TESO the biggest rival for ARR?

I don't think the general Elder scrolls player is going to be happy with a MMO version of their game. TES was about making the world yours. Kill a NPC they are dead in your world. Drop an item you can come back and pick it up 6 months later. Did you play the villian and murder an entire villiage while they slept? Or did you route the bandits that were ambushing travelers along the road.

How does that translate into an online game? Will your actions effect your world? What about other peoples actions?

This is the soul of The Elder Scrolls series. It's something that doesn't translate to a persistant online muliplayer game very well, if at all.

TES online will be hyped to no end. But I don't think it will be what people ultimately expect from the game.

That and when was the last time bethesda released a game without major bugs? The MMO community is ruthless when it comes to buggy software. the big B will be luck if they can have a stable client and server software ready for launch.

That being said. I don't think there is grounds for a "fight" between these two games. They will both survive even if launched on teh same day. If anything XIV will have a leg up by having a PS3 release, which opens the door to non PC gamers which there are a mega tonne of.

While I, too, am concerned for western attention, I'd like to once more remind everyone that XIV is probably getting much more attention in Japan. It seems almost routine for major Japanese developers to translate games to English and French/German, but not the other way around. On the flip side, most Japanese speak English as a second language. I'm told it's similar to Spanish in the US in terms of common use.

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Everything is competition to ARR as you have to remember, FFXIV has failed once before and it's still a public image that even SE admits. All MMOs do well their first few months, sometimes first year, however lately pretty much every MMO dies out or has to be heavily reformatted due to "rivals" getting something better and pulling interest. ARR will do fine in Japan and with a niche audience, since in terms of "sub numbers", FFXI held on for almost 11 years being "niche" and it was still the most profitable title for SE. So ARR will fail in the sense people love to bring up (needs millions of sub to be considered successful) while TESO will definitely grab the western audience no problem, as people still herald Skyrim as "the best RPG ever" despite it's buggier than an apt in the ghetto.

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Originally Posted by indira

TESO is not being made by Bethesda usual but another division so its gonna be a hit or miss.

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Let's face it..they do ok with their games but this is the wisest decision that could have been done. We all know the TES games could be much much better than they were and not needing player modifications to really get the most out of them.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

you just want to see chicks almost naked

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Naked chicks? Where do I sign up? lol.. j/k
FF is FF. Nothing will ever take that spotlight.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

I don't think the general Elder scrolls player is going to be happy with a MMO version of their game. TES was about making the world yours.

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Actually, this is why TESO is being made, because people shown a ton of interest in wanting to play with others in an MMO setting which will allow them to continually expand the world outside of simple DLC which is limited by the initial game design. While it goes against the "open endedness" like that, most people care far more for the fact it's an RPG with tons of story and mythos laid in it. So you can be "good or evil", people mostly liked it for the open route, not so much that specific feature of good or evil.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

I don't think the general Elder scrolls player is going to be happy with a MMO version of their game.

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FFXI? Is that you?

I heard a lot about TESO.. Most of it was "it's more beta than game and more of an idea, than an actual implementation"
Was just modders who decided to put it online at first. It went official now?
Has potential I suppose but imo skyrim has the same shortcomings as elder scrolls.. Monotony..
Go here talk to this guy, go there "all the way across the map" talk to that guy..
I think i made it half way through elderscrolls and the same for skyrim. Haven't touched them since..
FF has the same shortcomings unfortunatley sometimes..lol..

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Originally Posted by RudyFails

FFXI? Is that you?

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Yep, despite people (mostly out west) saying FF going online is a bad idea..where would SE be if that game didn't fund pretty much most projects they've done? They have investors but if investors seen unwillingless for SE to follow through, they'd have pull out quite quickly. Even though the typical MMO gamer is jaded as hell, series moving online works as long as the developer follows through.

Same with Warcraft going into WoW, last one was an RTS, not even a real storyline thrown into it, the typical RTS fare.

EU/NA it prolly gonna happen that TESO will perform better then ARR. FFXIV has such a bad image which can't be erased with the release of ARR. It will take time and FF online game was never that popular in NA/EU like others.

It will mostly affect ppl that aren't fans of Final Fantasy or TES, and prolly Elder Scrolls will take more of them. Reason is the bad reputation FFXIV still has.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

EU/NA it prolly gonna happen that TESO will perform better then ARR. FFXIV has such a bad image which can't be erased with the release of ARR. It will take time and FF online game was never that popular in NA/EU like others.

It will mostly affect ppl that aren't fans of Final Fantasy or TES, and prolly Elder Scrolls will take more of them. Reason is the bad reputation FFXIV still has.

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I seriously doubt that.. FF has the fan base that will hang in there. TESO is just a mod.
It's a mod that is almost certainly going to be buggy as hell.
When it first started it was only that.. modders..
Pretty much everything that modders make, turn out buggy.
I expect TESO to utterly fail.
Not that I want it too. I just expect it too because I knew about it when it was first being made and it was just all kinds of problems..

oh no someone posted a thread about a WRPG in a JRPG forum.... RUN!!!!!

might quit FFXIV:ARR if the games turn boring and on track game like WoW for TESO. IM a huge fan of TES, series since Morrowind, so yeah for me TESO might kill FFXIV. Yoshi better make sure ARR can keep my interest cause its wont be a name or a studio that will make me play this or that but the fun play.

Idk why TESO is even getting this much attention. Like I said.. It was just a mod made by a modding community..
This is like Day-z / The war-z all over again. I said it would flop and it did.. Why? Because modders made it and they don't know nearly as much as they'd like to think they know.. TESO is a mod. It will almost certainly fall flat on it's face..
I can almost guarantee it..
I've been following it since it started being talked about and it has been nothing but trouble..

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

I don't like the world, I don't like the combat, and it's all so... western?

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wow, I have never read anything so weeaboo in my life

no offense of course

TESO is probably WoW rival..as it stands now lol. FFXIV ARR has yet to make a name for itself...and unless SE starts advertising properly..which it might but if they don't...I don't think it will be as big as TESO. There's lots of TESO fans...and they know how to market. Personally I am not a TESO fan.

Once ARR is out though...we'll see right? You never know! Just my two cents.

Well i figure TESO will suffer some of the same problems as SWTOR did. There's never, to my knowledge, been a multiplayer elder scrolls game and IV and V at least focused on tons of quests. The story was never really that great either compared to the world and level of detail. I figure all the Elder Scroll fanboys will try out TESO, but since they have always been single player games i don't know how many people will want to stick around for long. I'm not worrying about it.

I'm making sure I keep up to date on TESO, ArcheAge (I love sandbox mmorpgs), Blade and Soul could be awesome.. but the fact that all the females are just bouncing cleavage disappoints me. I really do prefer realistic armour over bras and g-strings.

- Seeing all this #$@% talking about TESO being a 'WoW clone'.. it's hilarious to see so many people get their information so wrong. Pretty sure if you've watched any of the TESO videos you will know that the game is far from being a SWTOR repeat.

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Originally Posted by Solace

Idk why TESO is even getting this much attention. Like I said.. It was just a mod made by a modding community..
This is like Day-z / The war-z all over again. I said it would flop and it did.. Why? Because modders made it and they don't know nearly as much as they'd like to think they know.. TESO is a mod. It will almost certainly fall flat on it's face..
I can almost guarantee it..
I've been following it since it started being talked about and it has been nothing but trouble..

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I get the feeling you haven't been following anything at all given what you said.

Its a shame that TESO isn't out right now for the devs to study. The game itself is pretty big experiment. I am in love with a lot of the Ideas, specially the Mega-server.

Western Devs seem to love parading around their new ideas and concepts and have, Sometimes glossing over the important things like class balance, character building, and stuff that would actually keep people engaged for months at a time. Its easy to forget that FFXIV has some really unique features from mmo's at large that SE just forgets to mention or don't get address in interviews. The armory system is pretty damn unique but SE doesnt go making videos like "we have an amazing amoury system that lets you change jobs and use cross class abilities!". It's hilarious to me when a lot of the features new games parade around have been around for years in FFXI and other games.

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Originally Posted by Xeonerable

I get the feeling you haven't been following anything at all given what you said.

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True what you said - the videos on Youtube are kinda impressive - doesn't look like a mod to me.

Dont think a game like TESO can be a rival for ARR since action mmorpg have been failing alot, one big example is Tera the game started has a P2P title and its now a F2P game, players dont really enjoy much action mmorpgs becouse the game gets boring you can almost fight mobs without getting hit, for me i prefer to get my ass kicked a bunch of times and see that i receive dmg from the mobs then dodging them and do the hit and run thing aka Kite.

Last I checked TESO wasn't going to release on console. I'm a pretty big TES fan, but I've only ever played on console and never really bothered with the PC mods. As I imagine the vast majority of TES fans are from console, I'm actually not convinced that it will be such a huge success. I will probably try it, and if it has excellent controller support I may stick around, but my guess is that alot of the fanbase won't even bother unless it releases on a console. The MMO flavor of the monthers will support it at launch, before seeing it potentially crash and burn.

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Originally Posted by Xeonerable

I get the feeling you haven't been following anything at all given what you said.

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Originally Posted by Ticks

True what you said - the videos on Youtube are kinda impressive - doesn't look like a mod to me.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abs_yGod5MQ
Known about this for years..
I can understand you saying that.
I have however truthfully know about this for a long time. I stayed away from it because the community was well aware of how buggy it was.

I'm not sure how it's going to end up. But I know how it started.
I'll stop peeing in your cherrios now. I can tell people are getting annoyed..lol

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Originally Posted by Solace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abs_yGod5MQ
Known about this for years..
I can understand you saying that.
I have however truthfully know about this for a long time. I stayed away from it because the community was well aware of how buggy it was.

I'm not sure how it's going to end up. But I know how it started.
I'll stop peeing in your cherrios now. I can tell people are getting annoyed..lol

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purposely acting misinformed? ... how original

I plan on signing up for the beta for TESO and want to see what it has to offer. But so far from what I've seen of it, it has the same feel as GW2. Semi realistic with a hint of cartoon in it...not my cup of tea. If the game doesn't look good I have a hard time playing it (Mainly when it comes to the graphics of the avatars). And i'm sure this isn't a problem fro most people, but it is to me fo sho.

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Originally Posted by Xeonerable

purposely acting misinformed? ... how original

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Not sure how that is misinformed.
I showed you a video that is years old, about this game being made..
I also talked to people on the actual forums for this game, when it was being made.
I almost tried it..
Idk why you are taking it so personally.
I am just going to step out of this topic now.
I wish the game the best..

If they haven't butchered and bastardized TES'es underlying lore they yeah FFXIV:ARR is going to have one hell of a time convincing me to stay on.

Though this is my mmo of choice if TESO gets to play around with tesnexus still, I hope it brings a new generation of player made dats to mmos, so much fun!

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Originally Posted by Firon

TES is one series I never liked simply cause of the bland combat and that game being horrendous unless you are playing in First person and even that does not help. The open world and quest were nice but if a game has bad combat i just can't stomach it, it's something you do 90% of the time in rpg's and in my book it should never be bad.

So with that said the single player games made me never wanna touch another TES game even if it is an MMO.

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Pretty much sums it up, well done.

Aye, in oblivion it was fun interacting with the NPCs and such and doing quests, but the fighting itself is really bland. It's fun to play now and then, the world feels relatively lifelike which is cool- but it just gets boring fairly quickly.

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Originally Posted by Criticaldany

Don't think a game like TESO can be a rival for ARR since action mmorpg have been failing a lot, one big example is Tera the game started has a P2P title and its now a F2P game, players dont really enjoy much action mmorpgs because the game gets boring you can almost fight mobs without getting hit, for me i prefer to get my ass kicked a bunch of times and see that i receive dmg from the mobs then dodging them and do the hit and run thing aka Kite.

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MMO's in general have been failing a lot.

Bet TESO does SSM marriage too, hehe. Need some serious dats to make anyone attractive enough though ><

considering ES Skyrim blew me away and was the first RPG i enjoyed as much as a Final Fantasy title, i'm definitely going to test it.

the gameplay footage so far from TESO was not bad imo.

@solace
Comparing TESO with a mod is just dumb and just show you don't know anything about the game, but didn't expect anything else from somebody that can't even read a roadmap or his own posts correctly.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

but it just gets boring fairly quickly.

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Welcome to pretty much every MMO that has been released lately.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

@solace
Comparing TESO with a mod is just dumb and just show you don't know anything about the game, but didn't expect anything else from somebody that can't even read a roadmap or his own posts correctly.

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And what should be expected from a troll, who's post only purpose was to insult?
I'm sorry but my time is used learning new software like autocad, to design subdivisions, not navigate forums..
They don't pay my bills..
I'm sure though if people like you support the game, it will do great.......

If you looked at the game, you'd see the gameplay is pretty much EXACTLY like playing Oblivion by yourself.. Same click and bash, same block, same sneak.. Looks like a lot of the same single player stuff, that got boring fast..
The lore may be rich and the scenery beautiful.
But you are going to end up spamming your attack button over and over again. You are going to find cheesy ways to beat creatures, due to glitches with the scenery. "Like climbing on rocks, to kill powerful mobs, who can't reach you"

It looks like they finally decided to start taking the mod seriously and put it into the hands of the devs though. That much is apparent. So credit for that.

I am sorry you are so butt hurt over a game but such is life.
I expect it to be pretty much the same as Oblivion, as if I was playing alone.
Pvp might be fun but for how long?

A long term contender against FFXIV ARR? I doubt it..
I have a feeling it will be rich in lore but shallow in battle..
Bash the attack button...Rinse and repeat, just like all other oblivion games.
That or people will become way too powerful, just like all other oblivion games.
making it too easy and not fun, too fast.

Likely end up with no dedicated roles either from the sound of it..
So a bunch of people screaming "You better heal yourself" could be fun.

But God forbid you say anything bad (or truthful) against TESO. The fanboys have spoken..
I am stepping away now..

i honestly was excited for it till i found out Bethesda wasnt touching it, then all the hype was gone for me.

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Bet TESO does SSM marriage too, hehe. Need some serious dats to make anyone attractive enough though ><

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*thats a face only a mother could love* that's what i say about TES chars.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

i honestly was excited for it till i found out Bethesda wasnt touching it, then all the hype was gone for me.

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This made me excited for it actually. I've yet to see any other company produce an RPG with as much bugs and glitches as bethesda does..it's to the point you can't play their games without mods. You can but let's be honest lol.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This made me excited for it actually. I've yet to see any other company produce an RPG with as much bugs and glitches as bethesda does..it's to the point you can't play their games without mods. You can but let's be honest lol.

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to be honest i could look past it. Cause if i couldnt i would never have gave 14 another chance with the huge lag issue and bugs when they had them. And you cant really deny that Oblivion and Skyrim arent awesome games or Fallout 3