Bard Limit Break? Give me a break!

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Originally Posted by Rydin

No one is saying the limit break isn't useful. the main point is it doesn't fit what bard has become.
It's like turning the WHM limit break into a big cannon that does more damage than the melee LB. Sure it would be useful... and it might even win a few fights... but it would be awkward and out of place given what a WHM is.

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I never said someone said it's not useful?

Also, it fits. Bard isn't strictly support or strictly DPS. It's a hybrid, so it does fit.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I never said someone said it's not useful?

Also, it fits. Bard isn't strictly support or strictly DPS. It's a hybrid, so it does fit.

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I'll let you keep believing that

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Originally Posted by Siren

When I started back up in 2.0, I started playing an Arcanist putting my Bard on hold for now but looking forward to playing her later on, I finally logged her in today to find out that 3 of my songs (Madrigal of Sorrow) a HP restore, (Minuet of Rigor) and attack and accuracy raise were completely gone, (Battle Voice) was changed from a HP increase to double the songs effectiveness, and (Ballad of the Magi) went from raising party MP to now costing me DPS to do it. (Rain of Death and Paeon of War) the only 2 untouched songs.

Now im crying on the inside as I write this as my Bard was my favorite character, so If I am wrong about this please correct me cause form the looks of it they took 2 good skills messed up a 3rd one and in there place gave me a cheesy elemental song I have no use for and a crappy Limit Break.


I do not even look forward to playing now =/

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It sucks that some skills were removed and bard was even further pushed into a strictly DD role, but I don't think Yoshi is exactly satisfied with the way this class has turned out either since it was different in beta. It will probably get adjustments made to it when archer can get another job, most likely DD centered, to change into.

I complained about this a while back but it was buried, I'm glad to see a thread blowing up and on the front page.

Square, c'mon.... DPS Role should be DPS Limit Break, plain and simple. Whether you were too lazy to design a Ranged Physical Limit Break or you actually thought keeping the heal was the right move, you are wrong and you should change it.

I've been in countless groups with 2 bards, not having that dps limit break is a huge flaw in your system.

Give Bard a DPS Limit Break

I don't mind Bard in its current form at all. Can't tell you how many times I've been thanked and/or appreciated for "song dancing" (swapping between Ballad and Army and Foe) during HM Ifrit, and occasionally saving the group from a wipe by using LB heal in numerous dungeons/encounters.
I feel like the songs the way they are now are ok, but I think other songs should be brought back or new ones introduced. In reality DPS LBs should be kept to the pure DPS jobs imo.

I also feel like if BRD was to have a DPS LB instead, it would make us far more favorable than most of the other DPS classes, mainly melee, as it is easy for us to maneuver for boss fights, and our support mechanics are extremely unique. Thus, we would start seeing full parties with mostly BRD, BLM, and SMN dps instead of any MNK or DRG.

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Originally Posted by Psykloned

I also feel like if BRD was to have a DPS LB instead, it would make us far more favorable than most of the other DPS classes, mainly melee, as it is easy for us to maneuver for boss fights, and our support mechanics are extremely unique. Thus, we would start seeing full parties with mostly BRD, BLM, and SMN dps instead of any MNK or DRG.

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This guy gets it. BRD gets a DPS limit break, you will never see any melee DPS again.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

This guy gets it. BRD gets a DPS limit break, you will never see any melee DPS again.

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Went to last page after reading OP to say this and its already here.

Both healers down in raid? Bard Level 3 Limit break saves the day.

It's a great limit break, stop complaining.

Game is balanced around end game.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

This guy gets it. BRD gets a DPS limit break, you will never see any melee DPS again.

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the problem there stems from the fact normally melee do HIGHER damage to compensate for the risk... which isn't the case here by much if anything. give brd a dd lb but increase drg/mnk damage people who want "Safety" can have people who want "speed" can also have it~

there are already plenty of fights where being a melee is more trouble then it's worth tbh ESPECIALLY things like HM primals OH I JUMPED/TELEPORTED? BYE GREASED LIGHTNING! :<

Exactly. The DPS Limit breaks are a huge reason to bring along a Melee DPS for the risk they have to put themselves in. I've done a few Amdapor Keep runs with 2 BRDs as DPS and it really hurts not having the ability to instantly nuke one of the Demon Wall adds or some extra damage to expedite the Dragon fight.

We probably won't see a Ranged Physical Limit Break until Musketeer is released because that is when a actual DD Physical Ranged Job will be released. Assuming Musketeer is given a DD focused Job and not a Support Job like with Archer moving into Bard.

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Originally Posted by Veis

Both healers down in raid? Bard Level 3 Limit break saves the day.

It's a great limit break, stop complaining.

Game is balanced around end game.

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What about light parties?
What about LB1 and LB2?
I have run many times on Duty with 2 brds DPS...it sucks so much.

We all agree we need LB3 mass ress to stay BUT there are so many things wrong
The animation lock its retarded
Also the Tank LB3 last like 3 fucking seconds...who the fuck made this "supports" limit breaks...

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

dont get what was wrong with bard from 1.0...was just fine then and played the roll it was supposed to (better buffs, able to throw backup heals, solid DD..ect) Its The one job i still gripe over since beta, just find it dumb with the changes and still found no use for the LOLlower elemental resistance crap (hilarious when it changed to be one of the very few if not only FF with no elemental wheel)

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I had np with the way brd was in 1.0, I loved being a brd in garuda. Our 15 minute cd ability was pretty sweet. I wish Rain of Death though was the same animation. I always loved seeing that go off in 1.0. Now it's just sad to see. At least in 1.0 the skill affected enemies nearby too when used if they were in range. I have to say I am not happy with the limit break brds got either, I never played brd in ffxi and I loved it in 1.0 since I could fire arrows instead of playing instruments all the time.

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I'm more dps minded and would prefer a dps based Limit Break or at least give brds 2 choices for a limit break depending on the situation. Say the one we have now and maybe a dps one if the situation called for it. I love my brd but I wish I could limit break with the effectiveness of mnk, drg or blm. At least they shortened the time it takes to cast swiftsong.
I remember first time I tried Rain of Death out in phase 3 beta when I got my 1.0 char back and I was disappointed with what they did for the animation. There is a saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". They should've left RoD alone.

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

@50 BRD is essential for tanks during AOE threat fights. They make sure a Warrior can spam overpower, and a paladin can spam flash stress free.

However, the LB for Bard does not make any sense, and will probably be changed. They are a DD class now, give them a DD LB.

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I agree. The current limit break would make more sense if brds could use whm skills.

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Originally Posted by Althea

I'd be more okay with bard if there was also a ranger class instead.

Then they could make bard more "support" while archers could also have the option of going as a dedicated DD (ranger). I'm sure this is coming eventually, though. I've used the bard LB3 a few times on some bad ifirit runs. It didn't save the raid, though. They all resulted in wipes regardless. The "rez animation" just takes way too long for it to be a successful recovery.

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... What? You get almost instantly propped back on your feet with full HP, MP and TP bars. For an Ifrit run to go bad enough that you need to pop a LB3 raise to save it, I'd say all hope was lost well before that anyway.

cough bump cough

Bards are arguably the highest dps in the game.
Bards have extremely high burst damage (probably rivaled by BLM's, but ours lasts longer).
Bards are the most mobile dps class in the game.
Bards have the best utility in the game (song, root, slow, silence).
Bards aren't melee. Because fuck melee. <3

Give us a dps limit break and we won't need to bring any other dps classes to anything. Maybe a BLM for AoE every once in awhile.

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Originally Posted by TheKojukinator

Am I the only one under the impression that there are only THREE kinds of limit break types, because there are only THREE party roles: Tank, DPS, Healer? And within each role there are actually three limit breaks, depending on how many bars were charged.

If I am not mistaken, then complaining about Bard's limit break is silly... because it's the same limit break that all other DPS classes/jobs have. As far as I understand, there is no Job that ever changes the base Class' role... meaning a Tank never turns in to DPS with a job crystal. Thus, a Bard is still DPS because an Archer is DPS... even if Bards were completely awesome debuffers/buffers and had shitty dps, they are still based on the Archer class and the game still counts them as DPS so we'd have the DPS limit breaks.


As a side note, I agree that as a Job the Bard is underwhelming... but in spirit I am rooting for it still.

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Was this really posted? SMH...