Devs: Announcing Legacy status = Beta NDA breech?

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

Edit: This is the wording from the road map: "All Legacy status holders qualify as testers in phase 1."

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Yep, they qualify, hence "eligible", not they are 100% in the beta. Don't see why legacy players are getting hate now ever since they announced that they're only eligible to enter.

Rule of thumb when it comes to NDA: If it's been publicly revealed by said company, NDA doesn't cover that.

Since it's been revealed that legacy players will be in the Beta, it is safe to say that you are a legacy player in the Beta.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Since it's been revealed that legacy players will be in the Beta, it is safe to say that you are a legacy player in the Beta.

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You can say that, however it doesn't make it true. I have legacy status on my account. What if I don't want to test the beta because I don't like spoilers, don't want to repeat the content, or don't want to deal with bugs. Does this still mean I'm a legacy player in the beta?

It's a known fact that legacy players have a better chance of getting beta access, and many of us with the status probably told all our friends about it months ago. You just can't share info about the actual came itself until the devs decide the time is right to lift the NDA.

Here's a thought to add to the confusion if you follow the strict rules.

Saying you will be a beta tester and saying you are a beta tester is two different things. Since there is no beta test yet and no agreement you can sign then if you right now say your a beta tester you are actually lying. Saying you will be a beta tester is not breaking the agreement since you haven't signed it. Also it doesn't mean you will be a beta tester. You could change your mind or some forum moderator plays a sick joke revoking your beta access. :eek:

Once you read the agreement if it says the identity of the tester is confidential information and confidential information must be kept confidential then you can't tell anyone outside of the beta test you're a beta tester once you sign the agreement. You can post it on the beta test forums, but then that would be a little silly. New beta tester: I'm a beta tester! Other beta testers: No !@#$, we all are! :p

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I like to see the source for information #1, because the alpha tester agreement says otherwise. Beta tester agreement isn't out yet.

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SE themselves said you could do this during the alpha. Generally, it is allowed such that you can put it on a resume and/or not have to tell a lie if someone talks to you and asks what you're doing. The agreement states you're not supposed to disclose any confidential information about the product. It doesn't explicitly state you can't acknowledge your participation. SE is not going to ban you for saying "I'm in the beta." They will however probably ban you if you say "In the beta you can do this and we're testing that and yada yada and oh here's a video of it."

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

SE themselves said you could do this during the alpha. Generally, it is allowed such that you can put it on a resume and/or not have to tell a lie if someone talks to you and asks what you're doing. The agreement states you're not supposed to disclose any confidential information about the product. It doesn't explicitly state you can't acknowledge your participation. SE is not going to ban you for saying "I'm in the beta." They will however probably ban you if you say "In the beta you can do this and we're testing that and yada yada and oh here's a video of it."

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Please someone give me a link to where SE says you can say you're an alpha tester!!! I searched an could not find this.

The agreement explicitly says you can't say you're an alpha tester. I link and highlighted the agreement a few pages back.

here it is again:

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

Alpha Tester’s Confidentiality Obligations
“Confidential Information” shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Alpha Tester by Company in connection with the Alpha Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Alpha Testing, AND RECIPIENT’S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Alpha Tester, or by any other Alpha Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF ALPHA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT ALPHA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE ALPHA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Alpha Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Alpha Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Alpha Tester’s participation in the Alpha Test.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...a=1&tag=tester

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I agree that I doubt you will get banned just for saying you're an alpha tester.

When it comes to NDA breeches, all SEs resources will be going into preventing websites and people posting info that they shouldn't be. They won't have the time to look into minor NDA breeches that aren't going to harm the game like revealing you are a tester. It's the same attitude police take to crime. They have to prioritise the most serious ones.

zomg i'll be in beta p1, prz don' ban me!

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

zomg i'll be in beta p1, prz don' ban me!

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http://www.threadbombing.com/data/me...rma_banned.gif

Being a tester agreement nazi, I would ban them both with extreme prejudice. They are too young.

"ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER MAY BECOME ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ALPHA TEST BY ACCEPTING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT BY SELECTING THE “ACCEPT” BUTTON. BY SELECTING THE “ACCEPT” BUTTON, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ, UNDERSTOOD, AND ACCEPTED THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT."

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Originally Posted by Atamos

You can say you are Legacy without any problem, don't worry.

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I will also state that even if you are in the Beta as a Legacy Member, I think there is no issue with saying it. You are not even telling other non-Legacy or Beta users any info about the game and you are not discussing anything about playing the game and its content. So I think we'd be okay.

BTW, that Nael van Darnus video you made is so kick-ass. I downloaded it from YouTube as 1080p and I have it on my iPhone 5 so I can watch it anytime I want to :)

I feel like I gets more dumber every time i visits dis forums.

its pretty ridiculous the way ppl are talking in this thread. Even if the beta NDA prohibits you from saying you're in it-

1) you don't have to be a legacy member to get into the beta, so not all beta testers will be legacy members
2) just because you're a legacy member, that doesn't automatically mean you participated, therefore, stating you are a legacy member != stating you are in the beta- because you might be choosing not to participate in it (Some people may not want to, they may want to be suprised).
3) Even if it was, the most that would happen to you in all probability is a slap on the wrist.