ARR and Voice over IP

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Originally Posted by FedeMax

SE needs a age to compete with other MMOs, just having the option to do the voice chat without the third party software would be great.

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Quoting myself again, "Screw other MMOs, we're Final Fantasy"

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All of the oh I don't have the software let me install it or I cannot connect what were the settings again? Plus PS3 players would really benefit from it. I bet they will get the voice chat requierd, oh you don't have it? Sorry cannot use you in the party.

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If you having that kinda conversation while farming darklight, might as well get a static that already have one installed. Plus, PS3 players might already have smartphone to accommodate this

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With having regional servers the bandwith is not going to be bad and it does not have to be ready by release but it would be a great improvement in the social and party aspect of the game.

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Says you. Not that I dont trust you, but additional bandwith is still additional bandwith. Not everyone have great connection. and please dont tell me to get myself a better connection

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Actually, it's like saying, "get a smart phone"

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More like go use your logic and get smart(phone)

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Hows Ventrilo or TS on android anyways?? anyone tried it out?

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Work like wonder. I dont have to worry that my shitty PC connection wont make it to the last corner

I vote no.

I still think this is gonna turn away a lot of ps3 players away arguably the dumbest decision they made for ps3 players. Pretty sure once the ps3 players get vocal on the forums they may have to change their mind.

Theres already too many groups that won't deal with you if you don't teamspeak/vent, I vote no.

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Originally Posted by VitoScaletta

Theres already too many groups that won't deal with you if you don't teamspeak/vent, I vote no.

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i wouldn't either, im not about to type 3000 word's just to explain a single stage of a fight. if your really that shy or anti social all you need to do is listen in.

id only vote yes if SE decides to house a separate server for VoIP, otherwise the strain would be too much on the servers.

SOCOM for PS2 has voice chat. The PSP and PSVita also have built-in mics plus include the ability to run Skype (which is replacing MSN). There are various gaming headsets for the PS3 as well. So the PS3 obviously is more than capable at voice chat. Why wouldn't it? There are as many headset's for PS3 as for PC! Take a look yourself.

The *REAL* issue is, not everyone wants to get a headset. Not everyone wants to do what's necessary for it to work properly. And, not everyone speaks fluent English as may have a harder time being understood.

The only time I've found voice chat useful is when it's just me and one or two other people. Even when in a group of 20, I don't need to hear everyone in the group. Just the people in the group I enjoy talking too. For everyone else, I just "text" them instead of ringing them up.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Actually, it's like saying, "get a smart phone"

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I would put it as "Join the 21st century"

It's easy for ps3 players to use voice chat with a smart phone, laptop or desktop mic near them, I have had a chat to someone on skype when they were playing on their ps3 before now.

On topic SE will not add it, they say there are enough 3rd party apps already for us to use (which most people can use on PS3, anyone that says they can't are just complainers.)

No from me.

I usually listen to music when I play games.

Also, I have no desire to know if the whm in my party is a 12 year old kid or a 50 year old man (or woman), the anonymity is one key thing why I like playing games such as FFXIV.

No one should have to use outside means to chat when its something their device can already do. They should just take crafting recipes out of the game and make it a smart phone app only.

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Originally Posted by Firon

No one should have to use outside means to chat when its something their device can already do. They should just take crafting recipes out of the game and make it a smart phone app only.

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Guess what running the game in full screen, that's exactly what we had in 1.xx. If it's really that bad get Sony to let you use the PS3 chatroom in game (it does have one, and you can use a headset)

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Guess what running the game in full screen, that's exactly what we had in 1.xx. If it's really that bad get Sony to let you use the PS3 chatroom in game (it does have one, and you can use a headset)

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And that was a problem and that's being fixed.....

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Originally Posted by Firon

And that was a problem and that's being fixed.....

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But it shows SE likes doing this to us.

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Originally Posted by Lady

A voip that can be used by PS3 players & PC players, yes please.

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I do agree with this, If there was an in game solution both PS3 and PC players could participate in voicechat!
But there may be a limitation with PS3's network if they allow voicechat outside of their network. Which is probably is the main reason that is stopping PC and PS3 players form being in voicechat!

However, I plan on using skype/TEamspeak/Ventrilo/Mumble from an App on my phone to talk to my team if I choose to play on the PS3 so that I stay in communication if necessary. Where there is a will there is always a way!

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

PS3 players are going to need a VOIP method, but the problem is that if you enable VOIP after the game is released and people have found their 3rd party alternatives, it's not likely to do well. There would be no reason to switch from Mumble/Skype/Steam/Vent to in-game VOIP.

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Ooo wait.... You said Steam. You can do voice and play games in Portal 2 with PC players. If FFXIV:ARR had Steam support it could happen.... lol But such a collaboration would be unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Linkurrra

I do agree with this, If there was an in game solution both PS3 and PC players could participate in voicechat!
But there may be a limitation with PS3's network if they allow voicechat outside of their network. Which is probably is the main reason that is stopping PC and PS3 players form being in voicechat!

However, I plan on using skype/TEamspeak/Ventrilo/Mumble from an App on my phone to talk to my team if I choose to play on the PS3 so that I stay in communication if necessary. Where there is a will there is always a way!

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I was reading about it and it appears that even the games that try to implement their own voice chat have issues because of how the PS3 itself is built.. Anyone know of an effective voice chat from a game for the ps3?

It might just be impossible lol. I wonder if there is some way SE could set up the ability for PS3 users to login to Vent/TS/Skype/Mumble but not send anything - perhaps only one direction could make it more feasible..

They'd have to make some weird account service creator at home base to get into those PC apps though, unless there is some API / coworking with each company (I think, I've never networked more then a lan game.. which is nothing pretty much .. lol). Maybe they can create an API to send voice data to ps3 players and let players make their own plugins like for Mumble.

I dont know but I hope they explore at least the bare minimum - listening to other players.

I'd hate to see PS3 players not get into parties because they cant listen to the raid leader (in my experience "listen or gtfo" happens frequently (sometimes "mic")).

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Originally Posted by Linkurrra

Ooo wait.... You said Steam. You can do voice and play games in Portal 2 with PC players. If FFXIV:ARR had Steam support it could happen.... lol But such a collaboration would be unlikely.

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:O - Is it good quality? If SE could get the game to grab and send data to one of the 3d party applications available to PC users that could be a good compromise.. "Have it if you need it, otherwise its invisible".

Even if they did put an official voice chat in the game wouldn't it end up being ignored?

Blizzard put in official voice chat for WoW and guess what nobody uses it because Vent/Mumble/TS/Skype offer better quality, and people prefer their 3rd party VoIP programs to one that's provided in game. People in a guild rather pay for their own vent or mumble server then use the in game voice chat.

Yes just what I want...listening to idiots scream into the mic...

Would spend more time muting players than actually playing

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Even if they did put an official voice chat in the game wouldn't it end up being ignored?

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Maybe... If it was for PS3 players then they would be forced to use an in-game voice chat feature.

If Square Enix is really going to build one then maybe 70%-90% of the player-base would ignore me or kick me out of their party for not using a mic. It's just happened to me a million times in Xbox Live (I look at you Left 4 Dead 2...)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Even if they did put an official voice chat in the game wouldn't it end up being ignored?

Blizzard put in official voice chat for WoW and guess what nobody uses it because Vent/Mumble/TS/Skype offer better quality, and people prefer their 3rd party VoIP programs to one that's provided in game. People in a guild rather pay for their own vent or mumble server then use the in game voice chat.

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Everyone who plays wow is on pc of course they don't need it this is about ps3 players.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Maybe... If it was for PS3 players then they would be forced to use an in-game voice chat feature.

If Square Enix is really going to build one then maybe 70%-90% of the player-base would ignore me or kick me out of their party for not using a mic. It's just happened to me a million times in Xbox Live (I look at you Left 4 Dead 2...)

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Well, to me, this is about getting less people ignored. Its unfortunate that even if given the option you couldn't do anything about it.. If you've got any ideas for functionality you should recommend it (probably in another thread since they wouldn't relate XD). Like those markers (tagging) should be helpful right? With addons coming you may find some special UI features as well.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Well, to me, this is about getting less people ignored. Its unfortunate that even if given the option you couldn't do anything about it.. If you've got any ideas for functionality you should recommend it (probably in another thread since they wouldn't relate XD). Like those markers (tagging) should be helpful right? With addons coming you may find some special UI features as well.

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I will think about it in beta, however, it would kill the community for me even 8 party members probably I am only the one who without a mic and see this party being silent for me. I have had to use my brain to figure out what's going on. :(

Join an exp party and then a leader would ask "anyone wanna voice chat? join me!" then I don't even know what to say but let them ignore me and enjoy myself instead hoping they don't kick me out for being an anti-social person. :p

Nevertheless, I am still getting feedbacks from my friends though.

I don't see a issue like i said before FFXI people on PS2 play with other endgame ls without issue every endgame ls i was in the early days did not use vent,ts and such and they was no phone that even allow to use it so people just keep on playing and working together.

If it a matter of people being lazy and don't want to explain things then there always one person in the LS would be happy to explain things in /ls to everyone who can't listen in. I know many ls who have ts,mumble,vent and they don't even talk much they still type and do get things done without issue.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Everyone who plays wow is on pc of course they don't need it this is about ps3 players.

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If you have internet in your house for your PS3, you're likely to have a smartphone, laptop, mac or PC in it in this day and age.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If you have internet in your house for your PS3, you're likely to have a smartphone, laptop, mac or PC in it in this day and age.

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Still doesn't mean people wanna play while having their phone next tot hem or the laptop all the time. This is the main reason why a lot of console players hate pc players for saying stupid stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Maybe... If it was for PS3 players then they would be forced to use an in-game voice chat feature.

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Only the one ps3 players who have no smartphone.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Only the one ps3 players who have no smartphone.

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That's not worth for the dev team to build one and later to improve it to make it better while third-party programs are still improving.

Well, that's their loss.

Again, if you wish to continue discussing about VoIP then I don't have anymore information about it as Yoshi-P already stated that they will not make one and suggested you to use a third-party one.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Still doesn't mean people wanna play while having their phone next tot hem or the laptop all the time. This is the main reason why a lot of console players hate pc players for saying stupid stuff like this.

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You don't want your phone next to you? really so when someone text or call you going to walk to the room or w/e area you have to phone to pick it up?

Sorry but everyone who have a smart phone they don't leave it laying around the house and forget about it so having the smart phone next to use while listing into mumble,vent or ts is not that bad and you can even talk and it sound great i try it. So i not sure where you going with the smart phone thing because everyone keep it near them.

So people want the PS3 (which is already being pushed to its limits with this game, hence a lower than 720 res, lower quality textures etc) to run VOIP too?

You guys are funny.

ppl need to stop forcing others to VoIP, if they dont want it they dont want it.

There is plenty of ways to gain access to VoIP, if they do not want it, then don't pressure them. Slowly ask them nicely and keep ask them nicely. Im sure they will warm up to it.

Instead of blantly go around forcing throat down and shit.

I prefer they not put a built-in voip into the game too if it is going to cause bandwith issues. The rest of the cons of voice chat also outweigh the pros as said by yoshida and other players.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Still doesn't mean people wanna play while having their phone next tot hem or the laptop all the time. This is the main reason why a lot of console players hate pc players for saying stupid stuff like this.

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Ah yeah..these forums common sense = stupid..I forgot.

I'm sorry, but unless there's very special circumstances, this is not a problem. If you're asked to or required to use VoIP by your shell, the point is:

There's numerous options available to the common consumer of 2013 that there's no excuse to not use it. The main reason people hate PC gamers is because they lord over console gamers for having the "better games" and constantly mocking them for wanting to play PC games the way they'll be comfortable with (a controller.) So I suggest you leave your passive aggressive attitude elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

ppl need to stop forcing others to VoIP, if they dont want it they dont want it.

There is plenty of ways to gain access to VoIP, if they do not want it, then don't pressure them. Slowly ask them nicely and keep ask them nicely. Im sure they will warm up to it.

Instead of blantly go around forcing throat down and shit.

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I hope you avoid end-game then, because that's the only time people force anything on anyone.

I think it would be a cool option so I would vote yes but I dont think it will happen b/c of having to put additional money in to monitor the voip and most people are using a voip already.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I was reading about it and it appears that even the games that try to implement their own voice chat have issues because of how the PS3 itself is built.. Anyone know of an effective voice chat from a game for the ps3?

It might just be impossible lol. I wonder if there is some way SE could set up the ability for PS3 users to login to Vent/TS/Skype/Mumble but not send anything - perhaps only one direction could make it more feasible..

They'd have to make some weird account service creator at home base to get into those PC apps though, unless there is some API / coworking with each company (I think, I've never networked more then a lan game.. which is nothing pretty much .. lol). Maybe they can create an API to send voice data to ps3 players and let players make their own plugins like for Mumble.

I dont know but I hope they explore at least the bare minimum - listening to other players.

I'd hate to see PS3 players not get into parties because they cant listen to the raid leader (in my experience "listen or gtfo" happens frequently (sometimes "mic")).




:O - Is it good quality? If SE could get the game to grab and send data to one of the 3d party applications available to PC users that could be a good compromise.. "Have it if you need it, otherwise its invisible".

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The quality is OK. but not great. The best experience I have had is in Ventrilo and Teamspeak comes a close second. There is a new one I tried a year ago called C3. http://www.downloadc3.com/communicate/ It was unique because you could link copy a web link and past it in chat for people to join and download the web client automatically. They would literally be in your chat room in less that 30 seconds after clicking the link!

Either way there is not an all around elegant solution for in game voicechat with console players. The companies network always causes issues. They close their ports for security, but ports have to be opened up to do voicechat. PSN will do it for their built in one, but that doesn't do any good for PC players.

I am concerned making this would deviate time from others things they could be working on.
Voice can get tricky sometimes and end up causing, just as many problems as solving.
I don't mind using a 3rd parry app.
Would be nice for simplicities sake though.

Nobody is "forcing" anyone to do anything but don't expect people to try to type to you, during primals or anything serious..
That is going to cause you a lot of problems getting into end game, if you won't want to use voice.
For obvious reasons. People who refuse to talk, generally end up being the weakest link.
And we all know what happens to the weakest link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI6gZxLnwdw