Duty finder is a disaster

Duty finder is a nice tool.
And if things are getting harder, like people said, we can still recruit an elite party to do this particular dungeon.

I see a tool like duty finder as an help to farm common content, not the bread and butter to complete each and every challenge the game has to offer.

I must say, if you don't find others to play with on your server, then your journey is over.

Just now I got into a dungeon, WHM took one look at us and just left the party, no, he didn't d/c, just left.

I also watched my bro and his gf wipe to Garuda (Hard) over and over again.

Duty Finder, gotta love it huh. It's good for completing the story, useless after that.

It's not login issues that will kill this game, its the community.

I haven't had problems with groups in it personally.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

the anonymity and lack of social repercussions fuel a enviroment where vitrol is easy to spit.

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Exactly this ^

I have had a mixed bag with DF. Best to remain patient and explain about importance of gear and strat before jumping in as the community is finding its feet. Games only been out a week. It takes a few tries to get the muscle memory for boss fights.

Have to admit though I did have a little quiet QQ when Amp Keep DF loaded up and placed me with 2 BLM. We couldn't DPS the first boss fast enough and one left so fortunately didn't even have to experience the Demon Wall.

Also the servers have just stabilised and people are actually getting to play, probably a bit too much, so a lot of tired cranky people on ^^

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

Maybe its not the group but you?

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This is exactly what the OP is talking about. XD

Personally maybe 10% of the parties I've been in were actually enjoyable. The rest I wanted to drop but didn't cause It's not how I roll.

problem is not the duty finder its just a tool if you want to use it or not.

its the people bringing down the community, the DF is not the one calling you names or QQ then drop party.

I've only had disasters from DF.
Took me 6 hours to beat Titan, because of shit groups, not understanding what they have to do, fall after fall after fall and then someone ragequitting.
I had to actually go to Dragonhead and ask a few higher lvl dudes to help me out in shout, because I've just lost all hope to do it with DF.
We did it from the first try, it wasn't that hard at all. I don't want to sound rude, but I was seriously starting to question people's intelligence at that point.

Weirdly enough, my friends on Phoenix (EU) (we got separated in the whole launch thing, hopefully I'll rejoin them with the serv trans item soon) haven't had a single problem with DF - always had cool and understanding people.

I prefer duty finders that only draw on people from your own world for two reasons.

First, actions have more consequences, reputations get made, and extreme behavior can be reported to a FC leader.

Second, you meet people you can add to your friends list or recruit into your FC to do more non-duty finder grouping with. With a multi-worlds finder you're almost always going to get some random you never see again.

That said, a one-world duty finder would have its disadvantages in terms of how fast groups get put together and they would be particularly less functional on small population worlds.

I too am sorry that you have had bad experiences. I have done pretty much everything I could through the DF and have had only one bad experience which was mainly due to the tank just plain not trying. As far as attitudes go, I have had a far better experience with this Dungeon Finder in this game than in pretty much every other MMO that has one.

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Originally Posted by Azurewrath

Duty finder is a last resort option for people who want to try out the game and don't have 4 minutes to find members. There's a great search function and hundreds of players willing to do any dungeon at all times on your own server

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4 minutes? Perhaps since you are only level 20 you do not understand what I and the others here are saying. At 50 to form a group that can actually down some of the harder content can take hours. Taking just anyone to these places (Such as Garuda or Titan hardmodes) will not get you very far. You need to find people that, not only have the gear, but are willing to wipe over and over and actually learn the content and not leave after 2 wipes. This can take many hours.

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Originally Posted by Namko

Exactly this ^

I have had a mixed bag with DF. Best to remain patient and explain about importance of gear and strat before jumping in as the community is finding its feet. Games only been out a week. It takes a few tries to get the muscle memory for boss fights.

Have to admit though I did have a little quiet QQ when Amp Keep DF loaded up and placed me with 2 BLM. We couldn't DPS the first boss fast enough and one left so fortunately didn't even have to experience the Demon Wall.

Also the servers have just stabilised and people are actually getting to play, probably a bit too much, so a lot of tired cranky people on ^^

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Should I assume that my BLM lacks the DPS to do something like AK, well that explains the WHM leaving, he literally saw me on BLM and thought, ya we willl wipe with a BLM. Guess ill toss the Stardust Rod and level a real class lol.

That's one silly WHM. I love BLM. My perfect party would be any tank, BLM and BRD. Buff + epic cc and nuke for dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Giyari

Should I assume that my BLM lacks the DPS to do something like AK, well that explains the WHM leaving, he literally saw me on BLM and thought, ya we willl wipe with a BLM. Guess ill toss the Stardust Rod and level a real class lol.

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Not at all, I hate job stacking and job prejudice (After soloing BLM to 75 in FF11). A lot of the new pick up BLMs I have had experience major problems on Demon Wall because of all the movement. I hit the character limit on previous post, but the point was they failed the gear check. I'm still in mixed AF so probably shouldn't be there either, but it seems slightly more forgiving for a tank. IMO the dungeon wasn't tested properly for BLM. You should comment on how you handle Demon Wall for others to benefit! In fact on another run I went with a BLM friend using Garuda/DL and it was our pickup DRG that didn't have the DPS. Sorry for not being clear. I would never leave without at least trying or explaining (white gear).

I've actually gone back to spamming Castrum for HDL to make Amp Keep easier on WHM.

The DF has been a very positive experience for me, on the whole. I've only had one very poor experience and I was happy enough to ignore them until I was able to leave the instance.

I see a lot of people in this very thread are the exact problem with the DF. Elitist, self-righteous pricks.

If you're too good for the people you'll pick up in the DF, hey great for you. Stay the hell out and leave the rest of the population to having fun.

We would all prefer for you to stick to your own kind and commiserate off in your own corner.

It's been fine for me the...What, maybe 7 times I've used it for Sastasha/Copperbell/Tam-tara, with the only issue a tank complaining about me not targeting her target when I couldn't tell at glance which it was anyways (no markers) but since it wasn't causing any issues we just kept going.

Note, I realized after that comment what was meant by it, and did what I could, but it's hard to aim for a specific target when it's not marked.

I have used it several times, never had a player being disrespectful.

Sometimes we couldnt finish the dungeon because someone left (for whatever reason) bu i have never encountered any signs of drama of any kind.

Maybe i have been lucky or you havent been lucky OP.

I got trolled last night. WHM went as DD, pulled hate on a mob nobody was attacking, dies then states "Pull one at a time because tank can't hold hate".

So just after I posted good thoughts on the DF, this happened:

http://i.imgur.com/aZemb28.jpg

The person in question would wait for me to mark "1", "2", "3", and then always, every single time, will pick out "2" to attack. Every single pack of trash. Asked him to attack "1" first, no response. After another pack, asked him again, no response again. Then the third time he does this, I asked what he has against me.

First two times I gave him the benefit of the doubt and always took the target back. Third time I let him have the target to himself, and he asks the healer if the healer has sleep. As if hinting that I can't tank properly.

"LOL i just want to hit the other one lol"

Sadly for him, the three of us Tank+Heal+DPS are from the same FC, so we just left and restarted with another DPS and had a smooth run through. Our FC rock. We have the best FC buddies who support me.

Jerks do exist. I've just had the fortune of not running into every single one of them. :(

I love Duty Finder, You get good parties and bad parties.. to be expected.

Might be a few assholes about.

People really need to start opening up a little inside these Duties though, and helping out new players or people who aren't good at said duties.. or even their job. There's no need to be aggressive towards players. Sometimes it does get frustrating when they aren't open to advice, and that's when you leave if no ones willing to learn and it's causing you to fail.

So this is the next thing the complainers have found to complain about? Now that they cant do so with server issues xD

I have done at least 20 dungeon runs with DF, and some was better than others. But even in the ones where there were a few wipes, nobody was pointing fingers and blaming eachothers, but we discussed what to try next and we cleared it ^^
A little patience and friendly attitude towards your fellow gamers goes a long way :) If you are a whiny elitist A hole, I will avoid you and blacklist you. xD

I haven't really had any bad groups but it doesn't feel like I'm part of a community. We just get in, say hi, explain the fights, do the fights, collect our loot, and go our separate ways because we can't ever play together again. It doesn't make sense to invest yourself in temporary relationships like that.

End game dungeons are a mixed bag cant say they're all good cant say all bad although when they're bad they are really bad.

Like the OP, I much prefer running with LS mates or FC groups, but I have used the duty finder a couple of times. I haven't had anything close to the experience the OP had. Everyone has been friendly so far. The worst things I've seen are people who just have no idea how to play their class/job.

Personally I feel like the attitudes that come from people in the duty finder is due to they feel no empathy towards that person because "they aren't on the same server".

I'm stuck relying on it because I have no awesome FC full of amazing players. You get a sense of how difficult these fight really are when you see what can go wrong in every step of the way.

@Sidious: Well to be honest, Yoshi-P did say the only goal of the Duty Finder is to "find" a party quickly. And he did say the "hi, thanks, bye" style is perfectly fine in the Duty Finder contents.

Now I just hope they improve on the PC Search feature. If I ever have the choice of doing local server only matches I will never do cross server again unless my local server becomes a ghost server.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I'm stuck relying on it because I have no awesome FC full of amazing players. You get a sense of how difficult these fight really are when you see what can go wrong in every step of the way.

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Twin.....is that you? O: !!!

I've run each dungeon up to lvl 38 multiple times now. I run them when I unlock them, then again with my friend while he's leveling and sometimes multiple times for gear. Every time I have queued using the DF and only 2 times have I had to quit because of a bad team(only 1 uncooperative member each time). There have been a couple who weren't quite as skilled but as soon as other teammates give them tips they quickly adjust.

I have no issue with DF except for Scholars keeping me from instant WHM queue times. :/

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Originally Posted by Itchyness

Mandatory implementation required: Vote to kick

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Yes, this is essential. This will not only help with the issue of Trolls and bullies, but helps with people who get disconnected and take half an hour to get back in and you can't requeue even though the timer is almost up because the other player is still "on the team"

or im really lucky or i still didnt found any problems in duty finder, most of the ppl so far seems really great on my groups..

Everyone has a different approach, different personality and as such gets a different experience. You're experience doesn't equate into Duty Finder being bad in any way shape or form.

This game tells you how to defeat the challenge of the dungeon. Most people don't read it, nor will they follow simply instructions such as " Hey don't get near the eye flying around in a circle." It reduces my faith in the mental capabilities of my fellow humans and makes me want to rage.

The Duty Finder allows for a level of trolling and abuse that previously was unheard of in FF MMOs.

Those of us who are FFXI/FFXIV veterans know how strictly self-policing endgame was. You could not get away with the type of abuse that is happening now. You would be named/shamed and banned from all endgame LSs if you persisted in terrible behavior.

I am sad to so see the game go in this direction. A combination of the Duty Finder and refugees from other MMOs have taken this behavior to a new level. A prime reason I played FFXI/FFXIV is for a community of people that strove to be respectful. There of course was drama, but not even close to the extent that I've been seeing lately. It really is sad.

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Originally Posted by Jackus

It reduces my faith in the mental capabilities of my fellow humans and makes me want to rage.

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Oh I've lost my faith in humanity a long time ago. The actions of some people only reassure me that I'm correct to have none.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

I haven't really had any bad groups but it doesn't feel like I'm part of a community. We just get in, say hi, explain the fights, do the fights, collect our loot, and go our separate ways because we can't ever play together again. It doesn't make sense to invest yourself in temporary relationships like that.

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This probably sums up the core of the problem, what it doesn't explain however is how you will get repeatedly treated like absolute garbage by people you've never met before... it's absolutely mind blowing how hostile people are to each other in duty finder groups.

People saying they've had no issues are either ahead of the curve of new players, extremely lucky, or bad and don't know any better.
I'm taking my time leveling my tank and DF is pretty grim. Every now and then I get a group of people who actually played games before, but the majority of people are terrible- much like every game with matchmaking ever; it's just going to be that way.

I think i only had like 3 DF groups with untollerable people, this one lalafell was stroking his epeen so hard i think he got garuda pregnant... other wise just people that aren't very skilled sometimes pop in can either work around it or fail. the unskilled ones aren't very rude though, they either understand your advice or dont. It's not too bad i like the DF.

There is no excuse to be awful. The popup in the beginning is there for a reason, it tells you how to beat the game! Shadow and Claw is a prime example, you walk around in a circle the entire fight trying to avoid the eye and his purple splash graphic. ALL of those who I had the unfortunate luck of joining had died due to the purple splash. I had spammed chat saying "GET AWAY FROM THE EYE" until that it is all that you could see. What happens? People still died to purple splash damage...

I had mostly positive outcomes from DF. Except this one time our healer quit because she got the boots she wanted....
I met quite a few legacys and they were kind. If anything they were trying to relearn the game again.

duty finder is fun, I haven't had any experience where anyone was anything but nice, and no droolers too! Seeing this thread I think people expect too much out of other players.

Same here with a few others that havent encountered d-bags in the DF. Met a few "unskilled" players, for which they did not know the enmity rotation for tanks (i'm healer btw), but they were quite polite and asked for advice n all. I'd hate to encounter the d-bags though. Trolls will be trolls.