem" after repairs are made cheaper...

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Originally Posted by Sardoni

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Game just hasn't been out long enough yet, Give it some time and we'll probably have harder and more fun stuff that still gives us some kind of generated money. But I know what you mean. 2.1 will probably bring us something better than those easy things for chump change. Lol

I'd really like to see some more incentive to run the lower dungeons again but that's just me.

And as far as I go. I'll just sell them the materials and take my cut, I find the crafting fun but it's not on my list of to do things.

It's just proper time management you have to think about. Spend some time getting mats for your own use or for others. Sell it on the boards or use it. Either way you can fund yourself. But you'll still need to sell some things to have your personal wealth money.

I think the fact that they are lowering repair costs mean they agree that gil is disappearing from the economy; not as some people claim, that doing FATEs/Leves are generating enough to balance it out.

Square Enix has all the hard data. Exactly how much gil is generated, how much is leaving. Their action speak more than any logic or debate we players can put forth.

The only other logical possibility is that they will allow gil to pile up for now, but will take gil out in 2.1 with much more expensive gil sinks than they originally designed.

I made some stupid buying choices in the weekend and went from 200k to 4k.
I was forced to find a way of making money(small amount, but it`s enough for me, for now.), and now I have 12k, enough for repairs, food and teleports. I am also much wiser and proud.

Like... gil that swaps between players on the market board has to come from somewhere. I think there's a disconnect where people think money grows on gil trees... which I suppose it sort of does but the discussion is about gil trees.

I'm mixed, though... if gil becomes too hard to get to where people aren't even able to effectively play content it will serve to either empower gil sellers or dwindle subscriber numbers. But, the intention seems to be to keep inflation very low, which I'm all for. Hard to tell what the design intent is... but I find myself hoarding as much as possible so...

@Kinseykinz

What you are saying is true, but hardly relevant. Yes, you can get items like Aldgoat Skins from killing things, and yes, these items are worth money. But here's the kicker - they are only worth money to a player. When you sell something to a player, money isn't being made, its only being moved around. The same amount of money still exists in the world - except there is actually LESS money in the world now, because the market took a percentage. And what would happen if you decided to sell that item to a Vendor, because you didn't have the bank space, or spots available on the market, or just didn't feel like waiting for it to sell? You make 2 gil off each one. You could farm aldgoats all day, and end up with a couple hundred gil for your efforts.

This is the point I'm trying to make. No, its not a huge issue right now. And no, obviously vendors shouldn't be giving equal amount of gil for an item as what it is worth on the market - that will only drive prices up, if players could just sell it to a vendor. But things need to be worth SOMETHING to a vendor at least. You have to get SOME gil drops from monsters, more than 2 gil every 300 kills. If not, eventually Market Board fees, teleport fees, and repair fees will literally eat ALL the money in the game.

Also, I don't have a problem 'keeping gil for myself". I hardly spend money on anything, I'm extremely frugal. If I need to travel, I use my chocobo if its in the same area. If its not, I'll generally take an airship and then teleport for less than half the cost. I don't buy things on the Market Board, I harvest and make them myself. I splurged the other day and spent 10k on some materials to level up so I didn't have to farm them myself. That is the extent of my expenditures, aside from repair costs, teleport, and MB costs.

I'm not complaining about the prices - at least not yet, since I'm not 50 - I'm merely pointing out that I HAVE money, I don't spend much money, but I'm seeing the issue in the economy. Its not just me - there are thousands of people. In /shout, in multiple FCs, here on the forums. I normally don't even concern myself with game economy, or hell even with making money as long as I can keep myself afloat. But because I DID notice a problem, and so have so many others, it is a glaringly obvious one, that cannot even be questioned if it exists.

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Originally Posted by peaches

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Better not farm Aldgoats all day for gil then.

We need Obama in here to give us a stimulus package or order the U.S. Treasury to print some more money.....

people just want to do end game content, and be like big brothers

im doing 1M/day but i spend 1M a day, where do i spend my money ?

you know a battling thing called "farming" ? Spiritbonding ?

of course you need money to buy stuff then spiritbond it , then farm, buy low cost stuff, spiritbond => expensive materia > sell > profit

and what about leve ? they dont give money ?

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Originally Posted by peaches

@Kinseykinz

Yes, you can get items like Aldgoat Skins from killing things, and yes, these items are worth money. But here's the kicker - they are only worth money to a player.

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They make you, the player the most money when sold to another player or crafted into something else. They however can also be sold to an NPC for gil. If you did that= money generated by the game, not passed player to player. I am not saying it is the best decision.

And yes, Aldgoat Skins are worth very little...most items are. SE was careful with this too, because in 1.0 there were problems. (some items NPC'd for way to high a cost).

But I also know from playing 1.0. Our leve rewards (gil) were constantly being patched and altered. (they went up, then down, then I think some went up, others down).

And SE also didn't really intend for a brand spanking new, ARR player to be in half-darklighted gear half-way through relic questline by week 2. They expected patch 2.1 to be out (with new content and quests=more server gil generated) before this many players were to the 'grind my relic' phase.

Hopefully, just lowering repair costs will help people figure out how to make money (personal wealth), and not overspend on NPC's enough until new content is released, so that we dont' have to worry about inflation/deflation. But again, SE could release a new quest that when completed =100K if they wanted to. So really, no worries. This is one of the easiest things for them to fix in game....provided they don't overcompensate and flood the markets early on.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

They make you, the player the most money when sold to another player or crafted into something else. They however can also be sold to an NPC for gil. If you did that= money generated by the game, not passed player to player. I am not saying it is the best decision.

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That's nice, but they aren't worth much to players who have no gil and almost no way to get gil. There lies the writing on the wall. You need money constantly being pumped in and taken out of the economy for it to function. If the market can only bear 3 gil for Aldgoat skins because of the lack of fresh gil... that's the way the cookie crumbles.

ETA: The lack of fresh gil will hurt crafters and gatherers down the line.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

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-tin foil hat activate-
I feel they are trying to bleed out the money on the legacy folks so every server has the same relative gil wealth before they add anything else in. Inadvertently, the gil sinks have caused more damage to non-legacy servers than intended.
-puts away tin foil hat-

I'm patient I can wait, but you can be damn sure I've been telling my friend "Oh you want me to gather you some botany mats? Sure but you're paying my repair bill!"

EDIT: Why does quoted text count toward the 1,000 character limit???? This forum is potato.

THe thing is, the only way to make money in this game is through crafting and mining and gathering stuffs.

in my opinion, crafting and gathering should be optional

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Originally Posted by Sardoni

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Lol That's what i've been hearing a lot lately. If that's true everything shall be fine. Especially with lowered repairs haha.

And yeah I dunno why it does. The 1000 character limitation is odd to begin with./

Also forgot this but, yeah gathering and helping people can be bothersome with the huge repair bills. haha

I make a ton of gil in this game, ah and no ah. Obviously if you are doing runs for tomestones, the reward is not gil, even though people just run by the chests. Every resource in this game is actually gil free, you could repair your own armor you can even pay someone to do it for you, soon you won't even have to let it leave your inventory. There is gil laying all over this game. I hope they don't lower repair costs so people realize that the game is made for utilizing the people around you, not the npcs, Community is what creates longevity for MMOs, not the ability to solo the entire game. As far as people complaining about undercutting, thats part of a free market, the product you're selling may not actually be what you think it's worth.

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Originally Posted by RahlZul

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Everyone must have different versions of the game then. Since player repairs by other players doesn't exist in 2.0

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Originally Posted by RahlZul

Every resource in this game is actually gil free, you could repair your own armor you can even pay someone to do it for you, soon you won't even have to let it leave your inventory.

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You have to buy the dark matter from an NPC (not a way to gather it as far as I know). Also you could request repairs in FFXI and in 1.0 but not in ARR for some reason.