NA / EU / JP server=No transfer

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Originally Posted by PinkamenaDiane

The question that never gets answered that people want an answer to is. Will the old servers be split up between Na Jp Eu datacenters? If so will we be able to move a character from one old server to another old server. Or is it the case all old servers will be based in Japan, the new player servers will be Na Eu datacenter and thus have a waiting period for existing characters to move there.

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Yes thats the question SE should answer. In same time if the old server are going to be based JP,NA or EU they should let us know wich one will be on what. Lets hope your question wont be lost.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

In same time if the old server are going to be based JP,NA or EU they should let us know wich one will be on what. Lets hope your question wont be lost.

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The real question is PinkamenaDiane's.

Your question is subsidiary, we can worry about which server is where and how to deal with that later.

Let's first know what's gonna happen: will we have localized server for "old characters" and localized server for new characters ? Or will we have localized server for new characters, the old ones being stuck on japanese server for a given period of time. (Let's avoid speaking of "players" as it's not relevant anymore, every new characters will have the same rules)

The actual question is
Why wouldn't they?

All degrees of common sense would indicate that they would split the old servers between regions. I swear to god this is like the only forum I know of where people purposefully go counter to common sense.

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Originally Posted by Evangelus

you think ragnarok will become EU server? you think japanese characters on ragnarok will enjoy that?

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Do you mean the Japanese players who were told, along with everyone else, that this will be mainly a European players' server?

There are benefits and drawbacks to any plan SE comes up with, but keeping existing servers where they are doesn't increase network latency for anyone. I assume Japanese players see perhaps 30ms, and NA around 180ms. Europe's latency to Japan was much higher. This was confirmed by SE. Perhaps Ragnarok was one step towards fixing that problem.

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Originally Posted by Skies

The actual question is
Why wouldn't they?

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Because SE loves surprises ? And we'be been surpised with SE.
We just want to be sure that there is not a new surprise here, the kind of surprise we would not like ! That's all !

If you prefer, these questions are more a request of confirmation of common sense then real questions. It would please you more like this ? :)

I am still really confused about the server situation.

All legacy players will be stuck on a server located in Japan and cannot move for an undetermined and probably extensive amount of time? When transferring become available, will there be a guarantee that people can move en masse to the server location that better suites their needs? It'd be rather bad if a large free company of could not move all their member to the same server.
How long will legacy members have to wait? It'll be harder to maintain groups of people transferring together the longer the wait. I also don't want my game play still be hindered by distance lag for an extended period of time by being on a server far away when a closer one is available. But I don't feel like I should have to throw away 2 years of work on a character for that.

Can't there be at least 1 world open to legacy players per region at launch?

Can someone post a link to a statement by anyone at SE that the current servers, as named, will exist in ARR? Or that people who were on 1.x server Y will be forced onto ARR server Y? Or that all 1.x servers and their previous names and their entire "data snapshot day" playerbase, exactly matching that day, will all be kept in Japan?

I have a lot of speculation, but I don't intend to devolve this into faith in the unseen.

That is the point, Romikemi. We do not have any information about this. Nothing.

i'm also very confused and Bayohne didnt rly help my confusion ><. Hope to see what else we hear and I hope its soon.

I think my play enjoyment priorities may be different from many, as mine are Friends/Community/LS/FC >>> (being light years more important than) >>> imagined latency/possible language barriers/the idea that your server location will contribute to your awesome/elite-ness somehow.

That being said, this is what I believe (i.e. the following is my opinion only) will happen at launch when they flip the switch and turn on the game from day one:

1. The servers for ALL 10 existing Worlds (Aegis through Sargatanas, alphabetically, which names will remain the same) will be located in Japan. I believe this because SE will not want to shock their JP players by them logging into a London or NY based server and being unable to move for an undetermined amount of time. I am an American and I live in Florida. I played XI for years and years. I believe SE considers the convenience of the JP population over others. I have no problem with this.

2. That existing characters will automatically be logged into the world which they were previously on, and will remain on that word until server changes become allowed. A choice of servers will not be available for existing characters.

3. The "fresh new worlds" will be equally spread among the regions, with perhaps less in Japan, since already 10 are there. Any new character can be created on them. Creation of any new character will prompt a World choice of every possible world, both old and new.

4. [The already confirmed information that old characters cannot be moved to new worlds (until later when server change option opens up); but that new characters can be created on any world, so long as that world is not "full".]

I think what we all want is a confirmation and/or correction of Numbers 1, 2 and 3.

TL;DR - Every person here has an opinion of what's going to happen with our existing characters on Day 1, but what we really want is a clear, definite and official statement so we can stop guessing and KNOW.

Let me take a stab at this confusion. I guess some of us need really specific language. So : New players can join an old player server ( which I'm assuming is a new server in terms of the machine itself not an old version 1 box) if there is room again; why wouldn't there be room right! It only makes sense that old players can join new (machine wise) old player servers from the beginning and not new all new player server(machine, box etc) and not be stuck in japan. That is what I am reading. I hope that helps more than it confuses!

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Originally Posted by Allesasi

Let me take a stab at this confusion. I guess some of us need really specific language. So : New players can join an old player server ( which I'm assuming is a new server in terms of the machine itself not an old version 1 box) if there is room again; why wouldn't there be room right! It only makes sense that old players can join new (machine wise) old player servers from the beginning and not new all new player server(machine, box etc) and not be stuck in japan. That is what I am reading. I hope that helps more than it confuses!

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Your post is a hot mess. I'm sorry. Plus, we know what we know from SE and I don't think we're confused. We don't need clarification on the Dev post in this thread. We just need to know more than is in that post.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I think my play enjoyment priorities may be different from many, as mine are Friends/Community/LS/FC >>> (being light years more important than) >>> imagined latency/possible language barriers/the idea that your server location will contribute to your awesome/elite-ness somehow.

That being said, this is what I believe (i.e. the following is my opinion only) will happen at launch when they flip the switch and turn on the game from day one:

1. The servers for ALL 10 existing Worlds (Aegis through Sargatanas, alphabetically, which names will remain the same) will be located in Japan. I believe this because SE will not want to shock their JP players by them logging into a London or NY based server and being unable to move for an undetermined amount of time. I am an American and I live in Florida. I played XI for years and years. I believe SE considers the convenience of the JP population over others. I have no problem with this.

2. That existing characters will automatically be logged into the world which they were previously on, and will remain on that word until server changes become allowed. A choice of servers will not be available for existing characters.

3. The "fresh new worlds" will be equally spread among the regions, with perhaps less in Japan, since already 10 are there. Any new character can be created on them. Creation of any new character will prompt a World choice of every possible world, both old and new.

4. [The already confirmed information that old characters cannot be moved to new worlds (until later when server change option opens up); but that new characters can be created on any world, so long as that world is not "full".]

I think what we all want is a confirmation and/or correction of Numbers 1, 2 and 3.

TL;DR - Every person here has an opinion of what's going to happen with our existing characters on Day 1, but what we really want is a clear, definite and official statement so we can stop guessing and KNOW.

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If they don't allow us NA,EU to go to a NA,EU world that going to piss of a lot of players.

A simple thing they could so is make 8+ NA worlds 8+ EU worlds set 5 of them for new players only and 3+ for us old players.I don't see how that so hard to do vs what you saying seem like a big waste of time when this is a better and simple fix not everyone want to be stuck in a JP too they allow us to move. When they could easy make a few set worlds being set in NA,EU and allow us old 1.0 chars in it.

I agree the Dev team always answer a question and end up them answering two more question. The Dev team really need to get a straight definite answer before posting something that make no sense.

Something that we know for sure and straight to the point.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

If they don't allow us NA,EU to go to a NA,EU world that going to piss of a lot of players.

A simple thing they could so is make 8+ NA worlds 8+ EU worlds set 5 of them for new players only and 3+ for us old players.I don't see how that so hard to do vs what you saying seem like a big waste of time when this is a better and simple fix not everyone want to be stuck in a JP too they allow us to move. When they could easy make a few set worlds being set in NA,EU and allow us old 1.0 chars in it.

I agree the Dev team always answer a question and end up them answering two more question. The Dev team really need to get a straight definite answer before posting something that make no sense.

Something that we know for sure and straight to the point.

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To be clear, I'm not saying that's what they should do, just saying it's what I think they will do.

The only variable in my post (imo only) is that 1.0 chars may be able to choose from existing worlds at start (if you are Ridill you can log straight in and move to Balmung, etc.). Other than that, I just don't think any of the existing worlds will be changed to non-JP server location, and yes, (IMO) all 1.0 chars will have to initially go to their original world/server. It's just what I believe will happen. I could certainly be wrong. I just want them to tell us! lol

EDIT: In addition, if there will be a bunch of server choice options for old 1.0 chars, I want to know every detail (server names, server regions, if old server names are changing, if so what new server names correspond to old server names) of those choices well in advance so returning 1.0 chars have time to plan accordingly.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

To be clear, I'm not saying that's what they should do, just saying it's what I think they will do.

The only variable in my post (imo only) is that 1.0 chars may be able to choose from existing worlds at start (if you are Ridill you can log straight in and move to Balmung, etc.). Other than that, I just don't think any of the existing worlds will be changed to non-JP server location, and yes, (IMO) all 1.0 chars will have to initially go to their original world/server. It's just what I believe will happen. I could certainly be wrong. I just want them to tell us! lol

EDIT: In addition, if there will be a bunch of server choice options for old 1.0 chars, I want to know every detail (server names, server regions, if old server names are changing, if so what new server names correspond to old server names) of those choices well in advance so returning 1.0 chars have time to plan accordingly.

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ya that what i want to know also but it seem SE can never give a straight answer that make sense. I think what we want to know is if we allow to switch to a NA,EU or JP base world from day 1 if they give us that information. That be more then enough info for now too they tell us more.

There is one more thing that is bugin me with the "transfer or migrate your character later".Its about free company.I guess that those guild or company are gonna work like Linkshell. That means if you move to a new server with your friends, you will have to restart your free company. Im not really sure on how Free company are gonna work, but if there some sort of reward for doing stuff with that guild and the reward are getting better the more quest you do with this company. The idea of merging later instead of at ARR launch might be disapointing us if we are stuck on JP server.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

There one more thing that is bugin me with the "transfer or migrate your character later".Its about free company.I guess that those guild or company are gonna work like Linkshell. That means if you move to a new server with your friends, you will have to restart your free company. Im not really sure on how Free company are gonna work, but if there some sort of reward for doing stuff with that guild and the reward are getting better the more quest you do with this company. The idea of merging later instead of at ARR launch might be disapointing us if we are stuck on JP server.

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forgot about that also now we really do need a answer if we allow to switch to a NA world.

I have a feeling when they finally do announce and share the info with us its going to be like the merge all over again lol

I guess your post is a mess as well Jilly since people are still confused. If you read my carefully maybe you will get what I'm saying. Although I don't mind being stuck in Japan if the servers are new regardless if you are a new or old player. It only makes sense that people would want to move to the region that is closest to them. Now, I can't find where I read that Yoshi had SE make new better servers in order to be done once and for all with the 1.0 servers. My understanding is that the 1.0 servers will no longer be used. When they say "Old player" server they are talking about the player not the machice which is supposed to be new, better and able to handle large numbers of players, up to 1000 in one area. That's what the Alpha test was all about.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I have a feeling when they finally do announce and share the info with us its going to be like the merge all over again lol

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That's what you gonna need if you implement regional datacenter. Can't just tell ppl that are stuck on a datacenter "that's too bad". If they implement that they have todo it smart. If ppl gonna be stuck on a datacenter they not belong to you gonna get massive bad press again.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

There is one more thing that is bugin me with the "transfer or migrate your character later".Its about free company.I guess that those guild or company are gonna work like Linkshell. That means if you move to a new server with your friends, you will have to restart your free company. Im not really sure on how Free company are gonna work, but if there some sort of reward for doing stuff with that guild and the reward are getting better the more quest you do with this company. The idea of merging later instead of at ARR launch might be disapointing us if we are stuck on JP server.

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This to me is why it's important that we can move very soon after the release. If we know we can move after a week we just need to hold off on things like FC for a short while. If there is no date or something like a few months from release then SE will have screwed up big time.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

Yes ragnarock might end-up EU at ARR launch, so that means we, NA, will have to wait if we want to merge somewhere else.and i dont really thinks that there is LOT of NA and JP on Ragna. i think its more like 70% EU 20%NA and 10% JP-AUS. We usely gets bored at NA play time, specially West Cost. Even Uldha was desert around that time.

If Ragnarok is set as EU server for ARR it might be intresting for a new players from europ to join this already based EU community, but i doubt to see new NA players joining Ragnarok.

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I agree and I think that is a huge downside to having regional servers. I'll miss getting up early on Sunday mornings and finding plenty of NA players still up and playing and some JP to keep me company as well.

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Originally Posted by Evangelus

you think ragnarok will become EU server? you think japanese characters on ragnarok will enjoy that?

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I don't think it will be although it would make sense to me since I do believe the majority of the players are from the EU and SE actually promoted it as the EU server during the merge. If they were planning on putting it in Japan then that was really stupid. I realize they probably didn't think ahead to this situation but now that we are in the sitatuion we are, it does make sense.

Personally I think the latency argument is mostly irrelevant and regional servers are therefore a bad idea since it will fragment the player base but the regional servers are here whether I like it or not so just throwing in my 2 euro cents.

well from reading so far i see 3 scenarios in which they have confirmed, but i still have the same 4th scenario that they have yet to confirm/deny.

scenario 1. my existing char is Darkstar Poet that char can not go to servers designated as "new player only servers" even if it's a regional based server.

scenario 2. i make a new char Darkstar Poet1 and then i can choose to go to a new player only server, an existing player server(if there's room), or a regional server.

scenario 3. someone buys the game and starts fresh and has never played the game at all. they can go to a new player only server, existing player server(if there is room), or a regional server.

scenario 4. this is the one people are asking about that keeps going unanswered. using my original char Darkstar Poet, that is an active player, is there going to be any server that is a regional server that i can move that char to or are all of the servers for the old chars going to still be global servers located in japan?

that's all i see people asking about. they want to know if there will be a server that the chars they have been playing with for the last 2 years can move to that will be a regional server. this is the question i would like to have answered so we won't have any surprises right at release and give the game and company another black eye that se cannot afford.

There are at least 2 informations missing at this point for me to get angry at this issue.

- Regional servers? Are they still planned?
People talk about Ragnarok but what about the others. Figure a JP player stuck on a NA server. Latency might not be an issue, but it also can be. The servers aren't stress-tested yet so it's hard to say if latency will be (or not) an issue. Yoshi-P said in a past letter that we should choose a server close to us to avoid any latency. Taking away that choice is certainly a concern for me.

- How long until the Transfer system is implemented?
Because the Grand Companies will not be transferable (just like Linkshells weren't), the Transfer system needs to be in place quickly because the GC will be an important part of the game. Returning players(not just Legacy) not being able to go to new worlds created for the new players is totally acceptable and understandable but let those who wants to move do it as soon as they can.

Until I get answers to those 2 questions, I can't really be mad at SE but, like others, I am pointing out that I am truly concerned by these issues.

Edit: Bayohne's post never answered the question about old players being able to move and only stated that old players won't be able to move to restricted "new players only" servers for a certain amount of time.

Something else found on the French forum about the same question. Thx to masahiro for this.
It have been post in september,

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Currently plans for the future of the server have not yet been finalized. Same thing with regard to the modalities of transfer at the launch for A Realm Reborn.

We expect the beta to determine if many players will return to the game (former players, who already have a character assigned to an existing World). Future decisions will be made ​​based on these figures. It is possible that the Ten Worlds today are no longer sufficient to accommodate all the players, which will influence our future decisions.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I have a feeling when they finally do announce and share the info with us its going to be like the merge all over again lol

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I wasn't around for this, what do you mean/what happened? (so curious!)

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

Something else found on the French forum about the same question. Thx to masahiro for this.
It have been post in september,

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Hello!

Currently plans for the future of the server have not yet been finalized. Same thing with regard to the modalities of transfer at the launch for A Realm Reborn.

We expect the beta to determine if many players will return to the game (former players, who already have a character assigned to an existing World). Future decisions will be made ​​based on these figures. It is possible that the Ten Worlds today are no longer sufficient to accommodate all the players, which will influence our future decisions.

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Ok... it's clearly the best answer were gonna get until then: "Not sure yet"... at least, it answers it for now.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I wasn't around for this, what do you mean/what happened? (so curious!)

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Pretty simple actually...

- There is a heated debate
- SE decides what they do
- One side is angry at the decision... yells and shout...
- One side is happy and post some "stfu go play something else if you don't like it" to all negative comments
- SE changes their mind to accomodate both sides at the last minute
- Most people are confused by the way they are doing it
- Everybody whines about how bad they did the transfer (even though they tried to accomodate everyone)

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I wasn't around for this, what do you mean/what happened? (so curious!)

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let's just say what you would think would be the most logical thing for them to do isn't what always happens.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

here something i read on the french forum.It's not a question about lag but economy. Your server turn EU and your NA, then so sorry your stuck with it.

"Our goal with the implementation of dedicated servers for new players is to create a world where the economy has no history. Therefore, players "Legacy" will not receive an option to transfer their characters "v1" to these servers from the release of FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn.

New players will be able to create new characters on the servers of players "Legacy" to join them. This option will be available as long as the maximum server population will not be reached. Similarly, players "Legacy" will create a new character on dedicated servers to new players.

We are not yet able to confirm what stage during beta your characters will be permanently associated with the servers on which you are. We will share information once the schedule is finalized."

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

The portion you quoted is specifically referring to the fresh "New Player" servers that we plan to introduce and that only fresh starting new characters will be able to join (whether that's a completely new player, or a brand new character of a returning player) and this restriction will be in place for a specific period of time (not yet finalized).

It goes on to say that new players will be able to join existing/established worlds as long as there is room on the world, but that old, returning players cannot move to the brand-new "new player" worlds.

Hopefully that clears it up!

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First, the old servers are gone...while it might be true that servers might in fact carry, the old names, not a single one of us is still on those servers. Those servers effectively 'died' when FFXIV 1.0 did. Therefore, while they might come out and say things such as Ridill=JA veteran characters and Sargantas=NA veteran characters, people who use to be on those servers aren't in fact, locked into those servers.

Instead, based on the french forum post that Mikoto found, it appears that we can only get 'locked' to a server sometime during beta or even at ARR official launch. So for right now, just plan on having a 'server' transfer with your friends and ls's...and DON'T plan on having an automatic spot reserved on the world your character currently resides on...cause seriously, that world was blown up. I saw it.

One of the major cons about being stuck on a JP sever at launch is. Say if the old servers are labeled JP region. We won't be getting many new NA or EU players because they would be more likely to pick the ones labeled NA or EU. However we would get a influx of JP players new people trying out ARR on PS3 and PC as well.

If I want to build a NA linkshell to play the game with I will have very few new people to invite, and I will start to feel like the minority.

One of the main reasons I wouldn't want to be stuck on JP server at launch. Most likly would have an unfavorable experience until the open up transfers to NA servers. At that point they will probably want to charge me $25 to transfer since that's the FFXI transfer cost.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

We expect the beta to determine if many players will return to the game (former players, who already have a character assigned to an existing World). Future decisions will be made ​​based on these figures. It is possible that the Ten Worlds today are no longer sufficient to accommodate all the players, which will influence our future decisions.

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I suspect SE is referring not to the thousands of us per server who played in 2012, but the possibly tens of thousands per server who didn't pay, and maybe stopped playing within months of launch. Their dormant characters were moved with the server merge, too.

According to the roadmap, everyone who played version 1 ("FFXIV service account holders") qualifies to play in beta phase 3. This is also when SE opens up "overseas" (not Japan) "data centers" (servers).

If I can get Altera transferred from Sargatanas to Balmung is pretty much the one thing I would love to know

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Originally Posted by IronSoup

Pretty simple actually...

- There is a heated debate
- SE decides what they do
- One side is angry at the decision... yells and shout...
- One side is happy and post some "stfu go play something else if you don't like it" to all negative comments
- SE changes their mind to accomodate both sides at the last minute
- Most people are confused by the way they are doing it
- Everybody whines about how bad they did the transfer (even though they tried to accomodate everyone)

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So what did they first announce they were going to do, and then what did they end up doing?

Funny, the above could described just about any discussion on these forums. :p

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Originally Posted by ispano

What you quoted answered your question.

The portion you quoted is specifically referring to the fresh "New Player" servers that we plan to introduce and that only fresh starting new characters will be able to join (whether that's a completely new player, or a brand new character of a returning player) and this restriction will be in place for a specific period of time (not yet finalized).

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Derp. Normally I can read, I swear. Idk how I missed that.

Btw, thanks for not going out of your way to say "omg n00b learn to read!" Civility is rare on these forums.

I'm just interested in how much people will rethink the importance of "regional servers" when we hit Beta, because I'm fairly certain the Beta servers are all going to still be in Japan.

Then we will see how much those milleseconds saved seem to matter when we have a decent server to work with in the first place, also sans animation lock.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I'm just interested in how much people will rethink the importance of "regional servers" when we hit Beta, because I'm fairly certain the Beta servers are all going to still be in Japan.

Then we will see how much those milleseconds saved seem to matter when we have a decent server to work with in the first place, also sans animation lock.

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Very true.

edit: nvm, found my answer in an ealier post

They are just making *some* new servers that will be new player only. Legacy members won't be able to join new player only servers with their legacy characters, they would have to create new characters. It's been known for a while and it's no big deal. There will be tons of servers legacy members can join. There will probably only be a few servers that are dedicated for new players only.

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Originally Posted by reefo

They are just making *some* new servers that will be new player only. Legacy members won't be able to join new player only servers with their legacy characters, they would have to create new characters. It's been known for a while and it's no big deal. There will be tons of servers legacy members can join. There will probably only be a few servers that are dedicated for new players only.

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We all know that, once more. We just want to be sure that, among this "tons of servers" we will be able to join, some of them are localized. It's all ! ;-)

But as the OP said, I found a french CM post from september telling us that SE will decide this kind of thing based on beta participation. So, wait&see.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I'm just interested in how much people will rethink the importance of "regional servers" when we hit Beta, because I'm fairly certain the Beta servers are all going to still be in Japan.

Then we will see how much those milleseconds saved seem to matter when we have a decent server to work with in the first place, also sans animation lock.

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beta 3 would have regional servers and i think beta 4 save our char information. So i think SE said maybe at beta 4 w/e you made your char look like and the world you pick you stuck on but i waiting for more information on if we can pick a regional servers or if we stuck in JP only worlds like 1.0 which would suck.

That what most of us want to know.