Just who is Odin?

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Originally Posted by Nights87

I'm going to make a wild guess that the Allagan hero who slew him was named Alexander.

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God I hope so. Alexander being my favorite Summon in FF, and Alexander vs. Odin being my favorite storyline from FFXI. . . seeing it again would just be awesome.

Just gonna leave this here...avert your eyes if you don't want Coil spoilers!

http://xivdb.com/?quest/66695/Primal-Awakening - Entire quest dialog is here. xivdb also has the dialog for Alisae's Pledge.

I personally haven't traversed into Coil yet so I'm not familiar with the story that's going on there, but it seems as if Bahamut's body parts have been "severed".

I can only assume that Odin was the only force strong enough to have accomplished this. From the quest text provided it still sounds like it's a large unknown as to this all came to be.

I think we're going to eventually see more story revolving around who Odin actually is and what actually happened at Carteneau when everything faded to white.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

Considering it's hard to prove, but if it is not Louisoix, my money is on Odin's vessel being Nael van Darnus

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It's definitely not Nael van Darnus either :P

Odin the Lalafell standing above the victims who no longer have knees.
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...d61a7f0991.jpg

And we may be getting one step closer to a full answer:

http://xivdb.com/?dungeon/20027/Urth%27s-Fount

Well, if it does indeed become a DF-able trial, Lyland will at last have the chance to avenge Wiyu as the keeper of her legacy. :D

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

And we may be getting one step closer to a full answer:

http://xivdb.com/?dungeon/20027/Urth%27s-Fount

Well, if it does indeed become a DF-able trial, Lyland will at last have the chance to avenge Wiyu as the keeper of her legacy. :D

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And heres one of the rewards:
http://i.imgur.com/zDHSymM.jpg

I wonder if Louisoix was the Allagan Hero who slew Odin and trapped him in the crystal, which sounds a lot like what happened to Bahamut, and we know Louisoix bound Bahamut in The Coil 5 years ago. As of right now we are dealing with the Allagan on two fronts; The Binding Coil and Crystal Tower, both of which Louisoix's grand children are taking a huge lead in confronting. I think that this is a little more than coincidence and they are heading up the Allagan fronts because they are, in fact, Allagan. Louisoix might actually be a clone of himself like Doga and Unei or may have been frozen in time like Xande, all of who are current living Allegan.

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Originally Posted by Lethorian

I wonder if Louisoix was the Allagan Hero who slew Odin and trapped him in the crystal.

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That's literally impossible, given that Odin was trapped eons ago in a bygone era.

While it's not completely clear if she was the one who specifically trapped Odin, the summoner Wiyu is said to be among the group of heroes who fought the Dark Divinity, and she gave her life to save her companions during the battle.

This was revealed by Gerolt in the quest line for the summoner relic, the Veil of Wiyu.

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Gerolt: Did I hear ye rightly? Yer sayin' that you revived the long lost Allagan art o' summonin'? Bloody hells, I'd always thought 'twas naught but a myth... If it's as ye say, the tales I heard growin' up might well have some truth to 'em. In particular, the one about the maiden Wiyu springs to mind. 'Twas the most detailed among 'em, ye see. She was a right ravishin' lass, this Wiyu, with bright green eyes an' a fiery spirit to match. Alas, she goes on to meet a premature end. Accordin' to the tale, she an' her comrades square off against Odin, the Dark Divinity. When the battle takes an ill turn, she sacrifices herself to save her party. Right tragic, I know.

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Originally Posted by Lethorian

I wonder if Louisoix was the Allagan Hero who slew Odin

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no the name of the hero who sealed Odin into that crystal also graces the area in which said crystal resides: Urth. She sacrificed her own life in order to seal away Odin and thus the area was named Urth's Gift.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

no the name of the hero who sealed Odin into that crystal also graces the area in which said crystal resides: Urth. She sacrificed her own life in order to seal away Odin and thus the area was named Urth's Gift.

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Most people seem to assume that it was Urth, but if I remember correctly, there is nothing in the information we've been given so far that definitively confirms it was Urth who actually sealed the Dark Divinity.

Full text of the dialogue from the quest chain can be found here.

A summary of events was provided by the thread starter:

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Well, I ran the Odin-background sidequest earlier this week, and I took some notes on the dialogue and events there within. Admittedly, I should've posted this after I completed the quest chain, but I was too caught up trying to complete the story, haha! Anyway, here's what I wrote down:

• Odin is known as "The Dark Divinity"
• Bowlord Lewin asks for your help, as there have been multiple sightings of a dark rider in the Twelveswood
• After confirming the sightings, Lewin sends you to O-App-Pesi at Quarrymill for further information
• O-App-Pesi informs you that Odin slew the queen, Urth, and her people
• Odin was eventually slain by an Allagan hero, and was sealed away in the crystal located in Urth's Fount
• When you investigate his shattered crystal prison, you must defeat a soul called "The Last of the Allagan"
• Upon inspecting the crystal, you find a stone that indicates Odin is indeed free of his prison
• When the stone is shown to O-App-Pesi, he tells you that it was shattered from the inside
• (I can't remember who says this, Pesi or the Conjurer) You learn that it's odd that Odin is remaining in the Shroud
• The only record of Odin are from ancient Allag
• Urianger makes a cryptic reference to only knowing one side of history, and asks us to find out the rest of the truth ourselves

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We also know that Odin says, "Urth--one day, I will find thee", if you fail to defeat him during his FATE appearances in the Shroud.

And if you do defeat him, he says, rather ominously: "Thou knowest not thy folly. Forfeit is thy walking soul..."

In short, we seem to know only that Odin is searching for Urth, whom he reportedly killed, but we don't know why for sure.

According to O-App-Pesi, Odin slew Urth, along with "multitudes of her people".

The great Allag hero who battled Odin came along only later, as O-App-Pesi said: "At long a great hero of Allag did arise to do battle with the dark god. Odin was slain, and his spirit sealed within a forest spring."

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Most people seem to assume that it was Urth, but if I remember correctly, there is nothing in the information we've been given so far that definitively confirms it was Urth who actually sealed the Dark Divinity.

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The sightseeing log states that Urth spilled her own blood to seal him away.

Heh, then I guess we have conflicting accounts of events from official sources. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though, as different versions of ancient legends are common in the real world as well.

What some may see as a mistake by the lore team, I'd like to see as a crinkle that adds realism to my game lore. :p

What we really need is to fight Odin in a proper Trial. Then, hopefully, we'd get the full story.

Could be similar to how Odin came to existance in FF4. Either that or he took the form of the last person to defeat him (Urth). Sort of like how he's supose to asume the race and size of whomever got the killing blow. My question is how is he staying in the Shroud if no one's feeding him crystals for the Aether?

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

My question is how is he staying in the Shroud if no one's feeding him crystals for the Aether?

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Precisely. Together with the fact that the Scions don't seem to detect aetheric anomalies in the Black Shroud despite Odin's presence, the suggestion seems to be that it's not a primal that's running loose in the forest at the moment.

If I were to hazard a guess, I think what we're seeing now could well be just a "ghost" of Odin, or an echo of the real elder primal.

In any case, we don't know much for sure right now.

Looking at this thread arose my curiosity.

As said being the 'Dark Divinity', and as Elder Primal, he is definitely supported in some forms of worship or 'beliefs'.

Or just his being is so powerful that said his form is just a withering form with what is remained of him.

I think that primals roamed the land until the Allagan found a way to bind and seal them away. Lesser primal feed off the aether of their fallen prey, normal Primal found a way to use devotion to provide aether, and Elder Primal feed on Eorzea's on aether. They most likely are a spirits of sorts the grow more powerful based on the aether they consume. We know the Allagan sealed Bahamut into Dalamud, Odin @ Urth Fount, and some how found a way to stop the others through Midgarsormr. Good King Moggle Mog XII isn't considered a primal yet some spirit answered the prays of the Moogle and was summoned. Shiva seems to be gathering followers to worship her.

I also think the Allagan found a way to imprison primals into Magicite to use as a tool. Amdapor could have found the magicite holding Diabolos, released him, and he destroyed the city.

Well, we have finally received our answers to Odin!

As it turns out, Odin's body is NOT the Primal, in the strictest sense. It is, in fact, his sword, Zantetsuken, that houses the spirit of Odin and manifests the Dark Divinity. When he is slain his body fades, but his sword remains and draws the aetheric energies required to manifest himself from the Shroud, not prayers or crystals. It is for that reason he takes so long to reappear--the aether of the environment is not nearly as concentrated as that within a cache of crystals.

After he is slain, those who come upon his sword are tempered as his "sundered" and are transformed into the Dark Divinity. I guess we can assume that, in the case of his FATE, the player who landed the killing blow is tempered by the sword, and when it has gathered the requisite energy to manifest Odin's body, the sword will call out to the player, which is why they become the new 'Odin'. This also explains why he tells the players upon his defeat that "forfeit is thy waking soul".

And this just reminded me: he's kind of like Shiva in a sense. He requires a host to manifest himself.

Unfortunately, it seems we will have to wait to find out why he is still so obsessed with finding Urth, despite having killed her centuries ago. I haven't talked to Urianger, yet, but maybe he'll provide some more info. After beating a Primal, he often has a bit more info to share with you about them, but that may be just for the EX Primals. Hmm... EX Odin? Make it happen SE, haha!

Needless to say, I loved the fight, and am really glad to get some concrete answers!

I'll edit my post later with some quotes from the quest, if someone hasn't already posted them by tonight.

^that

also, anyone clear the fight while havent finishing WHM quest?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

When he is defeated in the trial Odin vanishes but his sword persists. That should not be possible unless the sword is something else entirely... say perhaps a primal using an object as a host? Given that the one to defeat him (the player that dealt the final blow) would likely then take his discarded sword it would explain why he always takes the form of that player: he is essentially tempering them and using them to sustain himself AND wield him. It would all still fit within the wider rules of how primals work but would be an interesting new twist on it whilst providing the plot device to kill Lahabrea (since we have the echo we would wield him without consequence).

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Well I got some details a little off, and unfortunately there were no main scenario connections at all (which I was very disappointed about) but I totally called it that:

The sword itself was Odin! ;D

Then Odin in XIV is much like the Anubis Stand from the 3rd arc of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Interesting.

It sounds like Zantetsuken is also one of the "keys" like Louisoix's staff and the horn from 1.0 that can draw aether from the environment, but comparatively weaker.

EDIT: Looks like the Odin trial can also randomly have him without his helmet. He's the Duskwight we saw before in those early 2.0 screenshots.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ar_his_helmet/

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

It sounds like Zantetsuken is also one of the "keys" like Louisoix's staff and the horn from 1.0 that can draw aether from the environment, but comparatively weaker.

EDIT: Looks like the Odin trial can also randomly have him without his helmet. He's the Duskwight we saw before in those early 2.0 screenshots.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ar_his_helmet/

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Interesting, so I guess that's the original Odin then, huh?

What's also interesting is that the 1st boss of Amdapor keep -- Anchag -- is not only a reskinned Odin, but it also has the Trial Odin attack "hall of sorrow" and one of its attack is named "valfodr" which is aperantly another name of Odin in mythology.

Odin is only found in Black Shroud + looks like a duskwight elezen. I wonder if Odin was somehow related to the Amdapor civilization? Maybe a king?

He's not an Amdapori primal, but he's likely from Ilsabard, the Garlean continent, but long before the Garleans conquered it. The minion does say he's from "Northern mythology," and he stole his sword from an Au Ra, whom as far as we know are isolated to Othard, which is bordered by Ilsabard.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if Odin was somehow related to the Amdapor civilization? Maybe a king?

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Except, as far as we know, Odin was sealed away for the entire duration of the Amdapor civilization. He was sealed away during the time of the Allag.

sort of a necro but i just got odin card and here is its flavor text

While no one knows exactly when or by whom the Dark Divinity was summoned, the elder primal roams the Twelveswood astride his loyal warhorse Sleipnir seeking a bloody reckoning for misdeeds lost but unforgotten.

the part i put in italic seems very important to his story